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Old 06-07-2011, 07:04 PM   #41
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:05 PM   #42
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I think the basic point of my essay (written in 2007) is (this is not a quote):

The IWC likes to feel "exclusive" and position themselves opposite of "marks", and for the past few years opposite of the very product they watch. They use their insider knowledge, terms, and historical knowledge of wrestling to discuss and dissect the programming. Suggest what they would do, how they would change it, and so forth.

But paradoxically, what they all strive for is a moment in which they "mark out". Where they don't necessarily know what is going to happen, or the talent draws them in like "the old days" and they forget the outcome is fixed. So while positioning themselves as anti-"marks", they all want to return to being a "mark", if even for a brief instant.

Which leads me to add onto that with today's changes...

James Steele is right, and an IWC Counter-Culture has arised where they look down on the IWC as well. I think they mainly also want to return to "watching without thinking" and like to throw around terms as "INSIGNIFICANT" and "MOOT" to describe what the IWC wants. They want to "STOP LIVING IN THE PAST" and appreciate the present product for what it is.
I 100% agree with this. Well said LJ.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:33 PM   #43
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I guess I'm falling into the Counter Culture category but I don't think that is an accurate description on how I feel. I spent time not watching wrestling in the past decade because it was really hit or miss for me and mostly miss, however though reading about wrestling and posting on TPWW and so forth, being a part of the IWC was a part of my online habits. So I keept that up when I was watching or not.

The past few years I have really enjoyed WWE on a fairly consistent basis because the product has been better, but also because I stopped watching as a critic and started to be a fan again.

So now I promote the idea to other unhappy IWC guys who are wasting time talking about wrestling but not enjoying it to consciously change the way you think when you watch wrestling to get involved in the story, not your fantasy booking.

This is all.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:44 PM   #44
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The IWC is IMO all of the fans, smarks, and asshats who come online and talk about the product aka all the rejects like us at TPWW
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:17 PM   #45
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I would say the IWC is like any online Community. Some people go to forums to discuss politics, sports, or the weather outside. Are we as IWC members bad for the product, no, we are just here stating our feelings towards it, what we think could have went better, or what sucked. The IWC is no better/worse than a local sports teams followers that go online to discuss the progress of the team.
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:27 PM   #46
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Old 06-08-2011, 06:50 PM   #47
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Ya there is a huge difference with being a fan of something that is scripted.
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Old 06-08-2011, 06:52 PM   #48
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:42 PM   #49
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:56 PM   #50
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What's really sad is someone who doesn't like wrestling, doesn't watch wrestling but still needs to come on TPWW and trolly the forums to make himself feel cool. Gertner.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:05 PM   #51
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...I've heard some people refer to the "YWC"...is this the same as the "IWC" or...something else?
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:24 PM   #52
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What's really sad is someone who doesn't like wrestling, doesn't watch wrestling but still needs to come on TPWW and trolly the forums to make himself feel cool. Gertner.
Pretty sure Gertner has a legit interest/passion for wrestling/'knows his shit' more than a lot of people here, he just enjoys winding people up more.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:29 PM   #53
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...I've heard some people refer to the "YWC"...is this the same as the "IWC" or...something else?
No thats the YMCA, totally different
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:30 PM   #54
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Pretty sure Gertner has a legit interest/passion for wrestling/'knows his shit' more than a lot of people here, he just enjoys winding people up more.

Always gotta be somebody.
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:30 AM   #55
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Sports are real, wrestling is fake. There's a difference.
Movies are fake. People still discuss them online to minute detail. Some people are even paid to critique films, y'know.
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:25 AM   #56
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:23 AM   #57
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Movies are fake. People still discuss them online to minute detail. Some people are even paid to critique films, y'know.
I put movies in the same category as wrestling. Sports are different.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:46 PM   #58
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That is part of the negative stigma of wrestling. Much of the general public doesn't see it as "scripted entertainment" they see it as a "fake sport".

And cheating at sports is a big no-no and angers everybody, so naturally they hate a "fake sport".
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:18 PM   #59
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that's' why i believe that many people don't like wrestling, they think that the wrestling promotions are trying to pull the wool over their eyes and think of wrestling fans as fools because they are 'falling for it'

i mean we've all heard this right

do you like wrestling?

no

why not?

because it's fake




in short, we need more smarks
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:21 PM   #60
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:57 PM   #62
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Not when you have Fantasy (insert random sport) Leagues.

It's the same damn you. THE SAME
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