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Old 05-31-2013, 08:54 PM   #1
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It's weird that the two opposing camps have literally zero common ground on this guy.

It's like we're in the Discussion Forum.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:58 PM   #2
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Nobody on the show even remotely appreciates Orton.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:00 PM   #3
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Nobody on the show even remotely appreciates Orton.
We'll have to get somebody in to do a guest spot each episode, defending whatever atrocity Orton committed that week.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:07 PM   #4
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I just don't think he's good. Dunno.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:10 PM   #5
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I think Orton was good back in 09-11 now he's stale and he works better as a heel. Don't know why all the vitriol for him though. It's not like he's Cena.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:19 PM   #6
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As a face he was fucking money in the Christian feud and in the Mark Henry feud. If you want a good example of how amazing Orton is in the ring just look at those Mark Henry matches. The one where he lost the title and the Hell in a Cell rematch. Probably the best matches Mark Henry has ever had. I can't even think of a close third. Instead of Henry just looking like a generic monster they actually put on matches that made it seem like Orton was a stud but just couldn't quite overcome. It was awesome storytelling. Storytelling you can't find most of the time in today's WWE where every match is basically the same.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:29 AM   #7
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I have been bored by Orton in the past, but when you hear people in the business who know their shit talk, they pretty much all drool over what Orton does. And you can't argue that he is ridiculously over. Whether or not you agree with the reasoning behind it, smart money would be to bottle whatever it is Orton has and try to make money off it.

I've heard people talk about how Orton has been "phoning it in" lately, but the guy hasn't really had too much of a program to work with. And that's probably largely in part due to him being one bad test away from being fired and becoming TNA's star attraction. Now it seems like there is more of a plan to use Orton constructively, and he's been on fire these past couple of weeks as he's been put with Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Daniel Bryan, Kane and The Shield. I don't think the company should put a World Title on him, but I do think that he could be used to get a World Champion like a Dolph Ziggler over. People are saying that Orton vs. Sheamus is probably going to happen at SummerSlam, but I kind of think that would be a bad move, because Orton is so over I can't see people cheering Sheamus over him. Ziggler vs. Orton makes pretty good sense as a World Title match, though.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:53 AM   #8
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The whole Orton thing is honestly really frustrating to me, because I legitimately do not see what everyone sees in this guy. I've never seen a Randy Orton match that's had me on the edge of my seat, or heard a Randy Orton promo that's made me want to fork over money for the Pay-Per-View. And yet, everyone keeps going on and on about how great he is in the ring.

But what exactly does he do that's so great? He doesn't have a particularly good mat game, he's not agile enough to do high-flying stuff, he's not big enough to have a convincing power-move set, and most of his signatures look sloppy and weak (and I fucking hate that elevated DDT; seriously, all you have to do is put your feet down--gravity is doing half the work for you). So he's just got this bland prototypical "WWE Main Event" style that doesn't really excel in any one particular area. Granted, he's not glaringly bad at that apart from the occasional horrendously botched spot, but if all he's good at is the inoffensive formulaic lowest-common-denominator style, then I don't see why I should want to see him over someone who actually brings something unique into the ring.

And as has been said before, he's awful on the mic.

So what exactly am I missing here? How is this guy getting massive pops and being "naturally over" for, from what I can tell, no goddamn reason? I'm legitimately confused by it, and have been pretty much ever since he first showed up.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:32 AM   #9
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I agree with everything Afterlife said, but I have no intention of fruitlessly arguing against the tide of, what I perceive to be, blindness.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:34 AM   #10
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:35 AM   #11
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I feel exactly the same way about podcasts where I disagree with everything the guys say. Nature of the beast.
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Anyone who bitches about the way Randy Orton sounds when he cuts a promo better not be a Cody Rhodes fan.
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I love Cody Rhodes on the mic, but not that fond of Orton's promos. It's not that he's bad. He's pretty confident and when he's not talking...slowly...all...the...time there's absolutely nothing atrocious about him. He's a clear talker and could get the point across and fill the time with a mic. Rhodes is really great on the mic. Some of his stuff has been fantastic over the years, and not just as deranged Cody. His more cheeky stuff recently has been decent.
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I love Cody Rhodes on the mic, but not that fond of Orton's promos. It's not that he's bad. He's pretty confident and when he's not talking...slowly...all...the...time there's absolutely nothing atrocious about him.
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So it bothers you when someone is taaalkinnng sllowwwwllyyy allll thheeee timmmme onnn theeee miiiiiiiic, huuuuuh?

Yeah, hate when Orton does it. So glaaaaad Cody dooooesn't taaaalk slooooow ooonnnn theeeee miiiiiic liiiiiiike thiiiiiissssss.
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Cody has a glorious mustache, so that's a major point in his favor.
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So it bothers you when someone is taaalkinnng sllowwwwllyyy allll thheeee timmmme onnn theeee miiiiiiiic, huuuuuh?

Yeah, hate when Orton does it. So glaaaaad Cody dooooesn't taaaalk slooooow ooonnnn theeeee miiiiiic liiiiiiike thiiiiiissssss.
But Cody doesn't...

Maybe when he was a deranged heel. It worked for that character. You're comparing Coke and Pepsi.
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But Cody doesn't...

