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Old 07-27-2012, 10:43 AM   #1
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Lesnar and HHH should go to a draw/double countout.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:57 AM   #2
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Dude, even I think Brock is going over. I feel like it is 70/30 for Brock winning. I can see HHH winning, but I think a lot of it depends on their plans for Brock at Survivor Series. Also, do not even fucking act like Triple H squashed Punk at NoC last year. It was a fucking war and an awesome match that Triple H won by basically collapsing on CM Punk. Triple H needed to win that match because CM Punk had been doing NOTHING but making him his bitch on the mic for the past 2 months. It didn't hurt CM Punk in the slightest and showed that CM Punk can still lose as the "top babyface" and be perfectly fine.
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If James Steele thinks HHH is gonna take the loss then I would be hard pressed to argue with him.
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Mideon should return to interfere and take out Lesnar and hug HHH
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...Triple H is going to go over. I cannot believe people are questioning this.
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Only if it's Naked Mideon.
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They should do an angle where Lesnar "shoots" on HHH and busts him open with his hammerfists.
Then HHH can be out legit because of that heinous attack.

Speaking of which, can Lesnar be arrested if he was to beat up HHH for real during a match?
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Lesnar has to win. It makes no sense for him to lose to Triple H. That would make him 0-2 in his WWE return and he lose any aura he has left. The guy is supposed to be booked as unstoppable monster.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:26 PM   #9
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Have Heath Slater go over him clean at Summerslam, The Rumble and Mania.
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And then burry Slater afterwards
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He either needs to win over Triple H or at least something similar to Triple H vs Taker II where the match seems like a very brutal battle but the main difference of Lesnar being the one to slowly stand up while Triple H is barely moveable. It would make Lesnar still look like a beast while showing that he can take one hell of a beating and still come out standing.

Would also regain his unstoppable force that was diminished a bit after Cena-Lesnar turned into another "Passion of the Cena" and "over coming the odds" type match for Cena who won even though he barely attacked Lesnar compared to what Lesnar did.
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Lesnar vs. a built-up Ryback at Wrestlemania?

Have a built up Ryback go over Lesnar since Ryback will be a part of the WWE's future while Lesnar will not be.
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Lesnar vs. a built-up Ryback at Wrestlemania?

Have a built up Ryback go over Lesnar since Ryback will be a part of the WWE's future while Lesnar will not be.
This is what I was thinking. At Survivor Series, have Team Lesnar (Lesnar, Show, Tensai, Henry, & maybe Matt Morgan if he's back) vs. Cena, Sheamus, Orton, Ryback, & another babyface. Have Lesnar dq'd for excessive violence, to send a message to Ryback.

The match comes down to Ryback vs. Show & Tensai. Ryback eliminates Tensai, leaving him & Show. Show hits him with a WMD, Ryback no sells it, yells "STUPID" at Show, and hits his finisher. 1-2-3. After the match, Ryback stands above Show, yelling "Feed me Brock" over and over, while Brock looks worried on the ramp. Stretch it out till Mania, put Ryback over, and you have a new star.
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I like Heyman's idea. They would have to rush Ryback's build in the next few months though to make that more worthy than, say, Lesnar-Taker.
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Under no circumstances do I believe Brock will go over Triple H.

And now that Paul Heyman has brought Stephanie into the mix, and has mentioned the Levesque-McMahon kids, there's no way Triple H does not come out of this looking like a hero.
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And now that Paul Heyman has brought Stephanie into the mix, and has mentioned the Levesque-McMahon kids, there's no way Triple H does not come out of this looking like a hero.
I see where you're coming from. There are ways to make him look like a hero without him winning the match though.
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It's weird. I fully expect some people to think Triple H will win. Like I said, I wouldn't go 100% on Brock winning. But the level of assuredness by some people of Triple H winning is bizarre.

There's just no reason for this feud to have ever been started other than to build Lesnar up more before whatever the big climactic match he has at Mania against a guy who is established and won't be effected by the loss. Cena beating Lesnar was HUGE. Cena came out looking like a badass. Cena is the full-time face of the company. Triple H is basically all about business now. He's not a full-time wrestler. He doesn't need to be put over and he's 100% in "what's best for business" mode. What does it do for anyone for Triple H to go over Lesnar?
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What does it do for anyone for Triple H to go over Lesnar?
Personal satisfaction for "The Game".

