LOL @ Chavo's "Open Challenge" Respondee *SMACKDOWN SPOILERS*

[Wondermouse]

Jackie winning the CW Title is pants.

I not basing everything solely on Chyna. I'm basing everything solely on LOGIC for christ's sake. How is it that a female wrestler who hasn't been on TV for over a year can come back and take down the TOP CRUISERWEIGHT IN THE WORLD. That is just pure bullsh**. Jackie is not going to give the title credibility or anything nor is she going to put on good matches, so why give her the dam belt. It makes no sense and just buries all the rest of the crusiers who have been WRESTLING this past year.

[Corkscrewed]

Personally, aside from Jacqueline being CW champ, I thought the show sounded rather good, especially with Eddie going crazy at the end.

Of course, we now know how Vince feels about the CW division. If Chavo doesn't beat the bloody crap outta Jacqueline next week, I'll be super uber pissed.

[The CyNick]

And when has a women winning a male title ever worked?

[Heyman]

Jacqueline wins the Cruiserweight title.

[Rob]

Yeah Madusa winning the WCW crusierweight title. She was right up there with Mysterio, Kidman and Juvi as great champions.

[Nowhere Man]

And you know what the saddest part is? You just know for the next couple of weeks she's going to defend that title every show, to make her look "credible." So I guess Jamie Noble and Akio better just save themselves and quit now.

Damn, I wish Tajiri was still on SD. Not so he could get squashed, but so he could at the very least stiff-kick the fuck out of Jackie.

[Wondermouse]

I wouldn't mind a woman winning a male title, if, and only if the following apply:

1) She can wrestle just as well as the men.
2) She's massively over, not just on a woman level, but on a wrestler level.
3) She gets pushed as being a credible, legit contender for anything.

I've been in an eFed where a woman won the world title. And you know, it was one of the best moments in their history, because she was a real strong character and had racked up a good bit of wins.

But someone who absolutely sucks all around and hasn't been around in a year?

No way.

[The CyNick]

In the real world male fans (who make up the majority of the audience) dont want to see women dominate men, at least not in a ring.

[ColdwaVer]

Originally Posted by The CyNick And when has a women winning a male title ever worked?

Again, when has it ever been TRIED in WWE?! Once again, I think this is a bad idea, but it's more what LC said, the idea of anyone being out of the active lineup for a year, who isn't really over as a wrestler, zooming into the picture and snatching up gold. Why the fact that it's a female bothers everyone is beyond me.

And I still say that Jacqueline needs to move to Raw and become the full-time Women's Division referee.

[El Santo]

Jacqueline is hardly a cruiserweight, too. Not that I want her going for the US title or anything; if she goes toe to toe with the guys, I think she might be a better fit fighting the Mark Jindraks and Billy Gunns of the world.

A better fit would've been Lita in her prime. Or, hell, Molly Holly. Or maybe Alexis Laree down in OVW. Ah, whatever. The whole thing was a bad idea. (Or is it? THe previous bad idea from WWE was Eugene, and that turned out to be pretty enjoyable. maybe ... jsut maybe ... naaaah.)

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse I wouldn't mind a woman winning a male title, if, and only if the following apply: 1) She can wrestle just as well as the men. 2) She's massively over, not just on a woman level, but on a wrestler level. 3) She gets pushed as being a credible, legit contender for anything. I've been in an eFed where a woman won the world title. And you know, it was one of the best moments in their history, because she was a real strong character and had racked up a good bit of wins. But someone who absolutely sucks all around and hasn't been around in a year? No way.

They could bring in Toyota or Nakano (I can hear the collective "who?" right now) and I still wouldn't buy it.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Originally Posted by ColdwaVer Ok, what's that about? The Undertaker was at the arena. Whose hand was that?

I'm guessing it was Mordecai's. And about this whole Jackie thing I don't know what to think when Chyna held the IC title did it really make the IC title look like a joke. What about when one of the god fathers ho's pinned I forget who the champ was and was like champ for a couple minutes? I don't know what to think about this whole Jackie becoming Cruiserweight champ but 2 things I hate

1. It's Jackie

2. She beat him with a low blow come on a ****ing low blow. If they are going to not make that title look like a joke WWE can take two things.

1. Make her lose it to someone like Jeff Hardy, Paul Londen, someone like that next week


or Make her come up with a better finisher.


It's not really who won that upset me how she won was more upsetting to me.

