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Old 01-31-2013, 09:35 PM   #41
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:39 PM   #42
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In this interview Bret says:

"I look at [CM] Punk... I can look at certain wrestlers and I go, this guy is an innovator. Like a Rey Mysterio, who's done stuff that no one has ever thought of before. Punk has done stuff -- really unique moves and you go, 'gee I've never seen anything like that before.' They innovate all the time, and they create new sequences and moves and things.

"Then you look at someone like Triple H. When I look at him -- he's always had a good look as far as his body went -- he always had a pretty muscular physique. But you look at someone like Hunter and you wonder, what has he really done. One move that he ever created that nobody ever saw before or some highspots or an idea for a match... He's mostly a guy that just showed up and they made him. He's always been a decent wrestler -- I would consider him a good wrestler and pretty talented. But great? I don't know, I don't think so.

Listen. Bret Hart may be the best technical wrestler of all time. He may be the best at making wrestling look "real" without hurting his opponents (as he always says). But you look at Bret's career, and he didn't "innovate" much, and he certainly didn't creat new sequences and moves all the time. You look at most of Bret's matches, and he did the same moves. Superplex off the top rope. He and his opponent would come at each other and do a double clothesline where both would lay down while the referee counted, until one of the two would get up. Back breaker followed by the diving elbow off the 2nd rope. And sharpshooter. He'd incorporate a bulldog here and there, he'd dive to the outside sometimes, in 1997 he began doing the figure-four at the turnbuckle. But that was it. When you watch a Bret Hart match, you won't see too many "highspots".

And if I may say so myself, Triple H has had more exciting matches than Bret did.

For Bret, or anyone to say "What has Triple H really done?" is crazy, the man has a legacy.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:41 PM   #43
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Bret Hart is boring, Triple H isn't.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:58 PM   #44
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i mean is hhh great?! sure i believe so maybe he was made to an extent being with steff but dude can go and has always been enjoyable over the years.


do i think brets jealous of hhH?? no i believe he does think hhh is an inferior wrestler but its brets opinion to have
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:13 PM   #45
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I agree with Bret.

Could never get into HHH matches. The guy can be very funny in skits and does a good job as an authority figure but thats about it. He has had big matches and headlines Mania but so have a lot of other people.
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Bret is not jealous, I think he's just cocky/arrogant and very sure of his ability.
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He's had plenty of great matches. That's what you get when you feed the greatest talent of three eras to one mediocre wrestler.

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LOL love it! ahahahahaha honestly, I don't think Bret is right, HHH has had some great matches, but at least he's not afraid to say what he thinks.

Neither is the WBC.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:00 AM   #48
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Bret is not jealous, I think he's just cocky/arrogant and very sure of his ability.
If Bret could suck his own cock he would. Even that would be boring though.
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Bret calling somebody's matches predictable? Bitch is wrestle by numbers.
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He's had plenty of great matches. That's what you get when you feed the greatest talent of three eras to one mediocre wrestler.
And therein lies the rub.

We can romantisize or villify Bret's words, but in the end, Hunter was more of a guy who was able to make the best of everything he's been handed. Without Shawn, or The Kliq, or Steph, a freak injury, or possibly even Owen's death (if that whole "Owen was supposed to be The Game" thing has truth in it), he likely would have been one of those guys not able to catch a break... or get a push, and then just have it sort of trail off. I still am not fond of when he dominated the first and last 15 minutes or so of both RAW and Smackdown for weeks on end, but he more than likely would have been used (or unused) akin to someone like Zack Ryder is now. However, I think his stock would have gone up- that is to say, he would be viewed in a better light- if he wasn't around other people who were, for lack of a better term, freaks of nature.

He's better than mediocre, but being constantly surrounded and outshone by guys like Austin or The Rock or Taker or even his own buddy Shawn...