Maybe when he was a deranged heel. It worked for that character. You're comparing Coke and Pepsi.
Holy shit, what!? lol

Yes, he talked slow as fuck when he was doing the same gimmick that everyone praises as when he was at his best. The only time he was really getting significant mic time, by the way.



You might as well call him "Cody Orton". If you can seriously watch that promo and praise Cody while bitching about Orton talking slow, it's the most blatant evidence of "I want to hate Orton so I will call anything he does a 'flaw' while ignoring when others do it." It's retarded. Consistency. Either hate when everyone does it or don't give a fuck about it at all. lol

P.S. Coke and Pepsi pretty much taste the exact same. So... yeah. Good analogy for what I'm saying. I'd even go a step further and say I'm comparing Coke and Coke. They're the exact same thing. They boooothhh taaaalk liiike thiiiiis yet somehow one is acceptable and the other is not.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:58 PM   #18
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So it bothers you when someone is taaalkinnng sllowwwwllyyy allll thheeee timmmme onnn theeee miiiiiiiic, huuuuuh?

Yeah, hate when Orton does it. So glaaaaad Cody dooooesn't taaaalk slooooow ooonnnn theeeee miiiiiic liiiiiiike thiiiiiissssss.
Yeah...what the fuck are you talking about? Cody doesn't talk slowly on the mic, and even when he was more "methodical" with the mask gimmick - he was still talking faster than Randy Orton.
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Randy Orton needs to shake things up and become a cocky heel who can talk at more than three words per minute. Grow his hair out too.
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Finally finished this. Very entertaining listen, guys. Excited to hear future installments.
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Even if you had shown me Randy Orton as World Champion in 2004, I still wouldn't believe you if you had told me that Orton would eventually come a slow, methodical, cold-blooded badass known for being someone you just don't fuck with. Orton was a cocky, arrogant, braggart, more like a Dolph Ziggler than a Stone Cold Steve Austin when he originally rose to the top. Orton had to run away from Evolution when they turned on him because there was no way anyone would buy him being able to stand toe-to-toe with them. How things change?
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Orton has been around long enough while a bunch of guys with no personality have come and failed. That's a big part of the reason why he's believable as a guy you don't fuck with now. He got over in a more impressive era and now he's on a different level than the rest of the roster.
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... Did you listen to either of those promos!?!?!?

At BEST for Cody, they're on the same exact stride. lol

And if you wanna try to go with "Well... it fit his character but doesn't fit Randy's", they're both justified within their methodical characters and both (At least I think with Cody's case. I can't remember much from him on the mic lately.) have cut faster-paced promos when the character saw fit.

I don't mind either one for their slow delivery. But like I said, you gotta be consistent. And if you can watch those two promos and find Rhodes to be acceptable and Orton to be somehow flawed in it, I can't see how you just aren't just set in your way.
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The more I think about it, I seriously feel like Rhodes could have gotten his delivery style during that time FROM Orton.
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Rhodes has learned a lot from Orton. You see it in his ring style and, yes, he has cut "serious" promos. I just don't agree with you on the pacing. Rhodes is more pausing for dramatic effect and, you know, talking in sentences? Orton is pausing for dramatic effect, alright. In my opinion -- you can disagree, but don't go calling it inconsistent. As I said -- they're Coke and Pepsi.
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Actually the way he says every word the same, he sounds more like that character Will Ferrell did where he couldn't control the pitch or volume of his voice. Just with his pacing slowed down.
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Cody Rhodes would like: "Put that bag...over your head."

Randy Orton would be like: "Put...that bag...over...your head."

And that's exaggerating the pause for Rhodes.
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No...

Cody would be like: "Put that baaaag. Overr yourrr heead."

I'm not just referring to the pauses. I'm referring to the fact that he sooouuunnds like hee's sayyying thinnngs is slooowww moootionnn.
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So, your argument is that when a character does something, it's just as a bad as when an inconsistent mess does something good?
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So, your argument is that when a character does something, it's just as a bad as when an inconsistent mess does something good?
... Well that didn't make any sense.
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Essentially.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:41 AM   #33
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I can't think of a time I've agreed with a #1-wwf-fan post.

Just putting that out there.
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Clearly you should re-evaluate your views on wrestling then.
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Wait... So does that mean Afterlife's post DID make sense to you? You should explain it then.
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I'm sorry, but you seem to be utterly wrong about everything you've ever allowed to travel from your brain to your keyboard.

Afterlife's post makes sense, but he's being intentionally convoluted, to better illustrate the absurdity of your stance.
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I'm sorry, but you seem to be utterly wrong about everything you've ever allowed to travel from your brain to your keyboard.
Yet somehow Randy Orton continues to be a bigger star than nearly the entire roster.

I guess I'll go ahead and be "wrong" along with most of the fans and Vince McMahon on that one.
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Yet somehow Randy Orton continues to be a bigger star than nearly the entire roster.

And the Michael Bay Transformers movies make hundreds of millions of dollars. "Popular" does not equate to "good."
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And the Michael Bay Transformers movies make hundreds of millions of dollars. "Popular" does not equate to "good."
And there are definitely people who find whatever movie you probably swear is amazing to be a pile of shit. So clearly you're wrong there.
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Feel free.

I'm not going to endlessly repeat the reasons, already given in this thread, that Orton is really bad at his job. It's a waste of time, because nobody's mind will be changed.
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