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Old 08-13-2011, 10:29 PM   #41
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Just to highlight something else, if Miz vs. Mysterio is added, it might be better off as a last minute thing. Rey already beat The Miz on an episode of Raw recently.

Same with Punk and Cena, although obviously this match has a lot more legs. I think it'd odd that they have matches on Raw that are/might get booked on a PPV that actually have pretty clean finishes.
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I agree. Part of the reason guys like Mark Henry do the "monster for a couple months, jobber to the stars. Monster for a couple months, jobber to the stars." thing is that after a little bit of squashing to make them look terrifying, they get put in the big match where they get beaten like everyone wants to see and then it's over. Same happens with every monster it seems. Squash matches are SO vital over a long span. It takes a long time to really get a monster heel over for good.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:39 PM   #43
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I could see Miz vs. Rey being added as a last-minute thing, and it winds up being for Rey's spot on RAW the next night.
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I wouldn't be adverse to shaving 10 mins from the WWE Title match to get an 8 man tag in.

Just have Miz question HHH why "The Most Must-See Superstar in WWE History" isn't on the card, then have Truth come in claiming it's a conspiracy, then ADR questioning why Mr Money in the Bank isn't featured and finally have Dolph say that he deserves to be on the show because he is undisputed US Champ. The 4 squabble, H says "Enough! You guys want a match? Get to the ring. Now!".

Then do Miz/Truth/Del Rio/Ziggler v Mysterio/Morrison/Kofi/Riley. Have both groups enter as teams to save time, 8 - 10 minute match.
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Just to highlight something else, if Miz vs. Mysterio is added, it might be better off as a last minute thing. Rey already beat The Miz on an episode of Raw recently.

Same with Punk and Cena, although obviously this match has a lot more legs. I think it'd odd that they have matches on Raw that are/might get booked on a PPV that actually have pretty clean finishes.
Morrison and R-Truth was a lock for SummerSlam in my mind. The build was already spectacular and WAY past the caliber needed to be a highlight of the 2nd biggest show of the year. I was all ready for it to be a selling point of the show.

Then the match happened on Raw the week before SS. And I saw how little WWE seems to care about Morrison right now.
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I wouldn't be adverse to shaving 10 mins from the WWE Title match to get an 8 man tag in.

Just have Miz question HHH why "The Most Must-See Superstar in WWE History" isn't on the card, then have Truth come in claiming it's a conspiracy, then ADR questioning why Mr Money in the Bank isn't featured and finally have Dolph say that he deserves to be on the show because he is undisputed US Champ. The 4 squabble, H says "Enough! You guys want a match? Get to the ring. Now!".

Then do Miz/Truth/Del Rio/Ziggler v Mysterio/Morrison/Kofi/Riley. Have both groups enter as teams to save time, 8 - 10 minute match.
Fucking hell, I didn't even consider the idea of Riley and Ziggler being added to the RAW tag match I've been talking about. That's a good idea, and it works beautifully. It'd be a fun match and continues storylines. I don't think they need to waste promo time with it. Just have the match happen.

I really wish Cee Lo Green weren't performing. That shit will take up useful time. I kind of hope Cody Rhodes or The Miz interrupts and tells him to fuck off.
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True, but there were so many guys on the show because there were two 8-man ladder matches. They didn't need build, those matches sold themselves. The second-biggest show of the year really only needs a handful of well-built matches, and this show has that.
I think what they have will be a good show, but it's just weird that until today only four matches were announced. just not used to seeing that, especially with Summerslam. They try to get a ton of guys on with Mania, so you would think they'd try to do the same with Summerslam.
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:04 PM   #48
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You could say they have all the well-built matches they NEED. But when you have SO many guys that are in the main event scene that have just kinda been forgotten about as far as SummerSlam build goes it just makes you wonder how much BETTER it could be. Like I said, the build for Morrison and Truth was done. Nothing else needed to be done to make it a big deal and yet another feature attraction of the show. Even if it ended with a clean Truth win in somewhat anti-climatic fashion, it would have been a great addition.
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:06 PM   #49
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I'm just saying it seems like they focused on Punk-Cena and said "Okay, build's over." Which in a way they were right because that sells the PPV alone. But there is EVEN MORE that could have been done with little to no effort. It's a little disappointing. They're stopping with an A- build when A+ is right there for the taking.
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John Morrison vs. R-Truth not being on the show slightly confuses me, to be honest. I really just think it's a timing thing. With Cee Lo Green performing, Orton vs. Christian likely to get a lot of time, the main event getting a lot of time and the WWE probably trying to drill into our heads how good a worker Daniel Bryan is (even to casual fans, I mean) -- the show really is quite stacked already. I think both World Title matches are likely to go over 20 minutes. Dare I say it, they might even each pass 30. Orton and Kane had an epic Street Fight on SmackDown! recently, and Christian is more of a marathon guy than Kane is.

