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Old 07-03-2011, 09:36 PM   #41
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While Orton and Foley "raised the the roof", so to speak, I still feel Edge and Foley blew the damn thing off.
I enjoyed both matches, but I just felt that the vs Orton match had a much better story behind it and the match flowed really nicely. Everything about it was perfectly done and it made me wince a few times. The match vs Edge was great, but it kind of felt forced and not as natural as the match at Backlash.

In other words, your opinion is wrong, and you are dumb.



Also, I think I remember watching Shane vs Kurt Angle from KOTR with a non-wrestling fan and it had them pretty glued to the screen for the duration of the match. Who doesn't like seeing someone get suplexed through plate glass windows? That shit is awesome.
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Old 07-03-2011, 09:49 PM   #42
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or suplexed INTO a window, AMIRITE!!?!?!?!?

I think it'd be easier to follow a storyline than a match as art. If it's just a match all they have is the in ring action. However, the storyline behind the match, on the other end, that's where the magic happens.
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Old 07-03-2011, 09:54 PM   #43
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Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat, best 2 out of 3 falls, 1989. That's art.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:06 PM   #44
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Bret Hart v. Stone Cold @ Wrestlemania 13. The double turn in the match is one of the best stories ever told in the ring. If you're going to convince someone that fake combat can be an art form, it has to be able to tell a fantastic story...and that's about the best its ever gotten.
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Old 07-04-2011, 05:07 AM   #47
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Hart vs. Angle. Match was fucking phenomenal.
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The Undertaker vs Mankind, HiAC. It has all the elements you need. A good story, great action, drama, and of course seeing Mick Foley getting tossed off the cell.
Both would be awesome to show a non fan who im assuming is thinking "ugh wrestling, thats so gay and fake, men in their underwear touchin eachothers balls bla blah". A match with a good story wouldn't matter at all i reckon

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Old 07-04-2011, 05:19 AM   #49
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And wrestling is an art form, in this day and age anything that is performed well be it a band, a type of dance, a painting, a poem, a fucking gymnast etc it is all declared 'art' by most people.
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art/ärt/Noun
1. The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
2. Works produced by such skill and imagination.

Yes. It qualifies, quit bitching.
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Old 07-04-2011, 07:02 AM   #51
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It's not a fucking art form. Stop it.
I read a story this week where it was pointed out that black is in fact white. :foc:
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:04 AM   #53
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I was at that and it wasn't that good. So try again with another obscure event. Wooooo obscure rasslin!!
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Also, rasslin isn't art. It's pro fucking rasslin! Art is for people like seth82 if you know what I mean.
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Yes. It qualifies, quit bitching.
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Also, rasslin isn't art. It's pro fucking rasslin! Art is for people like seth82 if you know what I mean.
Im guessing you're trolling but if its a case that you are deeply retarded or just dumb then iv posted these together to make it nice and easy for you to understand. Have a little look up there good lad
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:19 AM   #56
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Rasslin ain't art jabroni. By that definition anything is art. Wooooo!
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:26 AM   #57
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Yeah exactly, every skill is an art form.

And despite the facts proving that you are 100% wrong you still argue. So yeah, im out this bitch. Somebody else can have you. And it feels like warm apple pie cos im sure you are wondering
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:50 AM   #58
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I wouldn't show any prospective fan a Chris Benoit match (aside from the fact that i hated everything about him pre-murders and he's a household name now because of said murders) but because he wrestled ugly. Watching him force people into his finisher was so awful. Watching 10, 30 or 50 german suplexes was boring. wrestling should look pretty and cool esp a wrestlers finish (eg Swanton, SSP, RKO, Sweet Chin Music, Tombstone, Pedigree). Just my opinion tho
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I wouldn't show any prospective fan a Chris Benoit match (aside from the fact that i hated everything about him pre-murders and he's a household name now because of said murders) but because he wrestled ugly. Watching him force people into his finisher was so awful. Watching 10, 30 or 50 german suplexes was boring. wrestling should look pretty and cool esp a wrestlers finish (eg Swanton, SSP, RKO, Sweet Chin Music, Tombstone, Pedigree). Just my opinion tho
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My favorite artist of all time has to be Mantaur or Bastion Booger.
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0 because wrestling is not an art.
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Hey, im currently jobbing to you Ruien. But yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes it is art. It simply is and its a fuckin fact. Unbelievable. Some of you would happily argue black is white. And you will convince yourselves you're right. Amazing stuff. So why isn't it art? Is it not a visual form of creative skill?
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It's not an art form. Fuck, I hate when people try to make this crap out to be more than what it really is: mindless entertainment.
 