In short, he's more of an Arn Anderson than a Ric Flair. I don't mean that as a slight against either him or Arn, either. The same thing that Bret says about Hunter not having a match that stands out as memorable can also be turned around to not recalling any match of his that shit the bed... even back in his "Conneticut Blueblood" gimmick days.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:10 AM   #51
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Bret is just upset that he isn't as awesome as the king of kings
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If Bret could suck his own cock he would. Even that would be boring though.
This time you and I agree, however Triple H isn't great either hes always came across to me as a good support tier character, never a main eventer and during his time as the main focus in 2001 I had completely stopped watching the show.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:27 AM   #53
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He was out for over half of 2001. Get your shit straight before you start spewing said shit out of mouth.
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He pretty much pulled a Hogan and made himself the focus of the show. WWF's era of pulling massive ratings ended shortly after.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:55 AM   #55
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I do not have a bias for either guy...to get that out there first

#1 i would like Bret for once to tell everyone who he thinks a great wrestler is, aside from himself because he will always tell you how great he was. But who else does he find great??

#2 i assume what Bret means is that he likes guys who do more move sets, more improvisation in a match who let the wrestling manuevers paint the picture as opposed to the story, the interviews, the build etc.. because from an unbiased standpoint that is where Bret lacked. Bret matches were typically better in ring and HHH matches generally had better builds and lead ins and frankly had more of a payoff after the bell IMO

#3 at some point havent Bret and HHH wrestled??and if so...wouldn't that kill Bret's claim that he could have a great match with anyone?
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1. Has hhh responded?
2. Wonder if we will see bret from time to time in wwe after this with hhh taking the reigns slowly over time....
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I do not have a bias for either guy...to get that out there first

#1 i would like Bret for once to tell everyone who he thinks a great wrestler is, aside from himself because he will always tell you how great he was. But who else does he find great??

#2 i assume what Bret means is that he likes guys who do more move sets, more improvisation in a match who let the wrestling manuevers paint the picture as opposed to the story, the interviews, the build etc.. because from an unbiased standpoint that is where Bret lacked. Bret matches were typically better in ring and HHH matches generally had better builds and lead ins and frankly had more of a payoff after the bell IMO

#3 at some point havent Bret and HHH wrestled??and if so...wouldn't that kill Bret's claim that he could have a great match with anyone?
Bret and HHH did wrestle in around '96 ad '97. Also, he was praising CM Punk and Rey as great.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:25 AM   #59
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I hated the Michaels/HHH era DX. Unless they were intentionally trying to look/dress/act like the most annoying frat douchebags you've ever seen, then they were a right pair of weirdos. HHH going with Chyna before settling down with a beard in SMH makes sense if the whole DX thing was for him to act as gay as possible in public without ever having to come out.

Still, I enjoyed a lot of his more serious turn in 2000. It was his return to participate in the absolute shitting over the Undisputed Championship in 2002 that put me off him.
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HHH/Taker 1 and Brock/HHH were pretty damn great.
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i never liked ether one i think they both are over-raited. i think i have more respect for trips though bret bitches too much.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:10 AM   #62
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I never thought of Triple H as an amazing wrestler either but there is no question how much of a draw he was and his ability to entertain a crowd, especially on the mic. Bret Hart was definitely more technically sound but as an overall package, I'd rather watch a Triple H match over a Bret Hart match any day.
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After thinking about it I feel that if anybody was going to make those remarks only a select few people could get away with it with any credibility. Hart being one of them.

I still don't know to what level I agree with him, though.
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I see some feel this way but I never felt HHH was that big of a draw. I thought he was good for the hardcore fan (as was Bret and HBK) but he never reached casual fans like Hogan, Rock, SCSA and UT, who drew in more crowds, more ratings and were actually drawing money and attention. I suppose HHH and Bret are just different sides of the same coin in the respect. Bret was better in ring, HHH better on mic and storytelling, and both boring in their own ways.
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This is just stupid. Bret's lost his mind.

- Triple H vs Austin at No Way Out 2002 (3 Stages of Hell)
- Triple H vs Chris Benoit at No Mercy 2000
- Triple H vs Shawn Michaels at Summerslam 2002 (Street Fight)
- Triple H vs The Rock at Judgment Day 2000 (Iron Man)

Just to name a few off the top of my head.
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He was out for over half of 2001. Get your shit straight before you start spewing said shit out of mouth.

My bad. I meant to say the Mcmahon Helmsley era is that pinpoint enough for
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:51 PM   #68
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- Triple H vs Chris Benoit at No Mercy 2000
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This is just stupid. Bret's lost his mind.

