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Old 08-07-2011, 03:48 PM   #41
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Winning and getting a pinfall are clearly two different things. How does he "benefit" from being called inferior to Orton on a weekly basis? If anything, it makes it that much tougher for him to be taken seriously. Even the way he won the belt is an effort to make him look like a joke of a champion.
Why does he have to be taken seriously? He's a HEEL champion. Also, does it not matter that he wins pretty much all of his other matches via pinfall?
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I dunno... two World Championship reigns is a lot more than Charlie Haas ever got.
Give it some time. He'll be back.
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:52 PM   #43
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:19 AM   #44
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The crowd is supposed to boo Christian. That doesn't happen when he wins a respectable contest in a convincing fashion. That would just make the crowd respect him.

And who cares if Christian is a placeholder champion? He's still a champion, which is a lot more than a lot of people have gotten the chance to say. Your "knowledge" of "inner-workings" is "bullshit". I'm all for some one playing the devil's advocate in a thread to generate conversation, but you don't have any legs to stand on here, my friend.
Agree on everything here. (Also find it funny that ccm criticizes others for talking about the "inner workings of WWE", then does it himself)

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My whole point was that Christian being pushed as inferior to Orton in any context is a joke in itself. And I'm not ignoring patterns here. If you were paying any attention to Christian, you'd know he's been booked as inferior even as a face. What about his loss to Ezekiel Jackson for the ECW Title on the last ECW? Or his loss to Orton, 2 FUCKING DAYS AFTER WINNING IT??? The last I checked, he was still face during that time, thus I would have the same argument. I can't see why you are ignoring the obvious. Christian is booked as a shitty competitor on any level. Even in ECW, he was holding a mid card title and not a top tier belt. And now that he's in the ME, he's still being screwed over. Basically, you are talking semantics as far as I'm concerned.
And you're NOT looking at this like a mark?
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:21 AM   #45
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And before you come in here with your "Look here's XL again, adding nothing to the topic", AbT has it pretty much covered and I don't think having two people tell you the same thing will make you understand it any better.
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:23 AM   #46
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Adding nothing to a topic is my gimmick XL. :foc:
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:55 AM   #47
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Old 08-08-2011, 10:19 AM   #48
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I've loved this fued from the get go.

Yes, Christian losing the belt "5 days" after winning was somewhat of a letdown but I was open to the idea of it going somewhere. And it did.

The matches have been great, Christian becoming more heelish over the weeks was good, I like the fact that there are shades of grey in the fued - Christian had legit gripes with the results of the matches/Orton isn't a goody-two-shoes babyface.

I almost feel bad for those that don't watch SmackDown, but they have the option so fuck 'em.

This angle is a true testament to waiting to see what happens before we bitch (in reference to Christian's short run/heel turn).
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Somewhere Ric Flair is sitting by himself in a corner wishing he could go back in time and be booked as a more dominant heel champion. Then people might have respected him.

But yeah this feud has been excellent. Was thinking Summerslam has to be the blowoff but having it end at HIAC does sound like a good idea.
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Old 08-08-2011, 11:21 AM   #50
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It'll be interesting to see what they do with these two once the feud is over.

Work their way up to Christian v Sheamus and Orton v Barrett maybe? Or Orton v Rhodes/DiBiase?
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:12 PM   #51
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Agree on everything here. (Also find it funny that ccm criticizes others for talking about the "inner workings of WWE", then does it himself)
No, I think that fans too often try to judge wrestling like they have some insider knowledge of how the business works. Hell, even I'm guilty of the same thing. It's one reason I think the internet has affected pro wrestling negatively. Every opinion is stated as fact and every egotistical fan tries to make it seem as though they know more about wrestling than the wrestlers themselves. Which I'm pretty sure is the reason wrestlers have such a low opinion of fans to begin with.

