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Vintage Championship Wrestling |
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6 | 33.33% |
Lethal Action Wrestling |
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2 | 11.11% |
Dead Wrong Wrestling |
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4 | 22.22% |
This Is Wrestling |
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1 | 5.56% |
Superb Championship Wrestling |
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5 | 27.78% |
Voters: 18. You must log in or register to vote on this poll. |
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#41 |
Cranky Kong
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Judges, give me your OFFICIAL rankings, one through five, in the social group. However, feel free to discuss why you voted the way you did in this thread. Anybody else who voted in the public poll can discuss why they voted the way they did in this thread too.
As far as autoplay, I don't think there's anything that I personally can do about that. I'm going to reiterate again, this is the DEBUT season, and there are definitely some bugs to be worked out (free agents, secret rosters, etc.)...I'm sorry everything isn't perfect. As the seasons progress, the problems will be addressed and hopefully fixed in a way that everyone can be content with. In the mean time, let's just have some fun, k? |
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Skibbidy Lock Jaw
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Lock Jaw's Fantastic Reviews
Greetings to you, the bookers! Welcome to the first review from Judge Lock Jaw! Five shows, each with their own merits! But how do they stack against each other when going head to head? For the purposes of judging, I will be placing each show side by side, as if they were on at the same time. I will be giving out points. 3 for what the causal fan would watch (assuming they have no brand loyalty and are just switching between all shows like me), 2 for what I would watch, and 1 for what I would first watch on youtube the next day. I'll also give a bonus .5 points for one of the other feds, just because I can. So, without further ado... (under spoilers just to keep it more concise) Opening Segments SPOILER: show Section #1 SPOILER: show Section #2 SPOILER: show Section #3: SPOILER: show Main Events SPOILER: show Final Tally (sticking a 0. whatever in front to make it look like ratings): SPOILER: show The Buzz SPOILER: show And there you have it folks. Any comments on my judging system? If it sucks, let me know. Last edited by Lock Jaw; 07-20-2010 at 05:28 PM. |
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LJ, nice review. Which was your personal favorite though? Like, if you could only watch one.
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Cranky Kong
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That was awesome Lock Jaw, but as a reminder to all, the judges will rank the shows from one (the best) to five (the least best). Every first place finish from a judge will score the company 5 points. Every fifth place finish will score 1 point. The public poll winner will get a bonus 5 points.
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VCW- Well put together for the debut show. I like how it starts off explaining who runs the company and how Hogan is introduced. Well booked, well written, well executed on the page with the spoiler tags.
LAW- Kinda sloppy, hmmm nice talent on the first show. DWW- Pretty good show, I think that if the Mexican thing came up, the show should have been in Arizona with the (SB1070 law). Other than that, It was very good, with good matches. TIW - Seems to be pretty short in terms of quantity... But not bad at all. Needs a bit more story or a different format. SCW- Good start with high star power guys in Punk and Flair... I like the idea of the battle royal to determine the first headliner in its first ppv. Sounded like good wrestling. |
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I'm Brllnt!
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My thoughts, maybe a little too detailed but enjoy:
VCW-They hit all the right cords. Solid in-ring action, segments, and good storylines. Joe Perfect was a great way to make a new gimmick, especially for that particular superstar. Only thing that slightly confused me was the end when the lights went out. Was it Sting? I dunno if it was intentional to leave out why they went out or anything but still somewhat baffling. All in all, still a solid way to start. LAW-Now I think it was a OK show, as it had good matches and promos, and even some new personas for the superstars and a few original characters. However there are a couple of flaws. There doesn't seem to be any spoiler for Jericho's interference for one, as when I clicked on it, nothing pops up. Also, did Wade and Pope have a match or not? It says they lock up and then next thing we see is Wade cut a promo. What happened? Out of all the matches only 1 finished cleanly; The Hart Dynasty beating Morgan and Gabriel. Most importantly, what is "The Incident"? Dunno if it was intentionally left as a mystery or not, but what was this incident between New York and WWE? Will we eventually find out or is it to remain unknown? Long story short, they did a pretty good job and all, and it certainly makes me wonder what they will do next, but they may have to get some things straightened out. DWW-Guess I was "Dead Wrong" to think they wouldn't do well (bad joke I know). Anyway, it was a nicely formatted show and the fact that it's 'uncensored' makes it impressive (almost like a newer fresher ECW). It also has good storylines and they started hinting on what will be SummerBANG's main event. However, I noticed a mistake; Evan Bourne had no entrance, which is minor I know but still, you should always double check what you wrote. Nevertheless, I like where DWW is going. TIW-The show had good matches and segments and even kept time of how long each went, although that seemed a tad unnecessary for the segments, but still nice of the person in charge to do. Also, they went right into the action with no prolonged intro whatsoever, which was a interesting touch in a good way. Ending was somewhat odd, with Taker piledriving Foley, but a nice twist I would think. Not much I have against them more or less so seems like a good way to start off. SCW-I like the fact that Flair is the commissioner of the company, as it adds a nice touch to the potential storylines, and the fact that it's giving both single and tag divisions equal chances of exposure with a battle royal for the top title being built and a round robin tag tournament. However, Flair said he signed 4 teams, but I counted 5 (a minor detail I know, but still could use some answers unless it was intentional). It's going in the right direction. I just hope they can stay in that direction like everyone else. |
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#48 |
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Allow me to clear some things up (I think).