- Triple H vs Austin at No Way Out 2002 (3 Stages of Hell)
- Triple H vs Chris Benoit at No Mercy 2000
- Triple H vs Shawn Michaels at Summerslam 2002 (Street Fight)
- Triple H vs The Rock at Judgment Day 2000 (Iron Man)

Just to name a few off the top of my head.
Other than the Benoit match, which of those aren't gimmicked?
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Iron Man is hardly a gimmick in the same way the other 2 are. A compelling Iron Man match is harder to pull off than a non-gimmicked match if anything. It was also better than the Bret/Shawn Iron Man, which is saying something given that included Michaels as one of the wrestlers
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The Rock-HHH iron man match was not that good.

Even though HHH single-handedly made The Rock in it.
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it was still better than HBK/Bret
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You're being silly.
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how exactly? Two of the greatest workers of all time, one being the greatest of all time doesn't guarantee excellence. How long has it been since you even watched the match? I love Bret and I worship Shawn/I like them both more than Triple H but other than it being "an impressive feat", the WrestleMania XII Iron Man match outside of the last minute and the overtime period simply wasn't all that good. Notice how none of the other Iron Man matches after it ever finished 1-0?
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If Bret could suck his own cock he would. Even that would be boring though.
But wold it get 5 stars?

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And therein lies the rub.

We can romantisize or villify Bret's words, but in the end, Hunter was more of a guy who was able to make the best of everything he's been handed. Without Shawn, or The Kliq, or Steph, a freak injury, or possibly even Owen's death (if that whole "Owen was supposed to be The Game" thing has truth in it), he likely would have been one of those guys not able to catch a break... or get a push, and then just have it sort of trail off. I still am not fond of when he dominated the first and last 15 minutes or so of both RAW and Smackdown for weeks on end, but he more than likely would have been used (or unused) akin to someone like Zack Ryder is now. However, I think his stock would have gone up- that is to say, he would be viewed in a better light- if he wasn't around other people who were, for lack of a better term, freaks of nature.

He's better than mediocre, but being constantly surrounded and outshone by guys like Austin or The Rock or Taker or even his own buddy Shawn...

In short, he's more of an Arn Anderson than a Ric Flair. I don't mean that as a slight against either him or Arn, either. The same thing that Bret says about Hunter not having a match that stands out as memorable can also be turned around to not recalling any match of his that shit the bed... even back in his "Conneticut Blueblood" gimmick days.
Tripel H is mediocre, given the people he was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with. And that's kind of the important measure here. I mean, sure, he's not mediocre compared to those ERAG matches, and hell yeah, most of us couldn't do his job, but compared to his peers?

Mediocre. I admit that he got further than his talent should allow, but that's not saying much considering the damage he did to the show even as just a performer. People may not remember his bad matches, but that's because people predominantly tuned out during his matches.

Personally, I'd say " change the channel heat" is the worst kind. Unless you're a smark, in which even turning off the set proves how good a heel you are...Even when you're a face.

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He pretty much pulled a Hogan and made himself the focus of the show. WWF's era of pulling massive ratings ended shortly after.
It's almost like feeding an entire company to a guy who couldn't draw in the quarter-hours was a bad idea or something.
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Iron Man is hardly a gimmick in the same way the other 2 are. A compelling Iron Man match is harder to pull off than a non-gimmicked match if anything. It was also better than the Bret/Shawn Iron Man, which is saying something given that included Michaels as one of the wrestlers
That iron man match had like a shit ton of run ins. I'm just saying, more smoke and mirrors. But the Game knows his sports entertainment, and is a hell of a performer in his own right. Just he would miss more than he'd hit for a period of time.
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Now if only James Steele can dial up his Triple H phone and beg him to come back and bury Heath Slater.
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I watched the video when Bret says all this, and you can tell he still hasn't gotten over the whole Montreal issue.
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I don't consider Triple H to be a "bad wrestler" in any way but his time at the top when he was doing the 20 minute monologues to open Raw every week and beating all the babyfaces no matter what actually made me stop watching wrestling for a few years. I don't know if it's more him or the way he was booked, but at his peak I had absolutely no desire to watch.
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