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Old 02-11-2012, 05:18 PM   #41
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Lerenzo Fertittas said he won't be cut because of the failed drug test..

http://www.5thround.com/105942/ufc-b...led-drug-test/
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:08 AM   #42
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It's extremely disappointing to see that zuffa will not take a tougher stance against Diaz. But whatever, Diaz has been figured out, and I have zero faith that he will evolve as a fighter to stop people from controlling distance and out striking him.
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Why a tougher stance? It's not steroids. And he is a hot commodity right now. Yea he probably won't be a UFC champ but who cares, he brings in viewers.
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Why a tougher stance? It's not steroids. And he is a hot commodity right now. Yea he probably won't be a UFC champ but who cares, he brings in viewers.
A tougher stance because he failed two drug tests, no showed a third, and plays Hookie for press conferences. Tell me another fighter who'd get that kind of pass? Diaz fans =meh.
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Old 02-12-2012, 04:38 PM   #45
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Two failed drug tests for weed..not PED's..
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A tougher stance because he failed two drug tests, no showed a third, and plays Hookie for press conferences. Tell me another fighter who'd get that kind of pass? Diaz fans =meh.
You're kind of stretching here Krim. The drug tests were for marijuana and Diaz missed two pre-pre-fight press conferences that fans didn't have access to and most wouldn't have even known were taking place if Dana didn't flip his shit and overreact. That fight sold out then and would sell out now without Diaz saying a word anyways.

I can understand him never getting a title shot because you need a reliable champion who can pass a piss test, but I don't see a reason for him to be cut. You have to remember that this isn't just a sport, it's a business and Diaz will be a bigger draw, make more money and be more exciting to watch than 95% of the other fighters on that roster.
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:08 PM   #47
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diaz has screwed himself here more than the ufc could. i mean yeah they could punish him but he has already screwed himself out of a potential title shot 3 times now (press conference, drugs in this last fight and the fact he had a rematch in the works before the drugs). i don't really have a problem though because it really isn't the same as roids or testosterone or any of that other stuff.
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The other thing is, even if he does get suspended in Nevada, they could technically still do the fight in another state.

California would be the best bet. CSAC would look ridiculous if they denied him a license to fight for testing positive for marijuana in Nevada when he has a medical prescription for it issued to him from California.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:27 PM   #49
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diaz has screwed himself here more than the ufc could. i mean yeah they could punish him but he has already screwed himself out of a potential title shot 3 times now (press conference, drugs in this last fight and the fact he had a rematch in the works before the drugs). i don't really have a problem though because it really isn't the same as roids or testosterone or any of that other stuff.
I totally understand your perspective. I just take a tougher stance considering his unreliable past. What's the probability that he will pull another 209 stunt, or WORST YET Condit exposed a way to beat him, and he refuses to evolve? Now you have a gatekeeper (essentially/potentially) making 200 racks to jerk curtains.

Of course, this is pure speculation.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:35 PM   #50
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absolutely speculation given Condit didn't really expose anything, instead just having more success with his "gameplan" than most have recently against Diaz. You're still talking like Condit convincingly won the fight. And I doubt you have to worry too much about their financial situation/Diaz's pay. He's still going to sell fights, even if he did somehow experience some kind of "career drop-off"
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:10 PM   #51
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absolutely speculation given Condit didn't really expose anything, instead just having more success with his "gameplan" than most have recently against Diaz. You're still talking like Condit convincingly won the fight. And I doubt you have to worry too much about their financial situation/Diaz's pay. He's still going to sell fights, even if he did somehow experience some kind of "career drop-off"
I do feel that condit convincingly won the fight (4 rounds to 1). Diaz did jack shit to counter condits gamelan. condit Literally landed hundreds of leg kicks( everybody who ever kick boxed knows that kicks score more than punches) but whatever, you're entitled to your opinions.

Again, Diaz's popularity cannot be denied. But as a business owner, it would take a shit ton of goodwill from this guy for him to even get close to a belt. With that being said... I doubt he could beat koscheck, ellenberger, fitch, Hendricks, alves...where does that leave him? Jerking curtains, that's where. And for 200 large per fight??? Nah homie, take that shit back to strikeforce. He's America's version of Fedor. Okay, he's not that bad. But it's funny to say
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:19 PM   #52
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that's still pretty much all based on your own speculation, conclusions and opinions (and I have no idea what scoring in kickboxing has to do with MMA) you just appear to not like Nick Diaz very much. Which once again is fine, but an organization in the business of making money isn't really going to judge things on personal bias and opinion. And lol the Fedor comment, c'mon son
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that's still pretty much all based on your own speculation, conclusions and opinions (and I have no idea what scoring in kickboxing has to do with MMA) you just appear to not like Nick Diaz very much. Which once again is fine, but an organization in the business of making money isn't really going to judge things on personal bias and opinion. And lol the Fedor comment, c'mon son
Understanding how to score kicks is very important when you chose to score a fight. It's just as important as understanding how to score a takedown. I'm not quite sure where I ever stated that I like or dislike Diaz... As far as my opinion on the fight, I watched the same fight everyone else did. My view of the fight May be speculation(if that's what you're referring to-but who knows)... But my speculation aligns with fight metric, and three Nevada judges who thought condit won.

