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Old 12-10-2012, 01:50 PM   #41
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Turning Cena doesn't solve bad writing.
Also, this.

You'd still have to make the character interesting.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:53 PM   #42
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No. Would much rather see Ziggler retain at TLC and cash in sometime between Royal Rumble ’13 and WM XXIX and have an actual title run that lasts longer than 5 days. He needs it to be built as a constant main-eventer. Right now he’s just sorta floating around the mid-upper card. Cena’s been to the top 10 times before, I say let him put DZ over at TLC.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:23 PM   #43
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I think having Cena as the WHC would actually be a great idea. I'd love him on SmackDown.

Off Raw, in other words.

I can dig some of his matches when he pushes himself, but not his mic work. Tone him down just a notch. Sick of his face. Let Ryback run Raw for a while, let both of them feud with fresh talent.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:45 PM   #44
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Turning Cena doesn't solve bad writing.
Indeed.

Though in a company run by easy answers, I'm surprised they haven't tried it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:40 PM   #45
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He brings in a lot of money the merch, they only understand the bottom line.

I am not trying to imply that I want to see him turn heel.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:20 PM   #46
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He brings in a lot of money the merch, they only understand the bottom line.

I am not trying to imply that I want to see him turn heel.
They usually don't even understand that, which was sort of the point.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:51 AM   #47
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I think having Cena as the WHC would actually be a great idea. I'd love him on SmackDown.

Off Raw, in other words.

I can dig some of his matches when he pushes himself, but not his mic work. Tone him down just a notch. Sick of his face. Let Ryback run Raw for a while, let both of them feud with fresh talent.
You do know there's very little brand identity anymore right? Even if he was the World Champion he'd still probably be on Raw like every week.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:17 PM   #48
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Also, this.

You'd still have to make the character interesting.
I have confidence that they could turn Cena effectively and easily. If he wins the title during the heel turn it elevates the belt IMO. We haven't seen Cena as heel for years, and it would be something different with a stale played out character.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:25 PM   #49
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I'm still thinking that Cena beating Dolph would be the better overall direction for the company. Yeah, Dolph is on the verge of "breaking out," but I think he is going to do that regardless of whether he has a blue briefcase or not. In fact, losing it might give him "drive" and enough of a character evolution to seem more dangerous and less "light" in the ring.

People always talk about the Money in the Bank Winner cashing in and losing as a possibility, and I don't think that ever really made sense. But I can totally get behind someone being forced into a situation where they are forced to defend their briefcase, and then they lose it before they even get a chance to cash it in.

Ziggler, as good as he is, doesn't seem like a bigger deal than Cena right now, and I don't even think clean victorious against Cena are going to help with that. I think it's a character thing, and losing his guaranteed ticket to the big dance seems like something that could shake Dolph out of that.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:46 AM   #50
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I'm still thinking that Cena beating Dolph would be the better overall direction for the company. Yeah, Dolph is on the verge of "breaking out," but I think he is going to do that regardless of whether he has a blue briefcase or not. In fact, losing it might give him "drive" and enough of a character evolution to seem more dangerous and less "light" in the ring.

People always talk about the Money in the Bank Winner cashing in and losing as a possibility, and I don't think that ever really made sense. But I can totally get behind someone being forced into a situation where they are forced to defend their briefcase, and then they lose it before they even get a chance to cash it in.

Ziggler, as good as he is, doesn't seem like a bigger deal than Cena right now, and I don't even think clean victorious against Cena are going to help with that. I think it's a character thing, and losing his guaranteed ticket to the big dance seems like something that could shake Dolph out of that.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:21 PM   #51
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Agree with Noid 100%. Losing his MITB is unique and will help his character evolve, especially if it leads to a Vince ass kicking and a feud with Triple H.

With Cena though, I'd have him win the case and fail AGAIN when he cashes in. It'll build more sympathy for his character and also help Cena evolve, as he has never had such failure in his career. It would then obviously culminate with him finally winning the WWE championship from The Rock at Mania.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:42 PM   #52
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Agree with Noid 100%. Losing his MITB is unique and will help his character evolve, especially if it leads to a Vince ass kicking and a feud with Triple H.

With Cena though, I'd have him win the case and fail AGAIN when he cashes in. It'll build more sympathy for his character and also help Cena evolve, as he has never had such failure in his career. It would then obviously culminate with him finally winning the WWE championship from The Rock at Mania.


Still think it would be “unique”?!
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An unadvertised match where the winner was chosen due to a sudden injury and the loser left TV. Not quite the same thing..
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An unadvertised match where the winner was chosen due to a sudden injury and the loser left TV. Not quite the same thing..
It still happened. My point stands.
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Agree with Noid 100%. Losing his MITB is unique and will help his character evolve, especially if it leads to a Vince ass kicking and a feud with Triple H.

With Cena though, I'd have him win the case and fail AGAIN when he cashes in. It'll build more sympathy for his character and also help Cena evolve, as he has never had such failure in his career. It would then obviously culminate with him finally winning the WWE championship from The Rock at Mania.
Not sure I agree with Cena failing to cash in again. Unless he announces the match ahead of time and Sheamus beats him cleanly or something.
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Or Show. Whatever works to build to a meaningful WWE title win for Cena at Mania. And then Ryback can beat Show at Mania in the undercard for the WHC.
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There's only one man who should be the next WHC
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