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Old 04-06-2012, 10:48 PM   #41
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I thought The Miz was good but even then I just had the feeling WWE wouldn't stick with it. They have a habit of it. It's so frustrating how awful they are with their characters. Atleast Cena was consistently at the top so I figured that was the way to go since they'd fuck up The Miz ala Swagger.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:19 PM   #42
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Maybe it is...The Miz just isn't that good.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:22 PM   #43
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I don't think he's world title good but for fuck's sake if they're gonna go with a guy all the way to the championship, try to keep it consistent. The wasted years because the writers are lazy fucks who can't think ahead is ridiculous.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:28 PM   #44
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He had a good run in the main event, and had good angles after losing the title. He could still be put in the main event scene today and it work, so I don't see what the big deal is. He isn't a guy who can be on a 2-3 year main event run, but he is a guy who can be used anywhere on the card to get a babyface over and occasionally brought up to the main event every once in awhile as a credible challenger to a babyface champion or participant in a multi-man title match.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:34 PM   #45
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Yes, he can become a main eventer again tomorrow. Then get de-pushed. Then become a main eventer again. That's not how you book a character long-term though. Thinking like that is the reason WWE is scrambling now to find replacements for the top guys who are winding down their careers. Booking someone well for a few months and then forgetting about them and then starting all over doesn't get someone over. Consistency over years gets someone over.
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Yes, he can become a main eventer again tomorrow. Then get de-pushed. Then become a main eventer again. That's not how you book a character long-term though. Thinking like that is the reason WWE is scrambling now to find replacements for the top guys who are winding down their careers. Booking someone well for a few months and then forgetting about them and then starting all over doesn't get someone over. Consistency over years gets someone over.
Wait, what? WWE has found plenty of new top guys. CM Punk is pretty over, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, Mark Henry is better and bigger than he has ever been, and Cody Rhodes and Dolph Ziggler just are waiting for their moment which will come this year. WWE arguably has more "new"/young stars right now than they have had in years. Also, WWE could make Santino slowly more serious/legitimate over the next few months and he could win the WWE Championship at SummerSlam without anybody batting an eyelash. Santino has that Mick Foley type goofiness that could easily work in the main event with a few tweaks.
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Punk is over but they need to keep him going steady to bring him to the next level. He's not that "carry the company on his back, mainstream star" guy yet. That's what they need. The other guys you mentioned aren't even on the radar.
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Though Santino could get there pretty fast in theory. I have no faith in the writers though.
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WWE is either going to do Austin/Punk or Rock/Punk and that will push him into the stratosphere. Punk/Brock could do the same thing, but it doesn't feel as big as Rock/Punk or Austin/Punk.
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Punk vs Rock for the title at WrestleMania instantly puts Punk at that level. The promos in the build alone and the possibility of him getting the face reaction would put him over the top. I don't think they're going to do it though unfortunately.
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WWE needs to do Punk/Rock at SummerSlam and Austin/Punk at WrestleMania. CM Punk has everything going that way. He really feels like Austin in 96/97 where he just needs that extra spark to light Jim Ross's proverbial and literal "powder keg". The "shoot" was his "Austin 3:16" promo and the matches with Cena and Jericho accomplished what Austin's matches with Bret Hart did. CM Punk has already captured a "lost" segment of the audience in the older male demographic and he can bring even more of them "back" or bring in new ones. All he needs is that one amazing heel who somehow relates to that 1 person everybody knows and hates. I think a Cody Rhodes or Dolph Ziggler could easily be that guy.
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1) Jericho over Triple H and stays as champion during the "match that never happened" on Raw in 1999 --- Could have made their small feud become the next mega feud considering how well the rivalry was being built up at the time.

3) Tazz over Triple H on Smackdown when both guys wore their title belts --- Even Vince thinks this was a big mistake considering how much it hurt Tazz and didn't really do anything positive in the long run.
I was going to mention these two. Especially the Tazz one, because of how epic that could have been. Think about it, Tazz "went to ECW on a day off and won their Heavyweight Championship". I know it's a running gag around here, but Tazz was already known for being a "badass submission machine"... hell, they had him hand Angle his first loss on his "surprise" debut. Having him beat Hunter and thereby becoming a dual WHC in the span of a week would have been a mark out moment, a unexpected surprise fitting the "anything can happen..." mantra, and a shot in the arm for the "One Man Crime Spree".

Also, I wanted to add:

*2) Lance Storm def. Booker T for the WCW title - they likely would have had Booker "win it back" at the end, to give that "send 'em home happy" feeling, but I'm going to run under the assumption that he'd be the the complimentary heel... a new guy who came in and wins everything vs the guy who busted his ass for years and finally got a break. He gets the "grand slam" within one year, proving how he's such a "superior athlete from Calgary... Alberta, Canada." I was a fan of the Booker/Benoit "best of 7", imagine the program these two could have had longer term.

On a larger scale, this also sets up Lance being the champion for the attempted WCW relaunch. In that scenario, Booker T gets his "rematch", and Buff bullshit doesn't happen. May have changed the entire landscape of WCW/WWE reboot.

*4a) (even though it just happened) Cody Rhodes def. Big Show at 'Mania. (Or at least, ultimately win it back for keeps). Look, I know it isn't likely, but I liked the idea of Cody "pulling an Ultimate Warrior". The concern is that they're just going to cycle them both into something else instead of feuding over the IC for awhile. A feud and some title defenses would put some cred back into the belt, but we know how that goes around WWE... it's Russian Roulette if they're going to run with a feud or pull the trigger on something else.

*4b) Sheamus def. Bryan at 'Mania... just not like that.