I also think ppl accusing me of "marking out" is a lame cop out. At some point, everyone does it. Convient to try and label me a mark, then hide behind the same premise to avoid explaining why you like something or someone. That is why talking intelligently about wrestling is next to impossible on a wrestling forum. Ignorant fans flame ppl and name call anyone who doesn't agree with them or mark out for the same things. All to appease their self righteous opinions and make themselves feel better about "owning" a newbie rather than discussing anything objectively.


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And you're NOT looking at this like a mark?
Again, I say anyone who's seen Christian's WWE career has to notice they've always booked him poorly. He's always been made to look like a fluke champion or confined to a mid card comedy routine. It has absolutely nothing to do with him being heel or face.

You think other heels like HHH, Orton, and Edge were made to look inferior to their face counterparts? No, they always took advantage of their heel tactics and prevailed over their adversaries. While using a cowardly persona works effectively to draw heat, it also makes Christian look extremely weak. Especially when on a weekly basis we're reminded Christian cannot defeat Orton one on one cleanly. If you can't understand his booking is making his character look bad, then I'm wasting time and effort here....
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:40 PM   #52
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Bro, you're clearly a Christian mark. Dunno why you're so standoffish about it though. Being a mark is what makes wresting fun.

But you're blurring the lines between the subjective (what you want to happen) and the objective (what needs to happen). You seem to be in a position where the only way you'll be happy is if Christian is booked like s strong champion. And you're looking at it like that's the only logical option here. But it's not. It's just what you as a Christian fan want to see happen.

But what does Randy Orton fan say about this? Randy Orton fan says if Christian goes over Orton is makes Orton look weak. It makes the #2 guy in the company (no pun intended even though it's an awesome poop joke) look beatable. Randy Orton fan thinks the bookers have no idea what they are doing. Now Randy Orton fan thinks WWE is shitty and needs to go back to the Attitude Era and end PG and all the stuff Christian fan has been spouting for years.

Just try to look at this with a little objectivity is alls I'm sayin. And also it's ok to be a mark.
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I could see Orton/Christian at Summerslam having a really cluster finish. Interference by Henry, then Sheamus runs down and cleans house, meanwhile Christian picks up some sort of scraps to pin Orton. Then at NOC you have a Fatal Four Way to freshen up the feud with Christian going over yet again, and then you finish up with Orton/Christian in HIAC with Orton more than likely regaining.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:59 PM   #54
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Also, not sure if it was just that certain city, or if it was just Orton's 'overness', but during that tag match last week on Smackdown, when Orton got the tag in and finally got his hands on Christian the crowd wents nuts. Really got me into how great this feud is.
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Bro, you're clearly a Christian mark. Dunno why you're so standoffish about it though. Being a mark is what makes wresting fun.

But you're blurring the lines between the subjective (what you want to happen) and the objective (what needs to happen). You seem to be in a position where the only way you'll be happy is if Christian is booked like s strong champion. And you're looking at it like that's the only logical option here. But it's not. It's just what you as a Christian fan want to see happen.

But what does Randy Orton fan say about this? Randy Orton fan says if Christian goes over Orton is makes Orton look weak. It makes the #2 guy in the company (no pun intended even though it's an awesome poop joke) look beatable. Randy Orton fan thinks the bookers have no idea what they are doing. Now Randy Orton fan thinks WWE is shitty and needs to go back to the Attitude Era and end PG and all the stuff Christian fan has been spouting for years.

Just try to look at this with a little objectivity is alls I'm sayin. And also it's ok to be a mark.
You clearly haven't been reading. CCM is the ONLY guy being objective on this whole forum.
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You clearly haven't been reading. CCM is the ONLY guy being objective on this whole forum.

Yeah, b/c you're so awesome sense of humor and brilliant posts add so much to every discussion.

Clearly, no one here thinks Christian is being misused, which I disagree with. Putting over the fact he can't beat Orton is another form of burying his character. WWE hasn't exactly done a stellar job of making Christian look like an opportunist. His character doesn't have to look weak in order to get over as a heel.
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WWE hasn't exactly done a stellar job of making Christian look like an opportunist.
Did you watch Money in the Bank?
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Yeah, b/c you're so awesome sense of humor and brilliant posts add so much to every discussion.