1) Things like the lights going off at the end of the VCW show and Taker attacking Foley aren't supposed to be explained. At least not on this show. I'd guess they are building future storylines. 2) Not sure if it's fair to critique the errors that appear in some shows. Although I agree that you need to read (and re-read) what you are writing so you don't end up with a missing match (major error) or entrance/video (minor error) the "action" is what is important. But I guess they way it is written is important in understanding what the action is and you can judge based on whatever criteria you choose. 3) The Incident = "In the beginning: It was little less than 4 months ago that the WWE and TNA went under and all of the wrestlers became free agents. What is now known as the "mass exodus" was a hectic time filled with uncertainty. From the ashes the companies rose, lead by those that were passionate about the business of professional wrestling. Among them was Dead Wrong Wrestling lead by Terry Funk who, though retired, just never really knew when to quit. He acquired the most athletic, talented and potentially major wrestlers he could find and brought them together for an attempt to bring back the spirit of excitement and wonder to the sport." As posted in the Social Group. |
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#49 |
Pope Is Pimpin'
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That's why I didn't critique negatively on storylines.
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What is? That they haven't had time to play out?
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#51 |
Pope Is Pimpin'
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Feeling Oof-y
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True. First show has to set the foundations. I think you can see angles forming in most of the shows though.
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#53 |
Pope Is Pimpin'
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I based my comments on matches, Star power, and how and where the talent was used.
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Black Sheep Jew
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I voted for Vintage Championship Wrestling. I liked the names. The announce team. The writing & especially the IC tourney.
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I'm Brllnt!
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#56 |
TPWW's HHH Mark Since '04
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VCW- Grear all-around show. It had everything you look for in a wrestling show.
LAW-Below Average. It just seemed like a clusterfuck. (Might be the point). DWW- I just didn't like this very much. I love Terry Funk, and it was ok but it just didn't seem like I would enjoy it IRL as much as the other shows. TIW- While "efficiently" written, I felt this show would be really good IRL. SCW- I really enjoyed SCW. It was easier to read than most of the others and I didn't ever roll my eyes or anything. Great job by everybody! |
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#57 |
Reigning Tipsters Champ!
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Don't post very often, but always pass by the forums to read up on things and this really caught my eye. Was actually really anxious to read the shows and was impressed with all five and the work that has been put into them, congratulations. Just wanted to give a few points of my own, from my own perspective, that may or may not help the bookers with their next shows...
