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Old 02-16-2011, 01:34 PM   #41
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I don't think anyone has ever expected Orton to get to rock or austin's level.
This forum is proof enough to the contrary.

Unless you're being intentionally ridiculous again. I can never tell.
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Old 02-17-2011, 01:27 AM   #48
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But to answer the question:

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Orton isn't a face.

Stupid fucking wrestling fans.

He's the VIPER.

He just so happens to be paired up against major heels at the moment.

Doesn't mean he won't punt people to the head, specially Cena if provoked.
That is why he is a face.
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Old 02-17-2011, 01:33 AM   #50
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Old 02-17-2011, 01:41 AM   #51
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WWE actually did Orton's face turn right. If a heel is getting pops all you have to do to maintain or build on that is change his focus from attacking faces to attacking heels. This is where they went wrong with him in 05 and something that I think Cena suffers from - they go face and start kissing up to fans/being a nice guy.
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Old 02-17-2011, 01:47 AM   #52
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Having said that the logic of his actions and face status don't always make sense.

I saw it posted around here somewhere recently but look at Punk v Orton. Punk costs Orton the belt as retribution for Orton doing the same to him a couple years back. Instead of Orton being all "Well I guess that's fair" and "We're even" he's like "I'm gonna kick your ass for costing me the title".

If anything Punk is should be the face in this situation. Logically.

But there's little room for logic in wrestling.

Like has been said, Orton and Cena have kicked chunks out of each other for the past few years, then Orton hugs the guy as he is fired. Or Orton himself, who spent most of his career attacking old men or booting people in the temple is suddenly forgiven for those actions when he turns face.
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WWE actually did Orton's face turn right. If a heel is getting pops all you have to do to maintain or build on that is change his focus from attacking faces to attacking heels. This is where they went wrong with him in 05 and something that I think Cena suffers from - they go face and start kissing up to fans/being a nice guy.
Yep, they did it much better this time. How they fucked up after SummerSlam is beyond me... oh wait, putting the title on HHH, that was it.

This time, it was the little things that made the difference for me. While he was a heel building into a face during the Legacy stable, he posed on the ropes without doing his arm thing. Then the night that his turn was completed, he did the arm thing and the crowd loved it. From that point on, he was a face again. They made it so definable, it was great.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:58 PM   #54
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Yep, they did it much better this time. How they fucked up after SummerSlam is beyond me... oh wait, putting the title on HHH, that was it.

This time, it was the little things that made the difference for me. While he was a heel building into a face during the Legacy stable, he posed on the ropes without doing his arm thing. Then the night that his turn was completed, he did the arm thing and the crowd loved it. From that point on, he was a face again. They made it so definable, it was great.
They put the belt on Triple H because Orton proved he wasn't ready to carry the ball, so they put it back on the man who could carry the ball between the shoulder blades of his massive and entertaining back.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:58 AM   #55
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They put the belt on Triple H because Orton proved he wasn't ready to carry the ball, so they put it back on the man who could carry the ball between the shoulder blades of his massive and entertaining back.
Orton didn't even get to win a PPV as champ... that's rough.

It's not like Triple H was exactly short of title runs around that time. Didn't he win a vacated title that he had vacated? Was that the only competition he could find, himself?
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:38 PM   #57
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It isn't about giving everyone equal time, it is about putting the belt on a fucking DRAW. Triple H was the best way to put asses in seats since Orton flopped miserably.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:56 PM   #58
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Orton wasn't ready. Had no beef with the strap going back to Triple H.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:57 PM   #59
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Punting yr downed opponent in the face while he isnt looking never struck me as something a 'good guy' would do.
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I liken it to simply the fact that the pool of talent is slim, and Orton's been around for almost a decade now and probably want to see how they can market him.

Remember his first heel turn when Evolution threw him under the bus years ago? When he'd walk out with that generic gothic new age rock song, with a big smile on his face?

That didn't get him over as a face, especially since he's so good at being a heel.

Well this Viper gimmick is working and WWE is looking to stick with it, at least for now.

Again, not many big name faces in the 'E and it's saying something when John Morrison (whom I like) is involved in the Elimination Chamber.
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