Clearly, no one here thinks Christian is being misused, which I disagree with. Putting over the fact he can't beat Orton is another form of burying his character. WWE hasn't exactly done a stellar job of making Christian look like an opportunist. His character doesn't have to look weak in order to get over as a heel.
Would you rather him try and be the played-out cool heel?
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:01 PM   #59
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Yeah, b/c you're so awesome sense of humor and brilliant posts add so much to every discussion.

Clearly, no one here thinks Christian is being misused, which I disagree with. Putting over the fact he can't beat Orton is another form of burying his character. WWE hasn't exactly done a stellar job of making Christian look like an opportunist. His character doesn't have to look weak in order to get over as a heel.
You still are in the thinking that the way you want it is the only possible option. And I don't know how to make you see this but that's just simply not true. The writers decided to take this direction and book Christian's character in this way. And most of us, even the hardcore Christian marks are just sitting back and watching some great television and enjoying what's going on.

Again, just because something CAN be done differently doesn't mean it HAS to be. And all you're doing by pouting about Christian looking weak is missing all the good stuff while your boy is WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.
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You still are in the thinking that the way you want it is the only possible option. And I don't know how to make you see this but that's just simply not true. The writers decided to take this direction and book Christian's character in this way. And most of us, even the hardcore Christian marks are just sitting back and watching some great television and enjoying what's going on.

Again, just because something CAN be done differently doesn't mean it HAS to be. And all you're doing by pouting about Christian looking weak is missing all the good stuff while your boy is WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.
There's a difference between not liking the way Christian is booked and saying it's the only option. Though I'm not a fan of his character now, I do think it's a unique approach. Although what it accomplishes as far as making him look like a strong and credible champion is debateable. I personally don't see why he has to be booked as a weak champion. Guys like HHH, Edge and Orton are good examples of heel champs that were cowardly heels, but dominating when it was needed(or in big matches where it counted). In Christian's case, it seems to me that his character is too often booked as a guy that can't use his heel tactics to gain a pinoff cleanly one on one with Orton.

Again, I do think it's interesting the way his character is being booked now, but at the same time I can't agree with it. If other heels can be strong heels, why can't Christian??? I know I for one am tired of seeing them put over the fact week after week that he hasn't beat Orton cleanly. I'm sure others agree though, cause the uproar the WWE Universe had once he lost the belt says to me that ppl care how he's booked. Especially when he gets shafted for not being the biggest guy on the roster.
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Did you watch Money in the Bank?
I don't really consider that using him properly either though. Yeah, he looked strong in that match, but even that undermined his credibility. He beat Del Rio, a guy that WWE has waffled on making champion a half dozen times. On top of that, he lost the belt two days after winning the belt. And now he's being billed as a guy who can't defeat Orton, as if turning heel gave him no edge in the fued at all. Which to me says they don't really believe in him as a top guy.

Might not be the popular consensus here, but I honestly think he could be booked a hell of a lot stronger. WWE has botched almost every instance of using Christian as a main eventer.
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So Edge, Triple H, and Randy Orton are your examples of heels. Now let's get two more examples: Ric Flair and Chris Jericho. Two guys who were ALWAYS chicken shit heels. Two guys who were ALWAYS booked to look like cowards who could only beat top faces by cheating. And you know what? They were fucking AWESOME. They were two of the best heels in the history of pro wrestling. And guess who cares about the number of clean victories they got? NOBODY
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If you would have told me that two guys would have a world title match on free TV followed by 4 consecutive PPVs without even having a "special" match until the 5th time they faced off, I'd say horrible.

