THIS JUST IN - BYE, BYE, STEINER!!!

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott Flair and Bret have gone for 60 minutes (plus), and put on excellent matches. When was the last time Steiner did that? I would suggest it's been a long time. C'mon, the guy was a great talent at one time, but age and steroids don't mix well, and his run in the WWE has been absolutely pathetic. At this point he's basically a liability in the ring; if he doesn't injure himself he could well injure his opponent. Also, Flair and Bret have charisma, and had much more ability than Steiner does right now. Just my opinion.

Off the top of my head, I think Scott Steiner has done 60 minute broadways. For the record, when was the last time Bret Hart and Ric Flair did that? Again, definately not saying Steiner is in their league but you can't compare 10 years ago to today.

I'll tell you for an absolute fact right now that Scott Steiner has more ability than Bret Hart in the ring right now.

[6to1]

Originally Posted by Rob Off the top of my head, I think Scott Steiner has done 60 minute broadways. For the record, when was the last time Bret Hart and Ric Flair did that? Again, definately not saying Steiner is in their league but you can't compare 10 years ago to today. I'll tell you for an absolute fact right now that Scott Steiner has more ability than Bret Hart in the ring right now.

i think like so many other former wcw people steiner was missused in the wwe. his wrestling days were almost over what they should have done was make him super part time heel maby bodyguard to evalution, kind of like batasta is doing now, but no vince had to make him tests bitch

[Rob]

Originally Posted by 6to1 i think like so many other former wcw people steiner was missused in the wwe. his wrestling days were almost over what they should have done was make him super part time heel maby bodyguard to evalution, kind of like batasta is doing now, but no vince had to make him tests bitch

Vince McMahon knew what he was getting when he signed him so there are no excuses in that department. My arguement is that they should have put the world title on him on his first match. None of that "he didn't pay his dues" bullshit either. He paid his dues for 20 years for one and the more important point is that you should always market your stars to their fullest. Everyone knew he would have a limited run so why not put the belt on him early and draw what you can quick? Vince McMahon should remember that it's his company and he can do what he likes no matter who likes it or doesn't. Have the arguements after he stops drawing money, not before.

[Corkscrewed]

For once, a potential firing that I'm NOT sad about! w00t!

[Savio]

Stiener wasn't to bad really.

[The Mackem]

Holler if you hear me!

[Marc the Smark]

"Big Poppa Pump Is Your Hookup." Does that mean he deals steroids?

[The Mackem]

I only care about two things, my freaks and my peaks!

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by The Mackem I only care about two things, my freaks and my peaks!

Yes, and apparently not about the quality of his matches.

One of the greatest days in wrestling history!!!

[JJ Moore]

sunday, monday, happy days! tuesday ,wednesday, happy days! thursday, friday, happy days! saturday comes, steiners gone, rejoicing all day with youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by JJ Moore sunday, monday, happy days! tuesday ,wednesday, happy days! thursday, friday, happy days! saturday comes, steiners gone, rejoicing all day with youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[The Naitch]

I'm sure they could've used Steiner as an enforcer type, like Tyson Tomko.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by The Naitch I'm sure they could've used Steiner as an enforcer type, like Tyson Tomko.

But then Steiner would still be on my tv

[Marc the Smark]

"I'm not sure what the celebrations are for. At one time Scott Steiner was one of the best athletes in the business. The back injuries and age have taken their toll. His work was poor the last time he was in a ring. His mobility is limited and he probably doesn't have a long ru left in him."

Awwww... how sad... "the back injuries and age." Cry me a river.

And like I said before, if they put him on Smackdown, that means he'd still be on my tv.

[PureHatred]

You're right. Why have an established name like Scott Steiner on TV when we can sit back and enjoy guys like Bob Holly, Bradshaw, A-Train, Johnny the Bull....

You do realize just by changing brands Rene Dupree went from jobber to mid-level heel? You do realize Smackdown has resorted to pushing the Dudleys again to the point where one of Judgement Day's biggest matches might be Dudleys v Rey/RVD? That show is ****ing dying for heels and here is one of the more well known heels of the last decade and you stand up and cheer because he's being cut w/o so much as an attempt to use him in any capacity.