VCW - Really enjoyed the feel of your show. Say what you like about Hogan, but it is star power and immediately drew my attention to the show and to the angle with Joe Perfect. I also enjoyed the fact that you had established stars helping elevate Lethal to their level. We were not expected to just assume that certain stars had established that level already. Some concerns I have is the time given to the tag title situation, as personally a Dudley/Uso feud does nothing for me, especially with no sign of another team involved as of yet. Also, the Sensational Sixway reaked of TNA and had no real developed star involved, giving it a jobber feel. Would be nice to see a few established through angles, maybe some favourites for the title come to the forefront in some way, a reason to get behind them. LAW - Really enjoyed the ending to the show and the fact that arguably your biggest star was only on screen for a few seconds in Cena. What will he do next week? Why is he bahaving like this? Questions I will want to know next week. Also, really enjoyed the Tarver/Cottonwood promos, introducing us to their characters, because we need that to get interested in them, some build. Which is why I thought it was curious that there was absolutely no build for Wolfe, someone who the vast majority of marks will not be familiar with. The other problem you will have is keeping stars away from one another until the PPV, while at the same time putting matches on TV that will draw. I felt the match quality was quite poor this week and I, personally, would not have been that interested in the actual matches this week. DWW - Loved the feel of this Fed, it really stood out as an alternative option and got me interested in what was going on right away. The fact that you have an interesting X/Cruiser roster is intriguing. Lots of nice things on this show, a good long tag match that got the time needed to make it seem important. Also, skipping the need to build your champions has already given them some authority in the fed and was a smart move, coupled with how they were put over strong on the show. The build of Rhino was also very interesting and very well put together and I will be interested to see how this goes. Perhaps he will take the fallen Misterio's place as the fan's Stone Cold-esque rebel and have a shot at toppling The Miz?? Some concerns were the use of the cruiserweights. I was not made to care about any of them and it felt like their match was just a way to get them all a bit of airtime. Maybe a break-down, a few interviews and some story will give us all a vested interest in a few and get at least a few of them over with us in the 3 weeks before the PPV. Will also be interesting to see where the tag division is going after the handshake, will it be a friendly rivalry, or will the Tigers be the big threat going into the PPV. If so, it is either confusing or leaves you with one less week to make that build. TIW- Joe over BIG, some time and backstory given to Chavo, and a really hot stable formed in Sheamus, McIntyre and Diggler. Also, lots of established names to play with going into the PPV. There are plenty of opportunities for matches at the PPV with well established stars that we are already familiar with. Some concerns are perhaps the killing off of Zeke and Shad, but they are probably dispensible to you, and I was looking forward to seeing what you would do with Sheffield also, but he seems to have been used to further Teddy. The show also seemed a little top heavy compared to the others, with lots of names stacked into the last 15 minutes, will hopefully see different singles feuds begin to form from next week, as attacking Nash, for me, served no real purpose, but there are 3 more weeks to prove me wrong! SCW - This was the show that got my vote in the first week. We had some Flair/Punk on the mic to open the show, cementing Punk's role in the fed early on. We had a Hardy's reunion, Kane going over strong. The start of a build for an interesting Edge storyline and an amazing match to finish the show with Angle going over. The show seemed to run so smoothly through everything. There were no complicated matches or rules. It was kept simple, but stories were very clear and beginning to build. That being said, have they done a WCW? To get my vote this week by giving away Angle/Punk on free TV, have they sacrificed the PPV. What do you have in store? The other point that was a bit disappointing for me was the well established British team AND the Hardy's BOTH losing their opening matches. It sort of took the heat off both teams fast (especially since the South Beach Boyz had a tremendously jobber like feel to them) and ruined the Hardy's reunion. The fact that it is a round robin means they can redeem themselves though. I think all the feds need to be aware that they NEED their established stars. It is only one month and very difficult to put over lesser known names in that month. It is all about a balance, young, impressive newcomers getting put over in the right way, but not at the expense of all their stars and their drawing power for the PPV. All in all, great opening shows and all of them have me interested and honestly, any of the 5 could get my vote next week! Keep up the good work guys, looking forward to week 2 of shows! |
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#58 |
Cranky Kong
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Great review, Fallen. Thanks man.
About the Hardys, though...I think some people were overlooking the different outlooks of Matt and Jeff. I'm willing to bet that their spots on the PPV will be against each other. |
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#59 |
Pope Is Pimpin'
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I honestly thought that the first week was going to be horrible.
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Oooooooooo. A three way tie in the public vote. Exciting.
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Skibbidy Lock Jaw
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I wish more people would have voted.
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#63 |
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This is just the beginning.
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#64 |
Cranky Kong
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There's still plenty of time to vote.
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#65 |
I'm Brllnt!
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Should the judges vote in the poll too?
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#66 |
Cranky Kong
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No
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#67 |
Pope Is Pimpin'
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Edit the title of this thread and add (Poll) on to it.
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#68 |
Cranky Kong
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It already says there's a poll as it's shown on the page.
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#69 |
I'm Brllnt!
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Pope Is Pimpin'
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I'm Brllnt!
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VCW.
Hogan and Cole are a great team so far. Hogan actually put someone over. The Dudley/Uso feud doesn't interest me too much. I don't really like the way the main event is developing. The guys in the title picture seem like they are taking a back seat to HHH, Orton and Anderson. LAW. Love the feel of this one. Seems like a post-WWE/TNA apocalyptic setting. Liked the Tarver segment, really reinforced the apocalypse feel. Any sort of heel Cena does good in my book. DWW. Nice commentary team. Good choice of Terry Funk for commish. I didn't think it was possible but you made Miz even better than he actually is. Liked that you started as an established promotion instead of this being your first show. SCW. Other than Flair and Punk wasn't really feeling this one. And I'm not sold on the direction of Flair. I'd like to see a more definitive heel/face Flair. The show seemed to be based on matches and not storylines which is tough to keep me interested when I'm just reading, not watching. TIW. Seemed pretty lackluster to me. None of the potential feuds seem interesting to me and it ended in typical Undertaker fashion. Unless Taker did it because of his past with Foley it just doesn't gel with me. |
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#74 |
Cranky Kong
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The poll is still open for four more days.