But these two have me wanting them to find a way to go a 5th, 6th match for the title. This has been stellar.
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:58 PM   #64
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So Edge, Triple H, and Randy Orton are your examples of heels. Now let's get two more examples: Ric Flair and Chris Jericho. Two guys who were ALWAYS chicken shit heels. Two guys who were ALWAYS booked to look like cowards who could only beat top faces by cheating. And you know what? They were fucking AWESOME. They were two of the best heels in the history of pro wrestling. And guess who cares about the number of clean victories they got? NOBODY
I guess my whole point above was completely lost to you. My point was it's ok to be a cowardly heel, but also to be dominating when it comes down to it. HHH, Edge, Orton, Jericho and Flair are all great examples of guys that were booked properly. They could be chicken shit heels. but totally kick your ass when it was necessary for their characters. That's the element Christian's character really never got from a booking standpoint IMO.

I think you are misinterpreting my main beef here. Not that he's a bad heel, but more that WWE books him as a non threat to Orton(at least beating him cleanly when the title is on the line). Using every stipulation and loophole is awesome for drawing heat, but if it isn't used to set up a pinfall to retain the belt, what is the point? Otherwise, it's cheap heat and does little to make him look like a champion capable of being in Orton's league. Suggesting that he shouldn't even be wrestling Orton for the belt, which again is ludicrous. I just get tired of them claiming Christian isn't capable of beating Orton.

Him turning should have given his character more of an edge in this fued, but so far hasn't been totally capitalized on.
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None of the people you mentioned 'kicked peoples asses when it was necessary for their characters' when they were heels.

Flair ALWAYS got on his knees and begged for mercy. Chris Jericho had to cheat during his first title reign, and actually won it with help from Booker T. Triple H always had some kind of help from DX, Evolution or something else.

Of course, Christian can still 'kick ass when necessary'. He has won matches since turning heel, and has 'gotten the better of Randy Orton' in their matches, but he just hasn't been able to pin Orton clean.

This isn't making Christian look like a weak heel, it's booking Orton to be a strong face.
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Why would turning Christian give him an edge? If anything, he turned heel because he's a whiny little bitch who threw a tantrum when the fans screwed him over. That's his character. That's what he does. And he's great at it.

Who the fuck is going to take Christian seriously as a dominating heel? He weighs 190 lbs and is matched up with the guy with the best look in the company. It is what it is. Just enjoy it.
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I hope Christian pins Orton at SummerSlam so that once again TPWW (or in this case ccm) looks stupid for judging a storyline before it's completion.

Why can't we just enjoy the ride? My favourite wrestler is WHC, I don't care how he won it/retains it.
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I believe most of this is stuff I covered in the "can you buy Christian as a heel" thread. I'm not marking, I simply hate the way WWE pushed Christian as a filler champion. I actually think him cheating to win is a good idea, but not when he never gets a pinfall victory. If he's pushed as a guy that can't beat Orton, who honestly takes him seriously as champ? I know I for one don't think using his character as a punching bag for Orton is a good idea. After a certain point, the fued will go flat if Christian never uses his heel tactics as a way to defeat Orton for a 3 count.

Like I said before, WWE's track record with Christian being pushed strongly isn't great. So, I'm not surprized when he's booked as a fluke champion. It happened in 2005, and it's happening again now. Which again has nothing at all to do with him being heel or face. I'd say it has more to do with WWE dropping the ball with him. As far as my playing devil's advocate to generate conversation, I do that for a reason. Most here call someone names or flame them if they don't agree with them. In this case is disguised as someone like you thinking you know more about this subject than me. That is funny to me since it has nothing to do with marking out and more about lazy booking.
Christian's actually been booked really strong recently. He got to hand Sin Cara his first loss, he beat Sheamus, he's beaten Morrison and he's beaten Orton in multiple tag team matches. Plus, he has that shady loss to his name at Capitol Punishment.

Captain Charisma has essentially been the heel you want him to be -- he has proven time and time again that he's got the goods (even as a heel) inside the ring. Booker T, the super face commentator, even agrees that he's one of the most talented guys in the company -- and that's a direct line to intended mark thinking.