[RGWhat316]

Well, I just read the spoilers, and I'm kinda speechless. I mean, I didn't even know Jacqueline was still employed by WWE. Damn. But I definitely agree this makes the title look really weak. Since all the CW tried to take down Chavo at WM and didnt get it done. Now you get a woman that hasnt been on tv in forever and wins. Though I am interested in the crowd reaction when the pin goes down.

[RGWhat316]

Here we go now, we know who to blame for this, from 4w-wrestling.com

Last night, Jackie defeated Chavo to win the cruiserweight title. The plans were to bring in Tough Enough 3 winner Matt Cappotelli to face Chavo for the belt, but he suffered a concusion at a house show on 4/24 and was not able to work the match. A last minute decision was made by Stephanie McMahon to make the move of putting the belt on Jackie last night, which alot of people backstage do not like.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by The CyNick In the real world male fans (who make up the majority of the audience) dont want to see women dominate men, at least not in a ring.

I'll assume that you're only talking about the MTV Real World show and not bitch you out about that.

In my CWE, I've been doing intergender matches and women holding titles for the entire 4 years I've done it without any known repercussions. Probably the reason being that Anime women aren't looked at as being, well, NORMALn women, but take that for what you will.

I wouldn't mind a woman holding a men's title (really, I've never once heard anyone specify it as a MEN'S Crusierweight title), but at least have it in which it would be a significant run rather than a joke like they are doing here. It would at least give the SD women something to DO rather than be pure eye candy (why they even have women on SD when they really have nothing better for them to do is beyond me).

Although I've seen the RAW women's divison go downhill ever since they've paired Trish with Christian (she was the blood of that division, and they turn her into this slut-type woman who cannot keep her hands off Christian). Sure, it's a good story, but what happened to her title contension? They only have two heels in that run (Gail Kim and Molly Holly), and Trish is made to look like she only cares about getting laid every night. Trish made people CARE about the women's division, and you see the result from the mistakes, but I disgress.

This thing with Jaquie could be good, but I don't count on it. This could be the only blemish on an otherwise decent show (although it at LEAST gets the belt off of Chavo, since, as good as he is, I'm tired of seeing the belt on him as if he's the only viable crusierweight on that brand), but it's a blemish that SD didn't really need at this point.

We all BEG of Vince, or someone, PLEASE realize what he is doing to this brand which has once reigned as the better of the two, and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! He udderly, and single handily is RUINING SD, and he doesn't give a shit about it, maybe even hoping that he is, and everyone in that locker room AND the people who WANT to like SD but can't because if this single-handed MURDER of this brand is more than they can bear. Let's just hope the main event at Judgment Day blows up in Vince's face so he can finally WAKE THE **** UP ALREADY!!

[The Naitch]

a spit in the face of deserving CW on the roster today.

Next week, let's have Stephanie win the WWE title. Eddie will be doing the job.

[El Santo]

So... Jackie wins the CW title because the wrestler she was taking the place of, Matt Capotelli, was injured at a house show by none other than ... Hardcore Holly. Meanwhile, the decline of the brand can be traced to the day Brock Lesnar decided to leave the WWE for the NFL, because he refused to go to South Africa just to wrestle a match with ... Hardcore Holly.

Let's face it folks... Hardcore Holly is Satan.

[The Mackem]

Well if Harvey Wippleman can degrade the Womens title, Jackie can do the same to the Cruiserweight belt. Sexual equality and all.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse I wouldn't mind a woman winning a male title, if, and only if the following apply: 1) She can wrestle just as well as the men. 2) She's massively over, not just on a woman level, but on a wrestler level. 3) She gets pushed as being a credible, legit contender for anything. I've been in an eFed where a woman won the world title. And you know, it was one of the best moments in their history, because she was a real strong character and had racked up a good bit of wins. But someone who absolutely sucks all around and hasn't been around in a year? No way.

Totally agree. Actually was the writer for an e-fed where a woman went on a major and well-deserved run. If done correctly, with the right worker, and in a believable way you can get a really good reaction. Especially with the cruiserweights, where the strength and weight difference isn't that great.

[Gerard]

Undertaker still using the last ride...yawn, yup this is DEFINATELY the deadman we got here. :foc:

[Mr. JL]

As far as a woman holding the cruiserweight title is concerned? Great for Jacqueline but?...

Smells like WCW?