At the end of the day, the money invested into Diaz isn't mine or yours, so I will continue to watch his fights, and I will be sure to watch him fare against the WW division, if he doesn't retire.
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I totally understand your perspective. I just take a tougher stance considering his unreliable past. What's the probability that he will pull another 209 stunt, or WORST YET Condit exposed a way to beat him, and he refuses to evolve? Now you have a gatekeeper (essentially/potentially) making 200 racks to jerk curtains.

Of course, this is pure speculation.

You know you're my dude Krim, but you're driving me nuts with your analysis.

Yes Condit outstruck Diaz, but look closer at the FightMetric totals. The only reason that was so is because Condit outstruck Diaz by a margin of 68 to 6 in terms of leg kicks. Diaz landed more strikes to the body and head. If Diaz checked half of those leg kicks, Condit would have lost the fight. It's not like he went out and dismantled Diaz in all facets of MMA or exposed glaring holes in his game.
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You know you're my dude Krim, but you're driving me nuts with your analysis.

Yes Condit outstruck Diaz, but look closer at the FightMetric totals. The only reason that was so is because Condit outstruck Diaz by a margin of 68 to 6 in terms of leg kicks. Diaz landed more strikes to the body and head. If Diaz checked half of those leg kicks, Condit would have lost the fight. It's not like he went out and dismantled Diaz in all facets of MMA or exposed glaring holes in his game.
What am I saying wrong here? You're right, had Diaz checked the kicks the fight would've been closer! If Diaz would've cut off condits angles he would've landed more shots, if Diaz took condit down sooner and more often he could've used his BJJ skills. I agree whole heartedly. The fact is, he flat out didn't do that. the refusal to adapt to condits gameplay is a glaring hole if that becomes a pattern. So the question is why did he have such a tough time adapting? Are leg kicks his kryptonite(like rampage)? If he's fallen in love with stalking and slap boxing, if he refuses to work on cutting off angles, if he's neglected his jits, then he has a tough road to hoe in the ww division. It has always been said that he has trouble against wrestlers (like Kos, Fitch, et all) now there should at least be some raised eyebrows as to what a talented striker can do against him.
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What am I saying wrong here? You're right, had Diaz checked the kicks the fight would've been closer! If Diaz would've cut off condits angles he would've landed more shots, if Diaz took condit down sooner and more often he could've used his BJJ skills. I agree whole heartedly.The fact is, he flat out didn't do that. the refusal to adapt to condits gameplay is a glaring hole if that becomes a pattern.
I hate to torture the point, but I think you're jumping to conclusions based on one fight that wasn't all that lopsided when you consider the fact that Condit's only advantage as a "talented" striker was in leg kicks. Diaz out struck him in every other aspect, so bringing up not cutting angles and all that other what if stuff is a bit extra.

He only attempted 3 takedowns and they were pretty half assed. It's not like Condit was stuffing them all night and Condit wasn't putting him on his back or outwrestling him either considering Condit attempted 0 takedowns, so you can't make the conclusion that Condit somehow neutralized his BJJ or presented a threat on the ground that deterred Nick from using it.

And again, it's not like Condit's game plan was so overwhelming that other fighters are going to see that as the key to success since all Condit's game plan earned him was a rematch against Diaz.

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So the question is why did he have such a tough time adapting? Are leg kicks his kryptonite(like rampage)? If he's fallen in love with stalking and slap boxing, if he refuses to work on cutting off angles, if he's neglected his jits, then he has a tough road to hoe in the ww division. It has always been said that he has trouble against wrestlers (like Kos, Fitch, et all) now there should at least be some raised eyebrows as to what a talented striker can do against him.
Why are you assuming it was a matter of him not being able adapt or him having some kind of weakness in his jiu jitsu? I said it earlier, Diaz's biggest weakness isn't his skill set, it's his stubbornness. He'd rather brawl than grapple. It's why he chose to stand and trade with Paul Daley rather than take him to the ground. Same thing for his fights against one dimensional strikers like Scott Smith and K.J. Noons. He'd rather box, whereas in the case of Rampage, I don't think he ever took the time to hone his other skills. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's nothing really new with Diaz and not really an indictment of his abilities.

Go watch the Cyborg Santos fight where he was kicking the shit out of Nick's legs and he refused to check them. The only reason he arm barred Santos was because the opportunity was blatantly there, otherwise he'd probably have kept the fight standing.

I also don't know where it's always been said that Diaz has trouble against wrestlers. The only wrestler I know that he faced and lost to was Sherk 7 years ago and he was probably roiled up at the time so that assertion isn't accurate and there's nothing in this fight to substantiate it.
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