As many have already informed you, the WWE are protecting Randy Orton as a top babyface, and really putting him through the wringer en route to the World Heavyweight Title. That's where the money is, and the WWE have done a fantastic job of getting your average fan to believe that Orton can kill Christian -- but that slimy dude somehow finds a way to stay champion.

For some reason, I didn't even think of the possibility that Sheamus and Henry could get involved in the match, and that Christian retains leading to the suggested Fatal 4-Way at Night of Champions. Awesome.
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Why would turning Christian give him an edge? If anything, he turned heel because he's a whiny little bitch who threw a tantrum when the fans screwed him over. That's his character. That's what he does. And he's great at it.

Who the fuck is going to take Christian seriously as a dominating heel? He weighs 190 lbs and is matched up with the guy with the best look in the company. It is what it is. Just enjoy it.
In most cases, a wrestler turning heel gives them an advantage in the fued. His character is the cowardly, whiny guy, but that doesn't mean he has to be booked as inferior to Orton. To me, Christian being frustrated after losing the belt was the perfect opportunity to set him up to use dirty tactics to pin Orton once and for all. Especially after his heel turn started off so well with him nailing Orton with the WHC. As far as I'm concerned, not taking full advantage of him utilizing dirt tactics to pin Orton for the belt is lazy booking. Maybe not popular consensus here, but it's my opinion on it. It's not like I'm trying to change ppl's opinion. Which is ironic, since that seems to be what others are trying to do with me here...

Again, I think it's the streotypical 80's way of thinking to say cause he's 190 lbs, he can't dominate someone in a match. The size issue is always an easy excuse to book him shitty. Funny how no one ever claimed HBK, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Benoit or Eddie Guerrero couldn't be believable dominating forces. All were relatively similar in weight and height to Christian, but all were built up well despite their not being huge guys.

With size, it's not as though he has to toss Orton around like a ragdoll to be a dominating heel. Him utilizing dirty tactics and underhanded manuevers would be all the physicality he would need to be believable. Not like he has to destroy every big guy in WWE to be a convincing dominating heel.
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I hope Christian pins Orton at SummerSlam so that once again TPWW (or in this case ccm) looks stupid for judging a storyline before it's completion.

Why can't we just enjoy the ride? My favourite wrestler is WHC, I don't care how he won it/retains it.
It's very ignorant to say you hope Christian wins via pinfall just b/c you don't agree with me. And I'm judging this based on what we have seen so far. Once again though, simply b/c I don't mark out like everyone else for his character being booked badly, ppl react childishly.

Maybe you wanna mark out for everything WWE does, but if I think something sucks, I'm not gonna change my opinion to appease a few morons...
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:24 AM   #72
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So wait, having Christian bait Orton into getting himself disqualified so Christian wins the title is lazy booking, but if Christian would've just cheated and pinned Orton like we've seen millions of times before, that would've been ok?

And why in the world are you throwing out names like HBK, Bret and Owen who all were booked like cowards when they were heels. Owen Hart pretended to have a broken arm so he could wrestle with a cast on for fucks sake. Those guys were booked strong when they were faces. Christian was booked strong when he was a face too. I really have no idea what your complaint is here because Christian is being booked the exact same way as all of those guys.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:26 AM   #73
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Also can you drop the whole Me Against the World thing you've got going on please? It's really slowing down the conversation.
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srsly, nobody cares about your imaginary stance that only you have while everybody else apparently blindly marks for stuff, you're far from the first to post that same kind of stuff on these forums when they have their daft posts challenged
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So wait, having Christian bait Orton into getting himself disqualified so Christian wins the title is lazy booking, but if Christian would've just cheated and pinned Orton like we've seen millions of times before, that would've been ok?
Yeah, it would've made more sense with him turning heel. I'm assuming the whole reason Christian was turned was b/c in character he was frustrated that Orton beat him so easily. So, cheating to pin Orton makes a hell of alot more logical sense than winning via DQ. Otherwise, what was the point? If turning him gives him no edge and makes him look weaker, then it doesn't compute for me.

