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Old 03-17-2013, 01:19 PM   #41
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Yes. The Undertaker should choose his opponent. Feels like a stupid WWE video game storyline.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:20 PM   #42
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For the record, I will be watching Wrestlemania and I expect the actual show to be pretty good. I'm just not really pumped up for any of it though, and I usually am.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:20 PM   #43
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I've actually said it in a couple of different threads but I think having an angle to determine who faces Undertaker at 'Mania is an obvious mini feud for a guys with nothing to do, just throwing it on a random Raw kinda gave it a meh feeling, having it be a mini tournament over the course of a few weeks, like the 'gold rush' tournament in wwecw could generate something for the losers as well.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:55 PM   #44
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I just don't see why it is stupid. It would make less sense for The Undertaker to randomly pick somebody considering he hasn't had contact with anyone other than Triple H and Shawn Michaels in 5 years. It shows how important The Streak is and makes all of them look good for having the balls to fight for what is likely a WrestleMania loss.
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Yeah, it has been pretty weak. It's like what 2 or 3 weeks before and we only know like a quarter of the card.
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:15 PM   #46
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Gotta say at the moment, the only hype that I'm digging in the Punk/Undertaker one, and that's mostly thanks to Paul Bearer's unfortunate passing. But damn, Punk is so perfect as a heel, an absolute heat-machine, and nobody could pull off the 'disrespect Paul Bearer' angle better than him.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:54 PM   #47
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I just don't see why it is stupid. It would make less sense for The Undertaker to randomly pick somebody considering he hasn't had contact with anyone other than Triple H and Shawn Michaels in 5 years. It shows how important The Streak is and makes all of them look good for having the balls to fight for what is likely a WrestleMania loss.
Taker randomly picking someone wouldn't make sense either. That's where some writing comes into play. He's had these intense builds the past few years now at WrestleMania. They've set a standard. Punk wants to end the streak. What's Taker's motivation? A guy wins a fatal fourway and Taker's like "Hi! That time on the month! Just gonna wrassle a match!" Like STD said, it was like a lame, lazy video game storyline.

Punk coming out when Taker appears on old school Raw and complaining about Taker being just a worse version of The Rock, only appearing on the big shows, saying he wants to end the streak, degrading Taker and getting under his skin enough to get Taker to agree to the match. Would have been simple but at least there would have been some heat behind the feud.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:00 PM   #48
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The build thus far has been pretty weak to be honest.

I remember reading that's the reason Vince fired one of the top creative members last week.

I'm sure the show will deliver the goods, as it generally does, but it's been really lacking in it's build so far.
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I feel like most of the overall hatred of the build is based on people's hatred of Cena and not caring for his redemption story.

I think Rock-Cena is fucking epic and they don't need to, nor should they interact on a weekly basis. Like I said earlier, not having guys interact constantly is a proven way to build anticipation. The story is there and it's been a great one built over 3 years. There's no need for constant segments just for the sake of having them in the same ring at the same time. It doesn't necessarily add anything.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:13 PM   #50
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I just don't care about the Rock-Cena feud.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:21 PM   #51
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This is probably the biggest WWE Title match as far as the guys involved since the brand split. It's gonna make the title seem like a huge deal at least for a while. Something WWE has failed miserably to do for years now. Not to mention the recent history between the two guys.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:32 PM   #52
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Personally, I've just never been invested in the feud between the two. I wasn't at WM27 or 28 either.

I think part of the problem WM has this year is it's very predictable in it's upper card.

Cena wins
HHH wins
Taker wins

And the undercard hasn't been really developed yet as it seems they haven't decided which feuds to settle on for a lot of wrestlers. I think it will be a good show, as it generally is, but the build hasn't gotten me super-enthused yet and usually around this time I start to really anticipate WM and get pumped for it.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:40 PM   #53
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I don't think HHH winning is a lock.
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I think he'll definitely win.

Speaking of the undercard, I heard this was the rumored undercard at the moment:

Team Hell No v. Ziggler/Langston

Jericho v. Fandango

Miz v. Barrett

Team Funk/Cameron/Naomi v. Rhodes Scholars/Bella Twins

Layla v. Kaitlyn

Ryback v. Mark Henry (not him in the 6-man tag)

Sheamus/Show/Orton v. The Shied

and a pre-show match of:

Cesaro v. R-Truth.
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I feel like most of the overall hatred of the build is based on people's hatred of Cena and not caring for his redemption story.
I don't even think its necessarily blind hatred of Cena that makes people not care for his redemption arc. Personally, it's the fact that the man himself didn't seem to remotely care that he lost and was beating Brock Lesnar clean weeks later and still main eventing every PPV even when he's booked in a squash match against Johnny Ace. Sure he can say it's his worst year ever but he's not undergone an inch of actual character development.