Plus what the ****? are all the QUESTION MARKS for?

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

[MVP]

OMFG

Words cannot express how badly booked the CW division is.

At least Kurt Angle was kept off TV for most of the show.

[KillerWolf]

[QUOTE=darkpower]I'll assume that you're only talking about the MTV Real World show and not bitch you out about that.

In my CWE, I've been doing intergender matches and women holding titles for the entire 4 years I've done it without any known repercussions. Probably the reason being that Anime women aren't looked at as being, well, NORMALn women, but take that for what you will.

I wouldn't mind a woman holding a men's title (really, I've never once heard anyone specify it as a MEN'S Crusierweight title), but at least have it in which it would be a significant run rather than a joke like they are doing here. It would at least give the SD women something to DO rather than be pure eye candy (why they even have women on SD when they really have nothing better for them to do is beyond me).

Although I've seen the RAW women's divison go downhill ever since they've paired Trish with Christian (she was the blood of that division, and they turn her into this slut-type woman who cannot keep her hands off Christian). Sure, it's a good story, but what happened to her title contension? They only have two heels in that run (Gail Kim and Molly Holly), and Trish is made to look like she only cares about getting laid every night. Trish made people CARE about the women's division, and you see the result from the mistakes, but I disgress.

This thing with Jaquie could be good, but I don't count on it. This could be the only blemish on an otherwise decent show (although it at LEAST gets the belt off of Chavo, since, as good as he is, I'm tired of seeing the belt on him as if he's the only viable crusierweight on that brand), but it's a blemish that SD didn't really need at this point.
darkpower, you speak PURE ASS.

[Rock Bottom]

I am gonna start dropping Neg Rep bombs on anyone who says, "Speak(s) pure ass."

But anyway, on subject, this was probably the most terrible thing next to DDP jobbing to Sara. SmackDown is utter and complete shit. They should just end the show and fire every writer for it, and start from scratch. The only thing I wouldn't change is Eddie having the title.

[CBright7831]

Thank God it wasn't Jeff Hardy.

Not that I'm happy she's champion either.

What a way to drop the ball on Judgement Day.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Rock Bottom I am gonna start dropping Neg Rep bombs on anyone who says, "Speak(s) pure ass." But anyway, on subject, this was probably the most terrible thing next to DDP jobbing to Sara. SmackDown is utter and complete shit. They should just end the show and fire every writer for it, and start from scratch. The only thing I wouldn't change is Eddie having the title.

[Nowhere Man]

Originally Posted by Gerard Undertaker still using the last ride...yawn, yup this is DEFINATELY the deadman we got here. :foc:

Of course it is! Remember, he's got a HAT now!

[The CyNick]

I have to be honest, I have no clue how an E-Fed works, but I would have to say who the hell cares about an E-Fed when were talking about real life? In the WWE the large majority of fans are male, and men dont like seeing women beat up bigger men.

Look at it this way, how would it look if Laila Ali went 12 rounds and beat Roy Jones JR? Roy would look like a punk, and likely never make another dime in boxing. Ali would get a rub because of the novelty (which doesn't exist in wrestling because they've done this stupid angle many times, and its failed every time) but then if she were to get beat the next week all it would do is kill off Jones Jr as a draw.

In this case you got a guy who was really over and he's lost, not to an elite female wrestler (which would be one thing), but he lost to a bottom feeder from the women's division. And the bottome line is fans will see this as "Chavo lost to a girl", which makes him look like a punk and makes him look weak. Fans have to buy into champions in order for them to draw, but now they'll see Chavo as a joke, just like Jarrett and Jericho looked like a joke losing to Chyna, just like Disco looked like a punk losing to Madusa and so on. The angle has never worked in the past, and why they picked an over guy to kill off is beyond me.

[AareDub]

LMFAO!! @ the guy who tried to challenge The CyNick by using e-fed logic!!

Anyway, maybe the person who typed the results typed Jaqueline and meant to type Paul London. Yea, that has to be it right?

[CBright7831]

"If you read the SmackDown spoilers, then you now know that Jackie defeated Chavo Guerrero Jr. to win the Cruiserweight championship. The original plan called for former Tough Enough 3 winner, Matt Cappotelli, to be brought up and win the title. However, he suffered a concussion at a recent house show and could not compete last night. Word has it that Stephanie McMahon ordered the writers to place the title on Jackie instead. She has been practically begging to wrestle a man on the show for a while now. From what we hear, many on the SmackDown roster believe this is a horrible idea and it will back fire soon."

