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Old 09-07-2011, 05:38 PM   #41
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This demonstrates that the WWE doesn't quite understand the internet yet. It looks terrible when they try to outsmart internet fans, who between them have a world of resources at their disposal, a large collective knowledge and years of experience.

They need to start entertaining the fans, like Zack Ryder, and stop trying to work the fans, like Matt Hardy.
of course it doesn't look terrible or demonstrate anything like that, by that logic every bit of kayfabe ever looks terrible. What's really terrible are the people that over-analyze things that are so small and meaningless.
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:40 PM   #42
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I donno guys. This seems pretty real to me.
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:47 PM   #43
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Ryan Clark is a waste of sperm. How is it sad that WWE is working the internet? It's smart in my book. It's not like you see WWE posting "suicide" videos on youtube to "work" the internet...
Now that would be sad...
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Old 09-07-2011, 06:13 PM   #44
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LOL you mad they fooled you, Ryan Clark? Haha
Next time someone asks the definition of "butt-hurt," this is the perfect example.
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Old 09-07-2011, 06:20 PM   #45
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It's a work. If Nash was released for real, he wouldn't be featured on their main news section .
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Old 09-07-2011, 06:21 PM   #46
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Of course it's a work did nobody catch JR questioning whether or not Laurinitis had more or less the some level of authority when him and Nash were leaving together in the limousine?
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:24 PM   #47
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This shows how stupid Ryan Clark is. First he announces the release. Then he follows up with the post that it's a work and Nash will return at Night of Champions along with his side comment that it's sad when the WWE tries to work the Internet, and now according to him the release is due to Nash filming a movie and the production company not wanting to insure him while he wrestles.

It's like when dude marked out at the Undertaker/Brock exchange and said it stemmed from backstage heat... then it was a work... then the truth came out that Taker was doing a bit of his own thing.
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:53 PM   #48
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This demonstrates that the WWE doesn't quite understand the internet yet. It looks terrible when they try to outsmart internet fans, who between them have a world of resources at their disposal, a large collective knowledge and years of experience.

They need to start entertaining the fans, like Zack Ryder, and stop trying to work the fans, like Matt Hardy.
I respectfully disagree:
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:57 PM   #49
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Old 09-07-2011, 10:46 PM   #50
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I respectfully disagree:
All this shows is that WWE occasionally has flashes of insight as to what is currently being demanded.
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:25 PM   #51
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:28 PM   #52
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:45 PM   #53
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All this shows is that WWE occasionally has flashes of insight as to what is currently being demanded.
But it also shows that working the "smarks" can be successful. So to say that they should not work the internet is silly.
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:50 PM   #54
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"Kevin Nash" was released.

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Old 09-07-2011, 11:57 PM   #55
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:52 AM   #56
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Have I MENTIONED yet that anyone that posts anything from Ryan Clark should be banned?
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:46 AM   #57
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It's definitely a work, but I'm glad they're at least TRYING. It's nothing to be upset about, and I love it.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:48 AM   #58
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lol, it'd be funny if they got pissed of and decided to not bring him back just to confuse everyone who thinks its a work.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:49 AM   #59
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As noted before, Kevin Nash’s “release” that was announced earlier today is all part of what’s happening on TV. The release was announced to play off the major deal that John Laurinaitis signed Nash to on RAW.
The reason for Nash’s exit from the WWE storylines is because Nash has booked a movie role, likely the same one that he is dieting for. Word is that the people behind the movie didn’t want to insure Nash for filming while he was working as a pro wrestler. Nash will likely stay gone until he is done filming the movie. No word yet if this will affect any of his independent dates.
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:07 AM   #60
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lol, it'd be funny if they got pissed of and decided to not bring him back just to confuse everyone who thinks its a work.
I'd be OK with that too. He has been shitty as fuck since he started speaking.
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:07 AM   #61
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Still a good foil to CM Punk, though.
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Old 09-08-2011, 03:16 AM   #62
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I'd be OK with that too. He has been shitty as fuck since he started speaking.
Has Nash's ring work actually been better than his mic work? Those two powerbombs were pretty good.
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Old 09-08-2011, 03:31 AM   #63
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I'd like to see the Nash we've seen in wcw and TNA rather than the big monster he portrays anytime he shows in Wwe
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:42 AM   #64
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I am in the minority like Mohammad Hassan and think it may just be real. For the simple fact that WWE have never announced someone as "futured endeavoured" online unless it was real. Of course there are firsts for everything though.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:50 AM   #65
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:38 PM   #66
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I am in the minority like Mohammad Hassan and think it may just be real. For the simple fact that WWE have never announced someone as "futured endeavoured" online unless it was real. Of course there are firsts for everything though.
Like Daniel Bryan?

Also, they've recently started using the term "future endeavored" on television. CM Punk actually said the exact words to Nash on RAW after he was "fired". This all fits. You really think Nash was really fired after hopping into a car with Laurinitis?
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:09 PM   #67
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John Laurinitis, who is supposed to be "Mr. Future Endeavours"?
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:13 PM   #68
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wasn't cena future endeavored on the site after the nexus thing or whatever?
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Sweet, so they risked shareholder fraud investigations AND let him work indie dates to work the smarks?

