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Old 10-12-2010, 04:57 AM   #41
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It was a couple years before actually. Hmm. I thought it aired right before the show did
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It was pretty different than the 90s cartoon. More canonical and better art overall.
The art in the 90s cartoon was definitely lazy in places. I thought the storylines were pretty good though. Way more faithful than you'd really expect for a cartoon.

Yea I was just checking it out on youtube. The art was definitely better than I though in the Pryde pilot. Sort of like G.I. Joe
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Old 10-12-2010, 05:00 AM   #43
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You sure they were the same productions? I remember the 90's series was a reboot because Pryde just didn't get picked up. Different cast, production team, and all that. I recall seeing it significantly earlier than the 90's toon, more than a year.

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First time I saw it was my initial exposure to the X-Men (didn't see them guest star on Spidey's Amazing Friends). I immediately loved Wolverine at first. Never could find his Pryde action figure, well my mom claimed she looked everywhere anyway.

Now I can't walk into Walmart's toy section without seeing 6 different Wolverines.

Would love a DVD release of Pryde to coincide with this arcade game, surprised it wasn't announced already.
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Yea it was 2 or 3 years later. I thought they were the same year forever and they just changed it around once it got picked up.

I remember when the toys came out in conjunction with Pryde, I think. I loved Nightcrawler and Wolverine above all else.

Then a couple years later the cartoon came along and changed everything. I think the Jim Lee re-design just defines X-Men for me. I was 5 or 6 years old when it happened, so for me that was THE X-Men.
I always grew up thinking the previous versions of Cyclops and Storm were so lame in comparison.
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I still think it's extraordinarily lame that they didn't keep Nightcrawler and Colossus in the main lineup of the animated series though
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I dunno. The 90s cartoon is full of inaccuracies. To this day people are under the impression that Wolverine had a buddy named Morph (he did not), Jean Grey was a pussy (she was not, except early on), Wolverine and Gambit were the best of friends (they barely tolerated each other) and various other ricockulous errors.
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This is probably what is burnt into my mind as far as X-Men is concerned. All it needs is Nightcrawler and it would be perfect
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On the other hand, we got Jubilee (I still have a crush on Alyson(SP) "Claire Redfield" Court's voice) and some epic miniseries.
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I dunno. The 90s cartoon is full of inaccuracies. To this day people are under the impression that Wolverine had a buddy named Morph (he did not), Jean Grey was a pussy (she was not, except early on), Wolverine and Gambit were the best of friends (they barely tolerated each other) and various other ricockulous errors.
I don't think any of those things. Morph was Wolverine's buddy for one episode.
Also, Wolverine and Gambit couldn't stand eachother in the cartoon.

I've been watching it recently actually, because I picked up the first 3 volumes on DVD.

I don't really hold it against the continuity though. Maybe because I've read most of the 80s and 90s X-Men comics too, but I never had any of those misconceptions from the show. I'm more than okay with changes and simplifications in a cartoon adaptation. It really is pretty close for a kid's cartoon.
I never viewed Jean Grey as a pussy at all either, because I was almost always familiar with Phoenix.
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Wolverine is in the wrong costume.
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Jim Lee did that peice pretty close to Clarmont's series. Think Wolverine had a solo game in that attire too. It was a prize on some Nick gameshow.
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Gotta love that white eyes/constipated expression art of the 90s. Great when you're a kid, but as someone who's read the vast majority of the X-Men titles (including the semi-related titles like Deadpool and Excalibur) I can tell you now that 1994 - 2000 was a huge low point in the comics for the most part. Deadpool took off, X-Factor was mostly good and X-Force and Cable had their moments, but it was a huge letdown in general.
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Yea they switched him back to his original colors almost immediately after that. I always wondered why Jim Lee didn't make the change right then when he had made all the other tweaks.

I've always loved both costumes
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I know people like it but Logan's brown garb is fucking ugly. He looks better in anything else, even the Xtreme X-Men gayness.
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Gotta love that white eyes/constipated expression art of the 90s. Great when you're a kid, but as someone who's read the vast majority of the X-Men titles (including the semi-related titles like Deadpool and Excalibur) I can tell you now that 1994 - 2000 was a huge low point in the comics for the most part. Deadpool took off, X-Factor was mostly good and X-Force and Cable had their moments, but it was a huge letdown in general.
Jim Lee's imitators aren't as good as him. I lost interest in the X-Men huge in those years you pointed out, but I loved it in the early 90s.
I'm talking about 91-93 for the most part.
Feel like the big peak in popularity and overexposure probably is what derailed the X-Men ultimately, but it was amazing when it first happened.
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Whoops wrong series (not Xtreme).

