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Old 05-28-2010, 02:32 AM   #41
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:53 AM   #42
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:14 AM   #43
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Danielson will inevitably be lost in the midcard shuffle for a time.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:19 AM   #44
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Danielson will inevitably be lost in the midcard shuffle for a time.
I don't think so actually.

It's in Vince's best interest to begin focusing a lot more on smaller, more athletic wrestlers who are less likely to abuse drugs and violate the wellness policy.

CM Punk, Bryan Danielson and Evan Bourne (current WWE jobber) are the kinds of wrestlers Vince could invest in without having to worry about them becoming a PR issue like Benoit.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:37 AM   #45
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:41 AM   #46
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:16 PM   #47
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I don't think so actually.

It's in Vince's best interest to begin focusing a lot more on smaller, more athletic wrestlers who are less likely to abuse drugs and violate the wellness policy.

CM Punk, Bryan Danielson and Evan Bourne (current WWE jobber) are the kinds of wrestlers Vince could invest in without having to worry about them becoming a PR issue like Benoit.
I agree with you, but I'll believe it when I see it. Vince's track record in this area isn't very good, and it's only recently(2-3 years) that guys like Punk and Jeff Hardy were elevated to legitimate main event status. I also believe that Vince essentially had no choice but to push those two performers due to fan reaction, much the same way he really to didn't have a choice to bring back Matt Hardy.

Until proven otherwise, I'm assuming Danielson has the deck stacked against him.
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:24 PM   #48
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Vince had plenty choice with Punk. The guy pretends to be Straight Edge, something which is insanely in step with them trying to market the Wellness Policy. Why would Vince want to not do that?

Next thing you'll tell me is that Vince was forced to push Cena.
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:42 PM   #49
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Vince had plenty choice with Punk. The guy pretends to be Straight Edge, something which is insanely in step with them trying to market the Wellness Policy. Why would Vince want to not do that?

Next thing you'll tell me is that Vince was forced to push Cena.
I thought Punk was just simply using a gimmick based on his real life persona? Could have sworn the Straight-Edge gimmick was his idea.
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #50
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I thought Punk was just simply using a gimmick based on his real life persona? Could have sworn the Straight-Edge gimmick was his idea.
I didn't say he didn't come up with it. I just said he pretended to be it.
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:49 PM   #51
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More to the point, the idea that Vince felt forced by the fans to push a guy who would be an obvious posterchild for that which he was seeking to portray is utterly ridiculous.

Except he looks like he lives a harder life than Richards and Jagger, but....
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:50 PM   #52
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:54 PM   #53
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I didn't say he didn't come up with it. I just said he pretended to be it.
Ah, ok. I misunderstood then KK. Way to keep on point.
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I'll take one more crack at this though KK. Vince "didn't have a choice" was a poor choice of words on my part. I don't think Punk was getting pushed only because he was "straight-edge", though that was obviously something working in his favor based on the new wellness policy. Punk was sort of an "anomaly" in that he was great on the mic, great in the ring, got fan reaction AND had a unique gimmick that set him apart from other performers. It was a perfect storm that took him right to the top.

Danielson has maybe two of those things. He's admitted on numerous occasions that his look is bland and that he isn't exactly charismatic. His ring skills have gotten his foot in the door, but it's hard for me to believe he'll get pushed to the top just because he's part of this "new wave" of non drug using wrestlers that are in Vince's "best interest" to push.
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Old 05-28-2010, 06:24 PM   #55
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I'll take one more crack at this though KK. Vince "didn't have a choice" was a poor choice of words on my part. I don't think Punk was getting pushed only because he was "straight-edge", though that was obviously something working in his favor based on the new wellness policy. Punk was sort of an "anomaly" in that he was great on the mic, great in the ring, got fan reaction AND had a unique gimmick that set him apart from other performers. It was a perfect storm that took him right to the top.

Danielson has maybe two of those things. He's admitted on numerous occasions that his look is bland and that he isn't exactly charismatic. His ring skills have gotten his foot in the door, but it's hard for me to believe he'll get pushed to the top just because he's part of this "new wave" of non drug using wrestlers that are in Vince's "best interest" to push.
Your other examples are Jeff Hardy, who Vince has always been high on (pardon the pun) and Matt Hardy, who he returned and proceeded to bury.

While Danielson is not likely to get the same kind of push, Punk was not an anomaly in any real sense of the word. Nor was Jeff. And Matt? Well, that should demonstrate how Vince handles being "forced." You know, by giving a hearty "screw you" to the people who were chanting for Matt.

One might as well runwith John Cena, Rey Mysterio, or Sheamus.

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Vince had plenty choice with Punk. The guy pretends to be Straight Edge, something which is insanely in step with them trying to market the Wellness Policy. Why would Vince want to not do that?

Next thing you'll tell me is that Vince was forced to push Cena.
I guess I kind of assumed he was really straight-edge. :/

Why do you suspect him of pretending?
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CM Punk was sort of made by Jeff Hardy and his fuck-ups. It seemed like Jeff was the natural choice to win Money in the Bank at WrestleMania XXIV, but when he got suspended, the next logical choice was CM Punk. Chris Jericho could have won, but had just been given the IC Title and was not as over as he could have been. Carlito was thrown into the match so randomly. John Morrison was a tag team guy at that point in time. Shelton Benjamin was Shelton Benjamin. Mr. Kennedy had won it the previous year, but didn't really have too much momentum behind him at that point in time. MVP could have won, but it made just as much sense for Matt Hardy to cost him the match and continue their feud over the United States Title.

So Punk was the defacto winner there, and it made sense for him to cash in and win the big one. From there he pretty much perpetuated as a mid-carder who had a good fan following, allowing him to build up his resume with random title wins. He was also the logical choice for Money in the Bank again the next year. He was in a better position than pretty much everyone, and Christian wasn't going to win because he had just returned to the company. Punk pretty much ghosted to two World Heavyweight Title reigns, and when the fans didn't like him winning it from Jeff Hardy, they ran with the momentum and used the wet-dream heel Punk, and he's been chugging along since then.

Punk being straight-edge helped out, especially with suspensions being the hot topic when Jeff Hardy was bumped as tentative winner in 2008. But so was being good in the ring, a good promo and having a good fan reaction. Punk just sort of naturally rose.

I think Daniel Bryan will do the same thing. He's great in the ring, can talk when he needs to, and this NXT has gotten him quite over. Making The Miz tap-out will be the first step. Then it's onto Chris Jericho, I think. Jericho and Bryan have interacted before, and there's that current Miz-Jericho connection. I think Bryan will take off as a face by this point. Then it'll be some random matches against heels, before he gets involved in the themed stuff for Bragging Rights and such. Also, when SmackDown! changes networks in October or whenever, I could see them moving Daniel Bryan to SmackDown! to hopefully continue his development there.
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