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And why in the world are you throwing out names like HBK, Bret and Owen who all were booked like cowards when they were heels. Owen Hart pretended to have a broken arm so he could wrestle with a cast on for fucks sake. Those guys were booked strong when they were faces. Christian was booked strong when he was a face too. I really have no idea what your complaint is here because Christian is being booked the exact same way as all of those guys.
Again, apparently my whole point here was lost to you. I threw those names out b/c you seem to be hung up on the size issue. None of the guys were huge, but were convincing when it came to being believably dominating against big guys. Saying that b/c Christian is small, he can't be a dominating heel is wrong IMO. There are ways of booking around that. The guys I listed were examples of smaller guys that were booked alot better than Christian....
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Supreme, clearly you're just marking out for everything WWE is doing.
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Also can you drop the whole Me Against the World thing you've got going on please? It's really slowing down the conversation.
Can you kiss my ass? I say that b/c guys like you seem to have a real problem with difference of opinion. Simply since I don't conform to what everyone else thinks here, ppl claim I don't know what I'm talking about. That is fucking laughable to me, b/c all I have done is point out the reasons I disagree with his character's booking. It's the main reason talking intelligently here is next to impossible. Marks here think it's ok to spread their propaganda, but when someone else disagrees, they resort to childish behavior. Like name calling or flaming to appease their egos and self righteous attitude. I never try to change ppl's opinions, but appatently others here take issue with me not jumping on the bandwagon of popular opinion...
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Apparently I watched a bunch of doctored matches in the 90s because I don't remember heel HBK and heel Owen Hart ever looking strong against bigger opponents. Maybe they got some offense in during matches but they only won against big names by cheating. That doesn't make them strong at all.

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Can you kiss my ass? I say that b/c guys like you seem to have a real problem with difference of opinion. Simply since I don't conform to what everyone else thinks here, ppl claim I don't know what I'm talking about. That is fucking laughable to me, b/c all I have done is point out the reasons I disagree with his character's booking. It's the main reason talking intelligently here is next to impossible. Marks here think it's ok to spread their propaganda, but when someone else disagrees, they resort to childish behavior. Like name calling or flaming to appease their egos and self righteous attitude. I never try to change ppl's opinions, but appatently others here take issue with me not jumping on the bandwagon of popular opinion...
once again, it has nothing to do with your difference of opinion/bandwagon jumping/people being sheep and so forth. These are figments of your imagination. There are plenty of people here that disagree on things, I personally disagree with people quite often only I don't backup my opinions and thoughts with nonsensical posts that consistently miss the point of even the most basic elements of pro wrestling and so forth. But as is always the case with posters like yourself, I guess everybody else is wrong or just doesn't get it and they're just ganging up on you because they don't like reading what you have to say and so forth.
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Can you kiss my ass? I say that b/c guys like you seem to have a real problem with difference of opinion. Simply since I don't conform to what everyone else thinks here, ppl claim I don't know what I'm talking about. That is fucking laughable to me, b/c all I have done is point out the reasons I disagree with his character's booking. It's the main reason talking intelligently here is next to impossible. Marks here think it's ok to spread their propaganda, but when someone else disagrees, they resort to childish behavior. Like name calling or flaming to appease their egos and self righteous attitude. I never try to change ppl's opinions, but appatently others here take issue with me not jumping on the bandwagon of popular opinion...
Will you relax? This is not worth getting worked up about. You're allowed to have an opinion, just like other people are allowed to have opinions that disagree with you.

Lots of people have unpopular opinions on here. Heck, I remember when that Iginfest guy went on a huge rant a few years ago because he wanted the Headbangers to be pushed as the next Road Warriors. But he didn't act like this when people disagreed with him. He moved on. Now hes a halfway decent poster. And you can be too. Just relax and have fun.
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