I fucking adored Astonishing X-Men.
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I don't think any of those things. Morph was Wolverine's buddy for one episode.
Also, Wolverine and Gambit couldn't stand eachother in the cartoon.

I've been watching it recently actually, because I picked up the first 3 volumes on DVD.

I don't really hold it against the continuity though. Maybe because I've read most of the 80s and 90s X-Men comics too, but I never had any of those misconceptions from the show. I'm more than okay with changes and simplifications in a cartoon adaptation. It really is pretty close for a kid's cartoon.
I never viewed Jean Grey as a pussy at all either, because I was almost always familiar with Phoenix.
Morph came back later in the show. Actually, he was so popular that he was made an actual character in the Age of Apocalypse in the comics. Then he went on to be one of the best parts of The Exiles. I actually like the 90s cartoon overall, as it had a pretty serious tone to it compared to similar shows of the time. The inaccuracies are baffling at certain points though. Wolverine running away from Proteus was always a big one. He doesn't run away from anyone. Period.
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Gotta love that white eyes/constipated expression art of the 90s. Great when you're a kid, but as someone who's read the vast majority of the X-Men titles (including the semi-related titles like Deadpool and Excalibur) I can tell you now that 1994 - 2000 was a huge low point in the comics for the most part. Deadpool took off, X-Factor was mostly good and X-Force and Cable had their moments, but it was a huge letdown in general.
I hate the 90's too, but X-men was fucking money. Fatal Attraction, X-Cutioners's song, Legion Quest, Age of Apocalypse, Phalynx Covenant, and the Deadpool and Generation X series in their entirety were all great
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Morph came back later in the show. Actually, he was so popular that he was made an actual character in the Age of Apocalypse in the comics. Then he went on to be one of the best parts of The Exiles. I actually like the 90s cartoon overall, as it had a pretty serious tone to it compared to similar shows of the time. The inaccuracies are baffling at certain points though. Wolverine running away from Proteus was always a big one. He doesn't run away from anyone. Period.
That is awful. They also underplayed the Professor X-Magneto relationship and past to a point where it almost defeats the entire purpose of Magneto
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I know people like it but Logan's brown garb is fucking ugly. He looks better in anything else, even the Xtreme X-Men gayness.
80s brown is a classic. Best point in X-Men history.
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Jim Lee's imitators aren't as good as him. I lost interest in the X-Men huge in those years you pointed out, but I loved it in the early 90s.
I'm talking about 91-93 for the most part.
Feel like the big peak in popularity and overexposure probably is what derailed the X-Men ultimately, but it was amazing when it first happened.
What killed it was 90s writing. It's all about writing as big and badass a scenario as possible, in as douchey a writing style as possible, without thinking about longterm consequences. That kind of thinking guarantees hitting a wall eventually because you're so quick to blow your load. Plus all the bad guys just become mysterious, overpowered master manipulators with no real motivation for doing anything. See the first 50 or so issues of Witchblade for a classic example of this.
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Yeah, def. Made Cable bearable, as he was always this super tough, super smart badass with no real connection to anyone. Add Liefeld's typical super elaborate past history that doesn't really go anywhere and you get one of the worst characters ever until other people started filling in the gaps and humanizing him.
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Hate Cable because his character is so inconsistent. Every one who writes him, writes him completely differently it seems.

Also, Cable leaving the resistance in Civil War was so out of character. Very few people seem to know how to write the guy.
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He should be written like Roland from the dark tower novels.
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It's not the goofiness. It's the lonely bastard beneath all the ricockulous behaviour that made him endearing. He pined so hard for so long for a lesbo that ended up dying right away. That kind of shit is what I'm talking about.
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But the big bad in Witcblade was this douche for the longest time.
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This new X-Men game coming... Any expectations for Destiny?
None. Maybe we'll get lucky.
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Hate Cable because his character is so inconsistent. Every one who writes him, writes him completely differently it seems.

Also, Cable leaving the resistance in Civil War was so out of character. Very few people seem to know how to write the guy.
Yeah, lots of ridiculous changes over the years. Some of the runs were really good, though.
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I've read like 120 issues. It takes a long time before it gets good. Very shitty writing to start out.
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All those characters are like that, tho. Plastic Man has a son he cares deeply for. But that doesn't maske up for the other 95% of the time, where they are making jokes that no one would ever in their right mind even chuckle at. Really shitty writing, because a lot of writers can't do comedy. Well 90's ones anyways. Was cringe worthy, every time someone tried to be funny in a 90's comic. NO ONE TALKS LIKE THAT IN REAL LIFE
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I hear you. Kinda why I love shit like Powers and Preacher. Unreal situations, but the dialog is pretty realistic.
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