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Old 01-26-2011, 09:38 PM   #41
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:55 PM   #42
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I actually see a clear comparison of Austin n Orton...

Cenas character has to go through the heel stage before he can even be compared to as any other former wrestling legend.

He's only been a main event superstar as a face.

I also want to clarify someones previous statement.

They compared Cena to Hogan as a babyface etc..

You should have said Hulk Hogan, as Hollywood Hogan is his heel/ badass persona.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:24 PM   #43
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I actually see a clear comparison of Austin n Orton...

Cenas character has to go through the heel stage before he can even be compared to as any other former wrestling legend.

He's only been a main event superstar as a face.

I also want to clarify someones previous statement.

They compared Cena to Hogan as a babyface etc..

You should have said Hulk Hogan, as Hollywood Hogan is his heel/ badass persona.
How is there a clear comparison between Orton and Austin? Austin had a catch phrase, Orton doesn't. Austin was immense on the microphone. Orton is not. Austin, prior to his neck injury, and other times post injury, was one of the best workers on the roster. Orton is not.

Cena's character is directly relateable to Hogan in the 80s. Top face of the company, never loses cleanly, is ALWAYS in the main event/main feud even if the title is not involved.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:42 PM   #44
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I am the biggest Rock mark, but his SD X promo was lacking and dated. It wasn't the usual edge of your seat Rock promo that I was used to marking out for.

It would've been better if he showed up to the ring on RAW (or SD!)
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:45 PM   #45
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How is there a clear comparison between Orton and Austin? Austin had a catch phrase, Orton doesn't. Austin was immense on the microphone. Orton is not. Austin, prior to his neck injury, and other times post injury, was one of the best workers on the roster. Orton is not.

Cena's character is directly relateable to Hogan in the 80s. Top face of the company, never loses cleanly, is ALWAYS in the main event/main feud even if the title is not involved.

He is the Viper... He isn't suppose to discuss his feelings on the mic..

He is suppose to be secretive, ready to strike at any moment.

Austin wasn't GREAT on the mic either... He just liked to swear and tell people off... Orton does that wish his facial impressions and stare downs.

Both have similiar qualities and it's definetly hampered Orton as the Viper in a PG ERA.
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He is the Viper... He isn't suppose to discuss his feelings on the mic..

He is suppose to be secretive, ready to strike at any moment.

Austin wasn't GREAT on the mic either... He just liked to swear and tell people off... Orton does that wish his facial impressions and stare downs.

Both have similiar qualities and it's definetly hampered Orton as the Viper in a PG ERA.
Austin wasn't great? GTFO. You have no clue what you're talking about. Austin was consisently solid on the mic, and his entire career was built off of and carried through what he said.

Yes, Orton is silent but deadly. Austin WAS NOT. So, where's the connection here? You have two completely different characters who have completely different motives.

The only similar quality is that they're not your prototypical, fan-pandering face. Other than that, from in ring style to mic work, there are limited similarities.
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:12 AM   #48
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I think some of you lost sight of the question. It wasn't so much that "X" is the new "Y" in terms of mimickry, or how unique The Rock was, etc., but more of a comparative roster spot situation. In terms of the question, Cena is now what Hogan once was, what Bret once was, what Austin once was: the be all end all face of the company. If Austin disappeared from the face of the earth during his heyday, The Rock could have filled that void in the roster and essentially become THE man.

If Cena's heart exploded tomorrow, or he was stabbed to death with a spork by the "We Hate Cena" guy he hugged on RAW, or whatever, Orton is in the best "Rock" position to Cena's "Austin" to be able to be the company's banner-carrier as things stand presently. Miz would be a decent choice for a close second as things are right now, but he's just being established as a 100% credible main event heel. To make him a babyface in this situation without enough... history behind him would actually hurt him in the long run. No one would buy it until he's had more spotlight time and a couple of face/heel turns.

Unless we get a 3rd coming of Jericho. He trumps all other choices. And I mean that in the least markish way possible.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:53 AM   #49
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There is never a new "wrestler A" there is always the the first "Wrestler B." Then you want to find the next wrestler B, but there is only the first Wrestler C. Then you love C a lot and want a new wrestler C, but you get the new wrestler D.

It's like the USS Enterprise. Stop living in the past like in Star Wars and head to the Final Frontier.
Could you de-nerd that one a little?
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Austin wasn't great? GTFO. You have no clue what you're talking about. Austin was consisently solid on the mic, and his entire career was built off of and carried through what he said.

Yes, Orton is silent but deadly. Austin WAS NOT. So, where's the connection here? You have two completely different characters who have completely different motives.

The only similar quality is that they're not your prototypical, fan-pandering face. Other than that, from in ring style to mic work, there are limited similarities.
Austin was good on the MIC? Please... I'd rather have listened to George Bush speak..

Just another redneck.

He got fame for rebelling against McMahon/faces/heels and being edgy.

Ortons done the same. Can't trust either of them.

Both are assholes in real life which helped their on air character TREMENDOUSLY.

I think my generation remembers Austin for the beer truck, the monster truck, or the countless acts of vandalism in the back. Not some great promo like The Rock or Cena/Miz is use to doing.

There is one clear difference between Orton & Austin. Orton can actually wrestle.
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Both have similiar qualities and it's definetly hampered Orton as the Viper in a PG ERA.
I could just imagine how awesome Viper Orton would be if this was the Attitude Era
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Could you de-nerd that one a little?
Nah it's relevant plus talking about wrestling on the internet makes everybody here a nerd to begin with.
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Nah it's relevant plus talking about wrestling on the internet makes everybody here a nerd to begin with.
Which is why I only asked you to de-nerd it a little.
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This is the second time I've said this today...

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Come on, there is no comparison there. One has a nose and the other doesn't -- you're clearly comparing apples to oranges.

Randy Orton is the #2 guy without question. The pops he has been getting lately are pretty damn good. Do I think he could carry the company? Not in the way Cena is, but in the way that Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart were the sort of defacto guys when Hulk Hogan left.

But I think given time, The Miz could be up there. His story is very similar to The Rock's. He shows up, people give him shit and don't think he can do it, he works hard, finds his niche as an ultra-heel. It's only a matter of time before The Miz's personality and work ethic turn him babyface. Then it might be a different story. It's just timing with him at the moment.

Alberto Del Rio was another interesting one mentioned. Del Rio's actually being given this credible heel shtick. He makes top faces tap-out like bitches cleanly, and he has no fear. He gets in the face of any top guy and is all like "I can beat you...but you already know that." Down the line, if he turns face, again with the right timing and booking -- I could see him being a slightly big deal.

But if Cena left the company tomorrow, I think the way it would go is that Randy Orton is the big star on RAW they already have, they move Rey Mysterio over for the kiddies and the merchandise sales, The Miz continues to be kept "in the oven," and they move John Morrison into gear.
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