Cena vs. Punk: 40 minutes
Orton vs. Christian: 35 minutes
Bryan vs. Barrett: 15 minutes
Sheamus vs. Henry: 10 minutes
Phoenix vs. Kelly: 10 minutes (I think they'll have Kelly put up a fight)
Cee Lo Green: 10 minutes

Keep in mind you usually have backstage interviews and promos to do, as well. But that's well over two hours of pure "show" content right there. And as we have been discussing, it's very likely that we'll have some sort of multi-man bonus match thrown onto the main card as a surprise opener. I really doubt the WWE will not have Rey Mysterio wrestle at the second biggest PPV of the year so close to his hometown, or that The Miz won't be on the card.
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I kinda feel the same way about this as I did for MITB. I didn't order it and caught it on a stream but the picture quality wasn't the greatest but I don't wanna drop money on something like this and not enjoy it. WWJD? Do i bother or not?
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I'm waiting for the WWE to build up my trust. If they keep booking this angle well, I may order WrestleMania next year.
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I gotta say WWE is suffering from WCW syndrome in promotion for this PPV, the card was on the backburner to building big ratings for Raw.
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Morrison and R-Truth was a lock for SummerSlam in my mind. The build was already spectacular and WAY past the caliber needed to be a highlight of the 2nd biggest show of the year. I was all ready for it to be a selling point of the show.

Then the match happened on Raw the week before SS. And I saw how little WWE seems to care about Morrison right now.
I agree. A lot of it apparently has to due with Morrison's behavior as it pertains to Melina though. I see Morrison as a star in the future with some work on his character. Just seems like it's not going to happen at this rate.
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I kinda feel the same way about this as I did for MITB. I didn't order it and caught it on a stream but the picture quality wasn't the greatest but I don't wanna drop money on something like this and not enjoy it. WWJD? Do i bother or not?
Just stream it. The stream I've been using that some guy had frequently posted in the stream group (was it BizzaroKing?) usually work great, with backup channels if one of them screws up.

As far as what Jesus would actually do, he's already been doing with Cena.
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I'm like not allowed in the stream group or something. They never approved me. Buncha racists!
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I wouldn't be adverse to shaving 10 mins from the WWE Title match to get an 8 man tag in.

Just have Miz question HHH why "The Most Must-See Superstar in WWE History" isn't on the card, then have Truth come in claiming it's a conspiracy, then ADR questioning why Mr Money in the Bank isn't featured and finally have Dolph say that he deserves to be on the show because he is undisputed US Champ. The 4 squabble, H says "Enough! You guys want a match? Get to the ring. Now!".

Then do Miz/Truth/Del Rio/Ziggler v Mysterio/Morrison/Kofi/Riley. Have both groups enter as teams to save time, 8 - 10 minute match.
That sounds decent enough to me. It includes everybody and the match would be fun.
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It also wouldn't resolve any of the seperate fueds, especially if you have, say, ADR pin Morrison.

On top of that, there's bad blood outside of the immediate fueds. Rey with Albert and recently Truth, Miz with Riley and Morrison, Ziggler with Kofi for example.
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