Cena is written in a similar way to Pete from The League. There's a group of friends who are huge dicks but they all have horrible things happen to them and through suffering you kind of root for them the way you'd get behind Larry David. Then you have Pete who is probably the biggest dick who rarely gets his comeuppance and even then whenever a bad thing happens to him he's upset for two minutes then suddenly he just doesnt care at all and is back to being a massive piece of shit. So why would you care that a bad thing happens to Pete? Fuck Pete.
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I don't think HHH winning is a lock.
Listen to this man. lol.

WWE definitely swerved me. For the first time at SS last year, they considered long term booking, something they haven't really focused greatly on. With that said, I'm pretty much anticipating mania just to see what surprises we get.
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No matter how the build goes, it never hits me as hard as the few hours before the show starts. It gets me every damn time.
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No matter how the build goes, it never hits me as hard as the few hours before the show starts. It gets me every damn time.
Same here.

The day of WM I generally feel pretty electric.
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Listen to this man. lol.

WWE definitely swerved me. For the first time at SS last year, they considered long term booking, something they haven't really focused greatly on. With that said, I'm pretty much anticipating mania just to see what surprises we get.
I didn't think there would or should be a rematch period considering the match did what it should have done to make Lesnar look like a ridiculous beast by making a man who should be more concerned about the future of the company than putting himself over at this point. Now the rematch is booked. Lesnar beating him again doesn't do much. Triple H beating Lesnar is ridiculous and unnecessary. So there's a stipulation now. I can completely see Stephanie throwing in the towel, HBK costing him the match... basically just using the match to build to something not involving Lesnar so both guys can move on to something else. Just like HHH winning wasn't a lock the first time... it's not a lock this time. The long term goal here isn't necessarily for Triple H to overcome Brock Lesnar.
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I didn't think there would or should be a rematch period considering the match did what it should have done to make Lesnar look like a ridiculous beast by making a man who should be more concerned about the future of the company than putting himself over at this point. Now the rematch is booked. Lesnar beating him again doesn't do much. Triple H beating Lesnar is ridiculous and unnecessary. So there's a stipulation now. I can completely see Stephanie throwing in the towel, HBK costing him the match... basically just using the match to build to something not involving Lesnar so both guys can move on to something else. Just like HHH winning wasn't a lock the first time... it's not a lock this time. The long term goal here isn't necessarily for Triple H to overcome Brock Lesnar.
I agree it doesn't have to be. But we really have no idea what WWE's long term goals are concerning the feud, or if they even have any. I know that sounds pessimistic but...
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We really don't. And that's why you can't call anything a lock.
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I'd lean toward Triple H right now but depending on the stipulation that's named tomorrow night, I could definitely see it go either way.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:52 AM   #64
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I totally agree. The WWE championship match has good heat, but with the Rock missing two Raws going into Mania, it really seems less important than it should.

Punk and Taker have a great story going at the moment with some fantastic heat, but only because WWE lucked out with Paul Bearer's death. While I'm sure they are sorry he passed, the writing staff has to be breathing a sigh of relief that he died when he did. If he hadn't, how could you build one of the biggest matches on the card with a goofy 4 way match?

The Shield is wrestling three other random guys, just like the last few PPVs. While I love the group, we've seen this match before, just with a few different people.

Del Rio and Swagger actually have the best thing going as far as storytelling from the start of the program, but nobody cares. Casual fans don't care, as Jack has only been back on TV for a month or so. And he lost the smarks when he fucked up with that DUI and nearly ruined his shot.

Those are the four officially scheduled matches at the moment. Of course Brock and Trips are going to fight, which should be fun to see. At least that story is fairly decent, and people care about it because Paul Heyman is a fucking genius on the mic. I guess they're putting Ryback and Henry together for the most boring big-man Wrestlemania match this side of Brock vs Goldberg.

But we're less than 3 weeks out from Mania and most of the undercard has no match or hot feud to bring them into one. And of those handful of matches they've actually booked, 4 of the guys aren't even full time. This year's buildup has been incredibly weak.
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The build for Chris Jericho vs. Fandango has begun now. We can all officially relax.
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Although it seems like it would be absolutely complete filler, having Planet Funk facing Team Rhodes Scholars & The Bella Twins would provide a pretty harmless Mania match. I really like Tensai and I'm glad he's found something to do, and if it takes him to WrestleMania, all the better for him. He and Clay could be a tag team for quite a while. They're over as faces now, but you could turn them serious monster heel and just stick a manager with them.
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The problem I have is that it's so goddamn predictable this year.