I've heard interviews where Triple H has said that he wishes Brock would've left differently in 2004, that he wishes Brock would've valued all he was given a little bit more. I believe that deep down inside, Triple H wants to go over Brock just because it'd feel good.
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No. Just no. The best personal satisfaction he can get now is making sure the business is successful.
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It's weird. I fully expect some people to think Triple H will win. Like I said, I wouldn't go 100% on Brock winning. But the level of assuredness by some people of Triple H winning is bizarre.

There's just no reason for this feud to have ever been started other than to build Lesnar up more before whatever the big climactic match he has at Mania against a guy who is established and won't be effected by the loss. Cena beating Lesnar was HUGE. Cena came out looking like a badass. Cena is the full-time face of the company. Triple H is basically all about business now. He's not a full-time wrestler. He doesn't need to be put over and he's 100% in "what's best for business" mode. What does it do for anyone for Triple H to go over Lesnar?
I get what you're saying, but how did the business benefit from Triple H going over CM Punk during The Summer of Punk angle? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not at all complaining -- I'm just asking how one can be so sure Triple H will job to Brock because "it's good for business" when Lesnar has already lost since returning and within the past year, Triple H has gone over top babyfaces. Also, Triple H cleared Lesnar out of the ring on RAW this past week. That was a big RAW -- Lesnar putting Triple H in the Kimura before DX ran out to save Triple H would have been fine storytelling.

I don't think it will be the wrong move to put Triple H over at SummerSlam -- especially if they do it in a way like I suggested -- but I'm not going to be shocked if it happens. Not by a long shot.
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I think this match is set up for one reason: to assuage Lesnar's frustrations with what happened at Extreme Rules. He was legitimately pissed that Cena didn't get stretchered out OR sell the broken arm the night next on RAW. WWE knows that Lesnar is a cash cow and his match at WrestleMania is going to be huge, no matter who he goes up against. So they have to keep him happy and make up for what happened at Extreme Rules.

The way that they're going to do this is have Triple H "take the bullet" for the good of the business. They'll have a great evenly matched encounter for the first part of the match, but then Lesnar is just going to brutalize him. Brock is going to dismantle Triple H and probably smear his blood across his chest. He's going to pulverize Triple H and then make him pass out from the pain of having a broken arm via Kimura.

And then Brock looks like a monster. Triple H eventually comes back to announce that, at WrestleMania, Brock is going to face the one man that no one - not himself, not HBK, and not a long list of legendary superstars, could defeat: Undertaker. Pre-WrestleMania, maybe Lesnar brutalizes Kane to add some fuel to the fire (we've never seen Kane get totally fucking demolished by anyone). Then at Mania, Taker beats Lesnar.
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I actually think that Triple H will win at SummerSlam, but I think it will feature shenanigans. I see Brock destroying Shawn Michaels in the build to the match, and then Triple H is all "I'll avenge you, buddy." At SummerSlam, both guys look even, but HBK then appears and then gives Lesnar the Sweet Chin Music into the Pedigree.

In a perfect world, I would absolutely love to see Brock vs. HBK at WrestleMania next year. No other Brock match really interests me nearly as much. The size difference between the two alone makes me interested to see the match. I doubt HBK would come out of retirement to face Brock, but it would be dollars, so I wouldn't say it is impossible. The story there could be pretty immense.
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Pretty much everyone agrees that Lesnar should win, it basically seems like the real battle is around the size of HHH's ego.

Personally I think it's huge, Lesnar's jobbing alll year
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The Triple H-CM Punk match was... weird. It was all oddly planned out in haste and in the end it was just a tool to hype the Miz and R-Truth vs Punk and HHH storyline and the Triple H vs Kevin Nash storyline as opposed to the end point of a fevered HHH-Punk rivalry like it seemed it was going to be months down the road.

This match is the exact opposite as far as plan and build. There is no haste here and there's no bigger storyline hovering around it. There was a thought months ago of "We need to build up to an eventual Brock Lesnar vs Triple H match." The match being a peak and not just a lead in to something else.

I'm just saying, with that in mind, why would they want to build HHH vs Lesnar? Isn't Triple H THE perfect guy to be over enough for Lesnar to get his Cena loss back without really ruining a full time worker? "We need to build to a Lesnar-HHH match so HHH can go over" just seems so.... "Huh!?"

Like I said, I'd still leave open a chance that Triple H wins. It would be bad for Brock's badass character but WWE is not above bad booking. The thought of maybe The Undertaker helping Triple H win and starting the build to Taker-Lesnar at Mania is one thing that crossed my mind. I'd hate for this huge build up to just turn out to be a build up to something else though.
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The Triple H-CM Punk match was... weird. It was all oddly planned out in haste and in the end it was just a tool to hype the Miz and R-Truth vs Punk and HHH storyline and the Triple H vs Kevin Nash storyline as opposed to the end point of a fevered HHH-Punk rivalry like it seemed it was going to be months down the road.