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#75 |
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finally had a chance to skim through them. I'm going to review them as honestly as I could. please don't take offense if I am harsh.
VCW I can't stand Michael Cole, so I would of turned this one off immediately. Nothing going on in the opening segment at all. You went from Cole giving his introduction speech right into a match. There needed to be somehting more to open the show. This is a new show. You have the audience as soon as it starts. You need to do something to make them stay and giving them a Cole promo with nothing more doesn't really add any intrigue to the promotion. The opening segment and your closing should of been the most imporant parts of the show. Your very first match ever for the promotion is the USO's vs The Dudleys? Would of turned this off as well. The Dudleys are has beens and the Uso's have done nothing so far. I would of opened with your 3rd match. Loved the Hulk/Joe perfect thing. That's your show stealer. That puts Perfect over as huge and the star of your promotion right now. Good placement with this segment. You maybe could of stage for this in your opening segment. The main event was a good main event in terms of talent. I don't like the mystery angle here though. It's too soon. It screams TNA. And I would of reversed it and had HHH getting attacked and not Lethal if you want to end the show with an Impact. Unless you're building a feud with Lethal vs mystery guy. I wouldn't think HHH would care that much with Lethal getting attacked right now. They don't really have a relationship yet. So that whole ending seemed forced to me. Overall, ok show. You've got good talent. You need better tag teams though. your teams are awful. LAW My fav show my far. I LOVED how you open this talking about an Incident involving NY/WWE. Excellent job there. I am intrigued and I am staying put to see what you are talking about Love the broacast team as it's nobody I know. Gives everything a brand new and original feel. Same thing with Jim Gorman. Again, it's a fresh character that you've created. I like it. Love the first match as Barrett is a hot star right now and so is Dinero. I didn't think you could get Tarver over right away, but that's a fucking promo. It's quick, it's to the point and it gets the message across. Who wouldn't hire this guy? The segment with Jericho and Show was good. This sets up your main event. I'm not really a fan of Justin Gabriel and think Morgan can be used better for the future. You should probably just have Morgan beat the shit out of Gabriel. ![]() The ending was awesome with John Cena. Nice suspense and I loved him with street clothes. This makes me think of the Incident you alluded to in the beginning. Overall: My fav show. Good work. Dead Wrong Wrestling ugh, I'm sorry, but the paragraphs need to go. I can't take that. I had a really tough time reading this. Don't get me wrong, you've got great talent and the Miz/Funk segent was amazing, but I just hate reading paragraphs. I'm sure other people on here love it though. This is Wrestling My 2nd fav show. If you're not going to open up with a promo and decide to get right to the wrestling, I'm good with that. Your first match was a great opener and love the Guererro/Hernandez pairing. Makes a lot of sense. LOVE the Nash/Sheamus segment. Great build And I love how you continue the segments throughout the show. Later on you how Hernandez and Chavo again and you continue the Nash/Sheamus thing and add more players to it. A show works best when you do this in my opinion. There's a flow to it and you build up to the ending. Here's what I did not like. You built Sheamus the entire night and then you have him take the pin in the main event via Foley. ![]() And then to make matters worse for Sheamus, you plug in Taker and take the focus off Sheamus/Foley and now it's on Taker/Foley. I think you did too much here and should of saved Taker for later. Build towards his arrival. But overall the show was really good. I hated the lst 5 minuts though. SCW: Another long one. You went the obvious rout and used Flair as the commish, but it works. I don't mind it. The show above used Foley and that was good as well. LOVE the Flair/Punk segment. very good stuff there. makes a ton of sense and the two characters clash. I would love to see a progression where slowly the audience turns on Flair and starts cheering Punk and his good ways. I also like the tag teams you have. I love tag wrestling and you have a good division. The main event was also pretty good, but nothing really happened at the end. This show reminds me of ROH. Not a lot of storylines and interview segment, but a lot of pure wrestling. It's not my favorite type of wrestling, but it does appeal to a lot of posters here. well that's that. like I said, don't take the negative commenrs to heart. remmeber, I'm only 1 reader. good job to everyone for taking the time to write all that out. lord knows I can't do that anymore. |
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#76 |
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LOL. LC I think you should go back and read the shows properly instead of "skimming" them. You seem to have missed a lot of the details.