Cena is going over The Rock...there is absolutely zero reason why he doesn't. No build-up to another PPV, this is Mania. This is also probably not going to be a wrestling classic, as far as ring work goes. Rock not being available for RAW in the weeks before Mania is ridiculous...I know he's a busy guy, but really?

Taker is going over Punk...there is no way they do the entire Paul Bearer/Urn stuff and have a heel Punk go over to end the Streak/take the urn with him.

They can't figure out what to do with the Shield other than feeding random faces to them, and they've arguably beaten better three-man teams already.

Del Rio v. Swagger might be the hardest to call...it's the product of not knowing how much hot water Swagger is in (if any) and Del Rio being a mediocre face.

Trips/Lesnar has to end with Lesnar winning, as there's no way Trips is returning to a full-time schedule with his new responsibilities, and feeding Brock to him at this point makes absolutely no sense.

The biggest disappointment is the Punk/Taker buildup, not because it isn't entertaining but because the outcome is so obvious it ruins the "Will the Streak be ended?" feeling.

I would probably enjoy it more if I wasn't a jaded, cynical-ass wrestling fan.
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...will you still watch it though? If so, it can't be all that bad. Most of the matches will be awesome from an in-ring and atmosphere perspective.
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Agreed...I'll still watch it, it's Mania and it's always worth watching. I'm just nitpicking...hell, I'll most likely be proved wrong.
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I don't think it's certain that Lesnar will win now, you have HHH win so that he can retire on his own terms. There's nothing to say HHH winning = a full time return to the ring.
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I don't even think its necessarily blind hatred of Cena that makes people not care for his redemption arc. Personally, it's the fact that the man himself didn't seem to remotely care that he lost and was beating Brock Lesnar clean weeks later and still main eventing every PPV even when he's booked in a squash match against Johnny Ace. Sure he can say it's his worst year ever but he's not undergone an inch of actual character development.

Cena is written in a similar way to Pete from The League. There's a group of friends who are huge dicks but they all have horrible things happen to them and through suffering you kind of root for them the way you'd get behind Larry David. Then you have Pete who is probably the biggest dick who rarely gets his comeuppance and even then whenever a bad thing happens to him he's upset for two minutes then suddenly he just doesnt care at all and is back to being a massive piece of shit. So why would you care that a bad thing happens to Pete? Fuck Pete.
You forgot the whole Edge having to give Cena a talk about needing to regain his confidence back. After Brock beat the shit out of him over and over.
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That month of Cena's career was like the plot of a Tom Cruise movie.



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The biggest disappointment is the Punk/Taker buildup, not because it isn't entertaining but because the outcome is so obvious it ruins the "Will the Streak be ended?" feeling.
When was the last time this WASN'T the case for a Taker WrestleMania match? And they haven't exactly been disappointing.
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I dunno. Punk mentioned on Raw how he'd be the one to shoulder the burden of ending the streak. Could be ambigious. Of all the people who have said they didn't want the streak to end (didn't Randy Orton turn that offer down or something in 2005?), maybe Punk is saying he doesn't mind having to deal with people's expectations and being the guy who has no problem going over Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

Would be sweet, I'd love to see Undertaker lose just for that "moment" to see the streak end, and CM Punk doing it would be the second best thing ever!

The first, being if Chris Jericho ended the streak.
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HBK ending it would have been the best actually.
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I do wanna see Cena vs Taker next year though. With it being made official going in that it will be Taker's final match.
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I definitely have noticed a huge lack of hype. I don't mind too much, though. It almost kind of gives the matches with the least amount of hype even more of a "what will happen?" feel.

That being said this year's Mania card is definitely not as stacked as in recent years, they've done jack shit to make me care about either the World Heavyweight Championship or WWE Championship match since Rock will obviously be dropping the WWE title to Cena so he can go back to Hollywood and make more mediocre movies, and this whole "man of the people" (ADR) vs. "the real American" just seems like they're laying it on really thick, and it just seems sorta hokey to me, I dunno. Probably will be an anti-climactic "back 'n forth" match where the last guy to successfully slap on his submission will win the title via tap-out. I hope I am proven wrong.

The match I'm most looking forward to is the tag title match...would love to see them do something with Kane or Bryan turning on their partner and/or walking away from the match/screwing their partner over and allowing Big E. and Ziggler to take the titles by making something out of the stuff they've done with the Paul Bearer thing. Maybe have Kane snap and become a one-man wrecking crew heel type again.
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So the match you are most excited for is the one with the least amount of build-up and hype.
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Probably will be an anti-climactic "back 'n forth" match where the last guy to successfully slap on his submission will win the title via tap-out.
Dunno. That sounds like what you would want out of a match. Back and forth action, and then someone wins with their finishing maneuver.

What do you want instead?
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