Way to buy in to whatever the IRC feeds you.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Way to buy in to whatever the IRC feeds you.

I don't do IRC. Look, I don't like the way. That's my choice. If you like him, that's your choice. But there's no need to make this personal.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott I don't do IRC. Look, I don't like the way. That's my choice. If you like him, that's your choice. But there's no need to make this personal.

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott Awwww... how sad... Cry me a river.

[Marc the Smark]

I wasn't knocking you. I was knocking Scott Steiner. I don't like him, and I'm not the only one. That's it.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by PureHatred You're right. Why have an established name like Scott Steiner on TV when we can sit back and enjoy guys like Bob Holly, Bradshaw, A-Train, Johnny the Bull.... You do realize just by changing brands Rene Dupree went from jobber to mid-level heel? You do realize Smackdown has resorted to pushing the Dudleys again to the point where one of Judgement Day's biggest matches might be Dudleys v Rey/RVD? That show is ****ing dying for heels and here is one of the more well known heels of the last decade and you stand up and cheer because he's being cut w/o so much as an attempt to use him in any capacity. Way to buy in to whatever the IWC feeds you.

Edit: D'oh

[PureHatred]

No, but you're the only one going on and on anytime mentions another possible use for Steiner how those are bad ideas becuse he's "still on your TV."

Read the thread again. Rob made some really good points on what Steiner could do for the WWE. This is another example of the writers not being able to come up wth angles that properly make use of the talent.

Scott isn't Goldberg. He can be very good on the mic. He's willing to put people over. If his is true, the WWE is firing him w/o even making an atempt to use him. Pretty dumb.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by PureHatred No, but you're the only one going on and on anytime mentions another possible use for Steiner how those are bad ideas becuse he's "still on your TV." Read the thread again. Rob made some really good points on what Steiner could do for the WWE. This is another example of the writers not being able to come up wth angles that properly make use of the talent. Scott isn't Goldberg. He can be very good on the mic. He's willing to put people over. If his is true, the WWE is firing him w/o even making an atempt to use him. Pretty dumb.

Again, this is your opinion, and the opinion of others, and you're entitled to it. Do I seriously think Steiner on Smackdown would be a bad idea? Maybe not. There. I said it. But I just don't see what's so great about him. He was great at one time, yes. But that doesn't mean he still is. He's made his contribution. Do you want him to work forever? C'mon. It was suggested they put him on Smackdown, to be squashed, so that somebody else can be built up. That's an option, yes, but I think there are better ways to push someone than to stick him in the ring with Steiner. That's just my opinion.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Personally, I can't stand Steiner... His old ring work used to be great, but that was the past... However, there could still be a use for him. As said above, just feed him to someone, or stick him on Smackdown. For example, have him reek havoc on Smackdown, and build him up as an unstoppable character.... As a last resort, Angle brings back Big Show, who could destroy Steiner, and end his career.

Now I know a lot of people wouldn't be thrilled about a Big Show push, but if pushed right, he can be a great heel. Get his workrate up, and give him a manager, it'll work.

[PureHatred]

See..actually acknowleging the idea and opinion of others is the point. Even if you don't agree. But that "he's still on my TV shit" is childish.

Take that noise to iowrestling.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by PureHatred See..actually acknowleging the idea and opinion of others is the point. Even if you don't agree. But that "he's still on my TV shit" is childish. Take that noise to iowrestling.

To who? Anyway, yes, I acknowledged your idea. Fine. I thought about it, and maybe Steiner on Smackdown wouldn't be a bad idea. But would it really improve the show? Well, it'd be a temporary fix, in my opinion. And again, I think there are better ways to push someone than to put him in a match with Steiner. You wanna put Steiner in these high-profile matches, while people with much more ability are stuck on Velocity? I can't agree with that.

[PureHatred]

Here's what I was saying: I have no problem with your opinion. but instead of just dismissive one liners, back it up. You did. It's gravy.