You seem to have missed most of the VCW opening segment and I read the ending completely different to you. And I'm guessing the "long paragraphs" in DWW meant you didn't read it properly either as it was a damn good show. Once again, you guys are free to judge to whatever criteria you like but please read the shows thourougly before doing so. |
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#77 |
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actually I did go back and read them throughly as I was writing or else I would not of written such a long response. I did skim through the longer shows at first, but then kind of had to read them to review. That one show I could not get through though. sorry
my views stand. I'm guessing one of the long one's was yours? |
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#78 |
Skibbidy Lock Jaw
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Yeah, I was gonna mention that DWW needs some spaces in its long match paragraphs if they expect anyone to read the entire thing.
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A lot of good input from everyone. I think week 2 may fix a lot of the problems with week 1.
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Not sorted my rankings yet but was writing down some comments as I was reading through. There are more comments for some shows than others. This does not mean I dislike that show more. The comments are also mostly negative since, well, reading positive comments is boring and isn't really the point of 'feedback'.
VCW- First guy out was Michael Cole. This does not make me want to 'watch' your show. Nor does Hogan as a colour commentator. Guy is still a draw and could be used much more effectively. Having him 'present' for the whole show is not a good idea. Don't think anybody would buy him being mugged off by Hennig/Perfect either although I did like that character establishment. First match is a 20 minute contest between The Dudleys and The Usos? Are you attempting to stop people from watching? A match and a very quick beatdown featuring Goldust that goes another 20 minutes? No thanks. Jay Lethal continues to impersonate other guys? This could have been a chance for a fresh start, to be Jay Lethal on another scale but instead you go with something from the past and something that probably means him not being taken seriously/rising above the midcard as long as being Jay Lethal isn't enough (that's how it comes across) No idea what was supposed to be going on at the end with the lights going out and Lethal being beamed up by Scotty. LAW - Early contender for 'TNA Impression of the week'. Didn't like the opening. Alluding to 'The Boss' is a nice touch, builds something straight away. Without the NXT storyline or the other Nexus guys, I probably wouldn't care about Wade Barrett so I'm not going to care about him talking about being world champion on the debut show. 2nd ever match finishes in a no contest? Gallows as a bodyguard works. I applaud the attempt to build characters straight away. Head and shoulders the biggest draw you have doesn't appear nor is mentioned until the very end of the show? That's a lot of faith being put in a very unproven roster with almost zero start power. DWW - I think this may have been written by a teenage Vince Russo while playing with his wrestling figures. British guys in a team. Black guys in a team with a black girl. Original. Do you know how loud the TV would have to be to hear/understand what Terry Funk is talking about? And he's been given an authority spot that involves lots of mic time. The crowd would be absoloutely dead and buried by the time the main event came round given the 23 minute (eughhhhhh) spot fest followed by another 20 minute probable spot fest. Which means the #1 heel beating the #1 babyface/draw very decisively and clean on TV (confusing enough as it is) would play out before virtual silence. I also don't believe you need to tell everybody what all the themes are. TIW - Liked how simple and easy to read this was. No clusterfuck segments, good, effective booking that makes sense (really liked the 'Hernandez getting into wrestling because of the Guerrero family' line) Chavo/Roode would be a good match to start with from an in-ring POV, just maybe not enough star power. Would probably have switched the DiBiase match for that one. Not a fan of Joe squashing Shad and Zeke, that makes them borderline worthless for the rest of the month and I just would't buy 5'9 Wobbly Joe as a threat against 2 6'4+ black guys. Wasn't a fan of the finish to the main event either, heels winning or Ziggler taking the fall would have been preferable. Maybe getting Taker involved elsewhere or taking out McIntyre and Ziggler (protect Sheamus) would have worked better. Taker closing the show definitely works for an 'inaugral' show however. SCW - Striker and Tazz are both colour guys. Don't see it working. Like Flair as the authority role/first guy to the ring. Don't know why you'd carry on with WWE storylines though in terms of Punk wearing a mask and later building to some kind of reveal with the mask coming off. Are you assuming that all of your fans used to watch WWE and know what happened there? Went on a bit. Round robin might be a bit to confusing/all over the place. A tournament could have worked. Liked the Matt Hardy creepy stuff. Ditto emphasising Kane's role straight away by squashing Slater. Slater being squashed every week isn't something I'd be adverse to. As I said, don't like the mask reveal thing with Punk. And if he's supposed to be the #1 heel, he probably shouldn't be tapping out in the main event of the first show either. In fact, Punk/Angle on the first show is something I'd question a lot more if this was supposed to be anything longer than a month. I wish I could discuss there more/reply to comebacks from whoever wrote the shows etc. |
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