It isn't just the match, it's how quickly they seem to want to step over D Bryan. I mean, no rematch, no interjection... just a returning ADR? I don't see why bashing Danielson is so fun to do around here, but Dos Caras is A-Ok. They both got pushed to the top pretty fast, just the one guy got a rich guy gimmick to run with and the other guy didn't get any kind of packaging, so don't throw that "charisma" shit out there. Hell, Punk was kinda bland on his debut, too. Give that part time.

Back to the match: DttS's idea of having the match restart is a good one. Make it as if he were actually leaving the building, THEN send his ass back to the ring to lose in record time, which I guess was the plan. He has a gripe about "being forced to compete twice" and "being cheated" out of his title to be parlayed into something more.

(refered to them as "a" and "b" since they happened on the same night, I feel as if one of these changes happened, the other shouldn't)

5) Christian def. Orton on Smackdown, retaining WHC. It seems they were so desperate for Christian to be a heel again that they shot shit that was working down too quickly. We have Christian "finally winning the big one" with the support of the retiring-oh-too-soon Edge. Yes, there's the "sympathy" reign, which is squashed with Christian's loss. The thing is, Christian could have been defeated by "Silverback v2" Mark Henry. In fact, having Henry ruin the matches between the two consistently and interjecting himself without Christian going heel could have worked just as well. You still got Christian and Orton as faces, Henry beating/injuring them both & going on to be WHC, and Sheamus being the guy who can step up and take him out, as it happened.

This is where the "one more match" could have worked. Instead of making him look like a whiny heel pussy who can't get it done, he becomes the guy who got legit screwed and injured. And "not getting it done" against Mark Henry doesn't seem all that weak as opposed to losing chance after chance to people down the card to not even get your belt back. Instead of Edge sympathy, he would get his own, and winning the belt again would be money when the payoff came.

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John cena over the rock- the rock is going to be gone for a while and would have given more impact for Brock attacking cena on raw

Randy orton over the undertaker at wm 21- this was the only time I could have seen someone going over the undertaker and the only time I wanted some key to

Alberto del rio over edge at wm 27- the only good part of edge winning was that it ended up being his last match otherwise del rio would have gotten a lot more out of it

Triple h over Shawn michaels at wm 20- idk why no one won this match it was like no one was world heavyweight champion for a few months afterwards

Haha couldn't really think of anything else
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:12 AM   #54
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Rick Rude over Ultimate Warrior at SummerSlam 90. Rick Rude never got the WWF belt and he was a much better rassler than Warrior.
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I want Punk/Lesnar at Mania next year for the belt. I have a feeling Lesnar is going to recieve hismonster push again, and eventually win the belt. Punk having to start fron the bottom up while Brock rips through the main event only to lose to Punk at Mania would be something interesting and help give Punk that triumphant Mania moment.
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I'm happy with the way the match turned out, but I would have liked to have seen the riot if Cena had gone over Rob Van Dam at One Night Stand.
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The perfect booking for Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus would have been something like this:

Daniel Bryan and Sheamus wrestle the match everyone knows they could have. They do their usual spots inside the ring and out. Bryan even busts out the "I've got until 5!" bit. Sheamus starts his usual babyface dominance shtick, though, but as he is setting up the Brogue Kick, Bryan rolls out of the ring, grabs the World Heavyweight Title and goes to take a cheap countout loss at WrestleMania of all places.

Sheamus is having none of that, however, and leaves the ring and catches Bryan outside. He tosses the World Heavyweight Champ back into the ring, but Bryan blasts Sheamus with the World Heavyweight Title as The Celtic Warrior gets back into the ring. The referee is forced to call for the bell and Bryan just stands there in the ring -- looking like a smug bastard -- having technically retained the World Heavyweight Championship despite losing to Sheamus.

Theodore Long's music then hits and he tells Bryan "Not at WrestleMania, playa. For this moment in time, I am still the SmackDown! General Manager, so Mr. Referee...restart this match with no countouts and no disqualifications!" Bryan yells out "NO! NO! NO!" He is in the driver's seat, though, and manages to use the ring ropes for some nasty -- technically not illegal anymore -- submission holds. Sheamus makes a vicious comeback however, just as it looks like Bryan is going to put his opponent down. Sheamus catches Bryan coming off the top rope in desperation with a Brogue Kick. It looks like Sheamus is about to win the World Heavyweight Title when The Miz hits the ring and blasts Sheamus out of nowhere with the Skull-Crushing Finale. Bryan then worms into the cover and retains the World Heavyweight Title.

This accomplishes the following:

* Sheamus looks like an absolute beast by making it look like he should have beaten Bryan for the World Title not just once; but twice.

* Bryan keeps going as World Heavyweight Champion, which was a heat machine. Sheamus would be the one to eventual dethrone Bryan, but you'd just build Sheamus up a bit more and give him more of a "journey" to the title.

* It sets up Sheamus vs. The Miz for Extreme Rules, which is a pretty fresh match and gives Sheamus a victory en route to becoming World Heavyweight Champion. Daniel Bryan would defend the World Heavyweight Title against Randy Orton -- which would be an amazing match and give Bryan another really massive victory. Kane would return at Extreme Rules after being taken out by Orton at Mania, allowing Orton vs. Kane and Sheamus vs. Bryan to be established nicely for Over the Limit -- only with more build for each.

* It gives Teddy Long a bit of a WrestleMania moment and gives people a reason (if they didn't already have one) to really get behind him in the 12-Man Tag later on.

That being said, it didn't make my list because what happened might actually be one of the highlights of Daniel Bryan's career if they capitalise on it.
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Could you imagine the airbrushing work he'd get on his tights if he did win the big one?


The IC belt one was pretty f'n epic.

Hell, he may have even been the first guy to start the trend of custom world championships way before the "Smoking Skull". We'd be around here talking about Rick Rude's Pornstache Belt.
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