This match is the exact opposite as far as plan and build. There is no haste here and there's no bigger storyline hovering around it. There was a thought months ago of "We need to build up to an eventual Brock Lesnar vs Triple H match." The match being a peak and not just a lead in to something else.

I'm just saying, with that in mind, why would they want to build HHH vs Lesnar? Isn't Triple H THE perfect guy to be over enough for Lesnar to get his Cena loss back without really ruining a full time worker? "We need to build to a Lesnar-HHH match so HHH can go over" just seems so.... "Huh!?"

Like I said, I'd still leave open a chance that Triple H wins. It would be bad for Brock's badass character but WWE is not above bad booking. The thought of maybe The Undertaker helping Triple H win and starting the build to Taker-Lesnar at Mania is one thing that crossed my mind. I'd hate for this huge build up to just turn out to be a build up to something else though.
I think it's nice that you're trying, but the idea of doing Triple H vs. Kevin Nash in 2011 was a pretty dumb idea in itself. The whole thing was terribly booked, really. There were moments with The Miz and R-Truth that were fun, but beyond that?

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Vince, in his infinite brilliance, has this set up so that either way the match goes it makes sense and works going forward.
Although I do agree with this. I just think that people saying Triple H is going to go over shouldn't be torn apart when there have been nonsensical decisions involving Triple H in the recent past, and that it would make sense for him to get the hero's victory at SummerSlam. It would also make sense for Triple H to take a beating and further the story, but I would actually be more surprised if Cena walks out of SummerSlam WWE Champion than at Triple H beating Lesnar.
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I think it's nice that you're trying, but the idea of doing Triple H vs. Kevin Nash in 2011 was a pretty dumb idea in itself. The whole thing was terribly booked, really. There were moments with The Miz and R-Truth that were fun, but beyond that?
Trying what? At what point did I praise any part of this as a good idea? I simply stated what had happened and what Triple H-CM Punk was used for...
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As much as Heyman has antagonized Hunter, with Brock breaking Trips arm, and potentially attacking Shawn Michaels at the HBK appreciation night....

...you are batshit if you think Triple H isn't going over. You cannot be this dense lol.
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...you are batshit if you think Triple H isn't going over. You cannot be this dense lol.
Why? The guy has another 2 or 3 matches , one probably being against 'Taker at 'mania, so what's the point of having Brock lose again, to a guy who wrestles part time and won't be affected by the result in the least? If he's going after the streak you want him to look as fierce as possible to make it look like he has a chance, especially considering the money he's costing. Everyone agrees it was shitty booking to have him lose against Cena so why would it make sense for HHH to go over, because he beat Punk last year in a clusterfuck of a program that was built around Nash?
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As much as Heyman has antagonized Hunter, with Brock breaking Trips arm, and potentially attacking Shawn Michaels at the HBK appreciation night....

...you are batshit if you think Triple H isn't going over. You cannot be this dense lol.
Don't mind me. Just quoting all these for easy access later.
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...you are batshit if you think Triple H isn't going over. You cannot be this dense lol.
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Slater's segment outdrew the HHH/Lesnar segment last Monday.

Yup, Slater to end the streak!
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What they should do is team Lesnar up with Slater and call the team Brock and Roll. They win every match until they rassle Ryback who beats bofum in 15 seconds.
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Brock should smash through HHH at SummerSlam and break his back. He should then lock him in a Lion's Den cage and tell him that he will destroy WWE, lastly telling HHH "When WWE is ashes, you have my permission to die."

Over the following months Lesnar dominates the competition/injures a few people/intimidates Vince. During this time we see vignettes of HHH training himself before he climbs out of the Den to battle Lesnar/save WWE.
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During the match, Brock should attack HHH and start beating him up "for real" with the commentators shouting, "THIS IS A SHOOT!", "BROCK ISNT SUPPOSE TO DO THIS, THIS WASNT IN THE SCRIPT!!!" ending in Brock being "arrested" only to have HHH challenge him to a shoot MMA match before which they show HHH training with like Tito Ortiz or something.
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During the match, Brock should attack HHH and start beating him up "for real" with the commentators shouting, "THIS IS A SHOOT!", "BROCK ISNT SUPPOSE TO DO THIS, THIS WASNT IN THE SCRIPT!!!" ending in Brock being "arrested" only to have HHH challenge him to a shoot MMA match before which they show HHH training with like Tito Ortiz or something.
see: WCW in 2000
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