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Old 08-26-2010, 01:29 AM   #1
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I mean Sonnen is a wrestler who has been tapped out by some of the best BJJ practioners in the world, guys like Maia, Sobral, Paulo Filho, Jeremy Horn. While submissions may be a weakness, I don't think it's as big as some people believe it to be.
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Old 08-26-2010, 11:14 AM   #2
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I mean Sonnen is a wrestler who has been tapped out by some of the best BJJ practioners in the world, guys like Maia, Sobral, Paulo Filho, Jeremy Horn. While submissions may be a weakness, I don't think it's as big as some people believe it to be.
Well, it cost him the UFC Middleweight Championship so I think it's a pretty big weakness. It's a pretty big weakness when the guy he's trying to take the title from is a BJJ black belt under the Nogueiras. It's a pretty big problem when more than 70% of his losses come from submission.

I hate to bring this up because I feel it belittles what Sonnen accomplished against Silva, but anyone that watched that fight could tell that Silva wasn't the same fighter right off the bat. He has no head movement he had no foot work and he was just inviting Sonnen to hit him. It was plain as day that one of three things were wrong at the beginning of that fight...

A) Silva was being his arrogant self and allowed Sonnen to tag him to prove some sort of stupid point and Sonnen hit harder than Silva was anticipating. It looked like Silva was dogging it for the first two rounds and then by the time he decided to rev himself back up Sonnen had grown in confidence enough to continue domination until he eventually got caught.

B) Silva's rib injury was legit and that's why he had no head movement and no footwork and that's why he seemed to not be able to work submissions to completion at the beginning of the fight because he was to injured to throw those legs up until Chael was tired enough at the end of the fight.

C) Between the Maia fight and the Sonnen fight Silva has gotten old and past his prime and that's why he lacked any kind of head movement and footwork.


It has to be one of those three because you cannot deny that Silva was fighting very diffrently before he was even touched by Sonnen. His striking was bad and his defensive striking was worse two things that Anderson has always been world class at.
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Old 08-26-2010, 02:42 AM   #3
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Not taking anything away from Sonnen, as I'm surprised he dominated as much as he did. I just don't think he has the tools to finish the fight if they are both healthy.
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I choose B
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:45 AM   #5
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That's the thing. Sonnen shouldn't have been able to get near Silva without getting tagged. Might have been able to get a takedown or 2, but not without multiple failed attempts and not without eating a shot on the way in.
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i think it was just a very different fight for silva. he's not come up against wrestlers a lot, and his opponants are usually way more reluctant to engage. sonnen dictated the pace too.
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i think it was just a very different fight for silva. he's not come up against wrestlers a lot, and his opponants are usually way more reluctant to engage. sonnen dictated the pace too.
That may be true but you can't deny that Anderson looked slow on his feet.

I agree that Sonnen played the most aggressive game against Silva since Leben but Sliva had nothing standing. In the first round he actually dropped his hands and appeared to let Sonnen tag him in the face. You have to be honest and say that that just doesn't happen to Silva and Sonnen's striking isn't so great that he can get a shot through like where so many better strikers failed.

I go with my post above, it has to be one of those three reasons above that Silva looked so bad. I'm willing to accept any of those three, beyond that I simply cannot believe that just being agressive with a shot shut down Silva's defence, it's just illogical. Dan Henderson was aggressive with a shot and he got caught coming in. Leben was agressive with strikes and he got caught coming in. Marquardt was aggressive with a shot and got caught coming in. Forrest with aggressive with strikes and he got caught coming in. Rich Frianklin got agressive and he got caught twice.

Sonnen, I'll admit, has better wrestling credentials than any of those guys but not so good that Silva would put his hands to his side and let Sonnen sock him in the face. That just wouldn't happen. Either Silva was dogging it for some reason, he was hurt, or he's suddenly past his prime.
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:25 PM   #8
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i wondered about that. i kinda thought he was gonna dodge them like against griffin or he was just showing sonnen he could take his punches as a mind game or something, but really i don't know. i imagine the second fight will either get finished sooner by silva, via submission, or sonnen will lay and pray the last couple of rounds if he's ahead.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:10 PM   #10
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This guy is such a troll. I hope Silva finishes it in the first round by murder.
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Old 09-15-2010, 08:43 PM   #11
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lol Chael is mintttttt
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Old 09-15-2010, 09:18 PM   #12
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i watched the fight again last night and was heartbroken for him all over again
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Old 09-16-2010, 02:13 PM   #13
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Hilarious stuff, but I'd put money on all the guys he's talking shit about murdering him except Bisping.
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Hilarious stuff, but I'd put money on all the guys he's talking shit about murdering him except Bisping.
and that's the beauty of Chael Sonnen... he doesn't care WHO you're betting on...as long as you're betting!

Personally, I've got about 23:35 minutes of evidence that says you shouldn't bet against him.
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:36 PM   #15
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All I'm saying is we will see. Funny thing about when he brought up Okami, Anderson lost that fight via DQ because he kicked Okami in the face while they were both down. Okami was in his guard and Silva Gumbied his leg back and actually hit an upkick from that position. Also, Silva's been trying to avenge that loss, but Okami, who up until recently was on a win streak, kept getting passed over for title shots because he's boring.
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:59 PM   #16
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unless hes going after silva he usually doesnt mean what he says.... coleman (a friend of his) called him out asking sonnen why he would call him a bum, to which sonnen said "why not" i guess both had a good laugh afterwords.
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Loved it all, but Brock would rip his head off where he stands tbh.
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I'm sure GSP and Brock would both handle Sonnen. But he's still entrtaining and should be encouraged to keep talking
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gsp vs sonnen would be interesting. so would gsp vs silva tbh, now that it seems anderson isn't great against top class wrestlers.
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