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Yeah it's pro rasslin it's not art. If rasslin is art then Great Khali promos are poetry.
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Royal Rumble 1992 (the one that Flair won) - I'd most likely show this match to anybody who gave me that ultimatum, though I think loopydate made a really good point on page 1 about making someone sit through an hour+ match - but with a Rumble, it's not like you're sitting there and watching 2 guys counterwrestle for an hour. There's a great cross-section of classic guys involved in this one, you get Flair of coarse, Piper, Hogan, Bulldog, and about 20 other guys who were all on top of their game that night. I'm not sure about explaining the gimmicks of Barbarian and Nasty Boy Jerry Sags a non-fan, tho >_>

I'd consider any of the matches Chigusa Nagano and Jaguar Yokota had in the 80's if it was a dude. I'm sure 2 tanned, incredibly fit women in swimsuits throwing each other around in complicated holds would be able to keep any guy's interest for 15 minutes.
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It's not an art form. Fuck, I hate when people try to make this crap out to be more than what it really is: mindless entertainment.
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Yeah it's pro rasslin it's not art. If rasslin is art then Great Khali promos are poetry.
I get it now, you guys just dont understand what the word means. Its funny how you will maintain ignorance tho. Usually when people dont understand something they deny it to the ends of the earth because the idea sounds so foreign and therefore its unacceptable. Someday you guys will grow up though. Taker It Easy
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Tell a wrestler that their expertly perfected trade that they dedicated their lives to is 'mindless entertainment' and see how far you get
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Bret Hart v. Stone Cold @ Wrestlemania 13. The double turn in the match is one of the best stories ever told in the ring. If you're going to convince someone that fake combat can be an art form, it has to be able to tell a fantastic story...and that's about the best its ever gotten.
This.

ARTISTIC COMBAT at its finest.
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ARTISTIC COMBAT at its finest.



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I do not consider baseball an art.
I do not consider basketball an art.
I do not consider football an art.
I do not consider hockey/soccer/tennis/bowling/fishing an art.
I do not consider wrestling an art.
I do not consider hunting an art.

If you go on the "visual form of creative skill", then how come no one considers any sport an art? The way Carl Everett swung the baseball bat was creative skill, but it was not art. In reality, that argument basically makes everything in life an art.
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Professional wrestling is a performance art. It's often corny, often low-brow, riddled with homosexual overtones and followed by a large amount of spastics but a performance art nonetheless. It's acting, it's performing, it's dancing, it's showmanship, it's conflict and resolution, it's a soap opera. Only with a stigma attached to it.
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Rasslin isn't art but it is fucking serious business. Real fucking serious. Wooooo!
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shisen kopf is a trolling jerkoff but its artistic the way he trolls
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Yes I bet an artist would be pissed that some nitwits are calling rasslin art. Van Gogh, Davinci, Cena!
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on some small artsy forum populated by struggling actors and artists with too much time spent on said forum, quite possibly. Right analogy anyway.
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Yes I bet an artist would be pissed that some nitwits are calling rasslin art. Van Gogh, Davinci, Cena!
See i fucking new this. Art doesn't just mean picking up a fucking paintbrush you left testicle
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and he neg repped me too. Fucking moronic jizzrag doesn't even cover it
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