Fuck you, Steph! Fuck you!

http://rajah.com/base/2004/776

[CBright7831]

Damn, Steph is a stupid bitch! I hope that whore never comes back on TV, but something tells me I'll be eating my words soon enough.

Originally Posted by AareDub LMFAO!! @ the guy who tried to challenge The CyNick by using e-fed logic!!

lol, yeah that made me laugh.

Originally Posted by The CyNick I have to be honest, I have no clue how an E-Fed works, but I would have to say who the hell cares about an E-Fed when were talking about real life?

CLASSIC

[crock69]

Originally Posted by ColdwaVer Ok, what's that about? The Undertaker was at the arena. Whose hand was that?

Must have been Vince McMahons since obviously he is not writing this crap.......is he?

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by AareDub LMFAO!! @ the guy who tried to challenge The CyNick by using e-fed logic!! Anyway, maybe the person who typed the results typed Jaqueline and meant to type Paul London. Yea, that has to be it right?

what is an "E Fed

[Vastardikai]

what is an "E Fed"?

An E-fed is a community where a bunch of people write stories called "Roleplays", "Spots", "Flashes", or "Promos". The point of such a community is to prove that each member is the best in said community, as judged by a sniveling tyrant of a man or woman known as the fed-head. They tend to be very fun, but don't attempt it if you have something called a social life. It's also a good place to find a horde of whiny bitches.

I could go into more detail, but that'd expose me for an even bigger dweeb than I've already exposed myself to be.

[Wondermouse]

Originally Posted by Vastardikai An E-fed is a community where a bunch of people write stories called "Roleplays", "Spots", "Flashes", or "Promos". The point of such a community is to prove that each member is the best in said community, as judged by a sniveling tyrant of a man or woman known as the fed-head. They tend to be very fun, but don't attempt it if you have something called a social life. It's also a good place to find a horde of whiny bitches. I could go into more detail, but that'd expose me for an even bigger dweeb than I've already exposed myself to be.

Most of the places I frequent (and write in, actually) aren't at all about competition, and everything's predetermined by the writers. Such was the case in the promotion where the female won the title.

Originally Posted by The CyNick In this case you got a guy who was really over and he's lost, not to an elite female wrestler (which would be one thing), but he lost to a bottom feeder from the women's division.

Umm... didn't I say that? I think I did... in fact... let's rewind it a little bit.

Originally Posted by The CyNick I wouldn't mind a woman winning a male title, if, and only if the following apply: 1) She can wrestle just as well as the men. 2) She's massively over, not just on a woman level, but on a wrestler level. 3) She gets pushed as being a credible, legit contender for anything. I've been in an eFed where a woman won the world title. And you know, it was one of the best moments in their history, because she was a real strong character and had racked up a good bit of wins. But someone who absolutely sucks all around and hasn't been around in a year? No way.

So, let's analyze this.

1) She can wrestle just as well as the men.
This is pretty self explanatory.

2) She's massively over, not just on a woman level, but on a wrestler level.
3) She gets pushed as being a credible, legit contender for anything.
These go hand-in-hand. The fans have to buy into her as legit to the point where losing to a woman wouldn't hurt the credibility of a guy.

Is it likely to happen? No, not in the current wrestling product. If it does happen - why shouldn't a woman be given a shot at the title?

I brought up my experiences in a certain e-fed because, in this case, all 3 happened. The character was one of the strongest, she had more than held her own in the promotion for years, and she ascended to become champion. I wouldn't say she was one of the best to ever hold it, but she wasn't one of the worst, and when she won it, it was great. I think the same could happen in WWE.

[Hired Hitman]

I hope Jacqueline doesn't become like Chyna.

[big_bluto]

Originally Posted by Hired Hitman I hope Jacqueline doesn't become like Chyna.

She'd have to go some to find a husband shorter than her

[Vastardikai]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse Most of the places I frequent (and write in, actually) aren't at all about competition, and everything's predetermined by the writers. Such was the case in the promotion where the female won the title.

There are those, as well. I'm used to the old competitive ones, and I kind of prefered them. I remember those kind, but they aren't. I am not sure, I feel like the competition feuled me, and it drained me. Alas, I now just do 3rd rate captions, as the whole thing more or less got too dull and stuff.