If you want to post meaningless nonsense w/o any kind of thought, as I said, go to iowrestling. Or casual.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Here's what I was saying: I have no problem with your opinion. but instead of just dismissive one liners, back it up. You did. It's gravy. If you want to post meaningless nonsense w/o any kind of thought, as I said, go to iowrestling. Or casual.

Okay. So we're cool now?

[spd10000]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott Okay. So we're cool now?

Oh you're so young. Here's a little hint buddy. As long as you never disagree with these people, they'll always like you. Just don't dare speak your mind.

[PureHatred]

I'm alway cool. *pops collar,drinks Hypnotiq and Henny, goes back to work fixing database for broker*

[Shadow]

I'll agree that Steiner was the man back in WCW but those days are long gone. As much as I hate to say it though, I will miss him. I actually did enjoy his fued with Test over Stacy. I enjoyed the fued he had with HHH. I enjoyed his promos, rants, and rages. So what if he did steroids, so what if he did drugs. He was enjoyable and should've been thrown onto Smackdown for heel usage. But that's just my opinion. Take it for what you will from this Jeff Hardy mark.

[CBright7831]

Yeah, since they can't use him on RAW, common logic would have him on Smackdown!, but you know, it's the WWE.

[Ricky]

I've never really cared about him but he's a big name that could easily add to the desparately needed star power on Smackdown.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by Ricky I've never really cared about him but he's a big name that could easily add to the desparately needed star power on Smackdown.

They need "star power," that's true. So they should create it. Billy Kidman, Paul London, and even Orlando Jordan, can all be huge stars. Why continue to depend on people who can't cut it?

[PureHatred]

Because, traditionally, the way you "create" stars is to have them beat established ones. Orlando Jordan could beat Johnny the Bull 27 times in a row and no one would care. But having him beat someone with name value like Scott Steiner means something. His reputation alone makes hims worth useing.

[Batsu]

I think, they should at least put him in Smackdown's U.S. Title scene.

Right now, Rene Dupree is the only real shot against John Cena for now. Heck, he could even feud with Guerrero. But he does not need to be on RAW; RAW doesn't need him.

Only thing is...he should have a bunch of eye candy and over-the-top promos like he used to. He was the top heel of WCW...one I enjoyed watching (if not for TBS's annoying practices-and-standards hounds)...
...none of that nonsense he shared with HHH, thanks.

[PureHatred]

Definitely. he could walk down to the ring with some of the better looking OVW workers, wearing that crazy metal helmet thing and start talking insane nonsense:

"I don't have 30 days and 30 nights, to show you why all the hoochies say there's nothing finer than Scott Steiner, but all I need is one night to have your wife call me for the rest of her life, the big bad booty daddy, so this goes to all my freaks out there, Big Poppa Pump is your hook up, hollar if you hear me." -- Scott Steiner1`

WTF does that mean????? Who knows...looking the way he looks, like a half-crazed Abobo from Double Dragon (credit: Rock Bottom) Scott Steiner is golden on the mic.

lol, Steiner was great on the mic at the end of WCW. I have a lot of his sh** on tape.

[Batsu]

I mean, since Smackdown is turning into a bad version of WCW Thunder now, and WWE is slowly having this "WCW Throwback Culture" obsession, why not just complete the circle and just turn it into a pseudo-WCW show.

(By the way...what former WCW wrestlers that came in the Invasion are still in WWE besides Booker T?)

[Boondock Saint]

Lance Storm, Chuck Palumbo, Mark Jindrak, Chavo Guerrero, Hurricane...prolly more

Shannon Moore, Noble, and Stamboli...I'm not sure if they were just in OVW or something or were signed after the Invasion...

[Boondock Saint]

Torrie, Stacy, Bill DeMott too

[Batsu]

oh yeah, didn't they have some Eddie/Chavo feud back when Chavo was still a "WCW" brand wrestler? Or maybe I'm just letting my imagination get away with me. I know he went to Tough Enough afterward...