In that case, they probably will fire Nash, just to work the smarks who think they're on to WWE's plans.
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They had every intention of using him again.
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Not quite the same thurrrrr, is it?
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No not really, but the rest of that post holds true.
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Who says working the internet doesn't work? There are quite a few people in this very thread that have no idea if he is actually released or not.

I'm not saying that they are the smartest of people because he is clearly not released but it still works.
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Sweet, so they risked shareholder fraud investigations AND let him work indie dates to work the smarks?

In that case, they probably will fire Nash, just to work the smarks who think they're on to WWE's plans.
I think the only way they would face the shareholder fraud thing is if it was on the corperate site. I am prettty sure that shareholders know that the regular WWE.COM will be used to further stories.
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I think the only way they would face the shareholder fraud thing is if it was on the corperate site. I am prettty sure that shareholders know that the regular WWE.COM will be used to further stories.
They made PR claims at the time.

Even if it didn't go up on the corporate site, this was to placate both parents and shareholders. Probably advertisers too.

Also, remember there was an investigation regarding the "sale" of Raw to Trump. Which proves two things: One, they really don't need to stick their necks out too far, and two, shareholders are retards who panic over storylines (Since it was the major sale of the stock that prompted the look, and that was NOT on corporate).

Is this the same as selling Raw? No. Does it need to be to incur an investigation? No. Does Vince know this? Empahtically YES. Is he retarded? Maybe.
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Who says working the internet doesn't work? There are quite a few people in this very thread that have no idea if he is actually released or not.

I'm not saying that they are the smartest of people because he is clearly not released but it still works.
Of course, "working the internet" only really works if it translates to more buys, more views, more eats, more money in short.

It's been done before, but the major point about working the internet is that there's no real point or gain.

As it is, that still holds. No such endeavour has yet proved to actually draw people.
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I don't think you're giving kayfabe enough credit, Mr. Knight. It's a time-honored tradition, and though they won't flat out DENY it anymore, they'll still let it roll. People who hold shares should know enough about what they're holding shares in, in my opinion.

As far as this work having a point, it's creating speculation, which I would say is a good thing for fans. I'm a fan. Fuck shareholders, ratings, sales, or whatever the fuck. As long as they're afloat and I'm enjoying the product, then great.
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I don't think you're giving kayfabe enough credit, Mr. Knight. It's a time-honored tradition, and though they won't flat out DENY it anymore, they'll still let it roll. People who hold shares should know enough about what they're holding shares in, in my opinion.

As far as this work having a point, it's creating speculation, which I would say is a good thing for fans. I'm a fan. Fuck shareholders, ratings, sales, or whatever the fuck. As long as they're afloat and I'm enjoying the product, then great.
You've also admitted to ridiculously low standards before. I'm not sure if there is a possible point at which you would actually stop enjoying the product. Regardless, they're not doing it for your enjoyment. WWE is run like a business, after all. I made peace with that years ago, and I think most grounded people did. It's pretty clear they wouldn't "work" the internet without intent to gain. Which was my point. Making whether you enjoyed it moot. It's nice and all, but it's clearly not the point.

KAYFABE is really beside the point, again, because they have been a corporate enterprise for several years now. This means they have certain limits, and lying to shareholders is not acceptable, even if you say "kayfabe." There's a rather large difference between working the audience and working the investors, as the latter is quite illegal. It seems to be a proposal that they did such a thing, here.

The main thing that seems to drive that notion is the general cynicism. People have become so accustomed to works, they call them with the frequency JR says something loud and excitable. They call "work" here, when so few of the "work" attempts have paid off, and the risk would be pretty high. Occam's razor isn't just for the discussion forum. Sorry.

But I am talking facts.
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If I'm vesting enough interest into anything to purchase shares of it, chances are I'm going to have some inkling of understanding as to what is actually going on with the company. WWE is a unique form of entertainment. If the people pumping money into it aren't aware of that, then they probably should have done some more research.

To me, it sounds as if you're saying that they should just openly admit what's real and what's not about every single thing that happens on TV. With the internet being as accessible and popular as it is, it would effectively kill kayfabe, and that would paint a very drab picture for fans. Where does the money come from? Those very same fans.

I've never "admitted to ridiculously low standards" before. That's your opinion that you've cast upon me, and you're entitled to that. All that withstanding, I think the reason that we don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues is that at the core of things, I AM a fan. I'm pretty sure you are too, but somewhere along the way, you started feeling like you had to be "smart" about things and think about them from a business standpoint. Again, the WWE is a truly unique form of entertainment, and it's difficult to draw comparisons to most things because of that FACT.

Are you a shareholder? No. Are you making any money off of anything that WWE does? No. However, for some reason, you want to sit there and act like you're a part of that side of things, and I really don't see how any of this can even be fun for you.

This is a work. It's nothing new. Anybody with money involved SHOULD know that, but if they don't, then it's their fault. Regardless, as a FAN, this is all a ton of fun, and if you aren't finding any enjoyment in it, then I feel bad for you. I know you haven't said anything about not enjoying it, and maybe you're just sparking discussion, but there's no need to talk down to me about it either way.
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