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Old 03-20-2013, 07:36 PM   #1
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Pretty sure everybody agrees with you. They're saying "never say never".
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:17 PM   #2
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Ezekiel Jackson.

Outside of the small IC title reign and jokes by wrestlers about what the back of his head looks like, he hasn't really done much in the WWE in the past several years. Being injured for most of last year hasn't helped either.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:30 AM   #3
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Ezekiel Jackson.

Outside of the small IC title reign and jokes by wrestlers about what the back of his head looks like, he hasn't really done much in the WWE in the past several years. Being injured for most of last year hasn't helped either.
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:42 PM   #4
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Alex Riley- Though I am a huge fan of A-Ry, WWE is just pissing away money to keep him under contract if they aren't going to use him.

A-Train- He should have stayed in Japan.

Zack Ryder- I have tons of respect that he was able to get over on his own...but WWE made it clear, you only get over in the company when they say you can.

Yoshi- see A-train

JGT- I forget he is still in WWE

Curt Hawkins- I say pair him back with Ryder, another Tag team for the tag team Division but WWE doesn't want to do that.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:50 PM   #5
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Let's juts put Chris Masters on this list as well

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Old 03-21-2013, 07:36 AM   #6
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Christian should be released for sure. Boring as fuck.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:02 AM   #7
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Otunga isn't going anywhere as long as he's Mr. Hudson. I can't see Alex Riley going anywhere in WWE
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:47 AM   #8
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I'm surprised Alex Riley never gets a match, even Yoshi Tatsu appeared out of the abyss on Main Event the other week.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:59 AM   #9
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:31 AM   #10
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Heath Slater is a future World Champ! Christian will be jobbing his way out the door to Slater. No room for vanilla midgets in this company.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:49 AM   #11
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Yoshi Tatsu will stick around until another Japanese wrestler replaces him- I imagine they want at least one at all times for promotional appearances and such.

I wouldnt go as far as saying Heath Slater will be world champ some day- but I think he'll have a long career
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Christian is a former World Heavyweight Champion. Slater is a former........something
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Christian is a way better heel and probably at this point best served in a tag team with an up and coming heel.
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Alex Riley is one of those guys that could be released tomorrow, but could also be repackaged and pushed to the moon just as easily. If the WWE re-signed John Morrison, I really wouldn't mind a heel turn for The Miz, a re-pairing of the two, and Alex Riley to join them as an extra hand.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:07 AM   #15
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Christian is so fucking good, but as a face he gets to show no personality. Also, it doesn't make sense when he switches from being a CLB to a heroic underdog. The WWE had the chance to give him an underdog face push in 2011, but decided that they wanted wormy Christian. Then Daniel Bryan did wormy tiny heel champ well in 2012, so Christian was brought back as a face. It seems like they've got no real idea as to what to do with Christian.

I'd personally enjoy Christian winning the World Heavyweight Championship Money in the Bank Ladder Match later in the year, and the WWE doing a storyline where he's technically a face, but everyone thinks he'll cash his title shot in like a CLB, because they don't think he's got the "right stuff" to be a champion. You can either go with Christian proving them right and being a sneak who cashes in Edge-style, or you can have him challenge heroically, and either win or lose and go off the deep end.

Also, I remember wishing at SummerSlam 2011 that Kevin Nash would return as Diesel and help Christian retain in his No Disqualification Match against Randy Orton. At Night of Champions, Christian could have retained the World Heavyweight Title against some babyface and Orton could have beaten Diesel in a match without a title on the line -- setting up their big rivalry-ender in Hell in a Cell.

Christian could have been such a good heel champ. I still think he can, but I think he will return as a face. Christian beating Cesaro for the US Title and then feuding with Jack Swagger over it could be a good use for the guy.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:55 AM   #16
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heath slater is the only one on your list i do not agree with, ok he is jobber for life but i always see him working. thr guy gets moves and faces over.
That's pretty much textbook "no future."
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:57 AM   #17
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I really liked Riley in NXT, he was like a jock bully from an 80s teen movie. Kind of like the dude in Karate Kid / Just One Of The Guys. Give him that gimmick!



Also, while googling Alex Riley, I found a, er, bromance pic of him and The Miz. Eeesh!

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Old 03-22-2013, 06:24 PM   #18
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I always liked the idea of pairing Riley with Swagger (back when Swagger was jobbing) as a pair of jock-like bullies with a heel J.R. as their "Coach".
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Alex Riley has been getting a small push every time he's on TV lately. Usually into wall, often through a table.
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Hey, what if Zack Ryder began wearing tights that said "NO FUTURE"? That could help him into a fresher gimmick.

Or maybe have Kofi Kingston do that because WWE apparently will FINALLY give him a heel run! I just hope they let Kingston be himself, as HHH wants to move away from 100% scripted promos.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:36 AM   #22
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Could Kofi pull off a heel turn? Maybe when he was Jamaican, now I'm not so sure.
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Kofi Kingston could really pull off an angry African immigrant desperate to be a success really well. He would just stop smiling, and be more focused on winning matches than doing high-risk stunts. When he won the IC Title from The Miz on Main Event, he worked a much stricter "in your face" style that could work as heel offence for the guy.

In a bizarre way, I actually wouldn't mind it if Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler joined forces, in the sense that Randy Orton and Edge joined forces for a while. They have pretty much spent their entire careers as rivals -- their familiarity with one another could breed effective team work. Also, having Big E. Langston as muscle could work for Kingston and add "weight" to his style. Down the track, he and Big E. could betray Dolph, thus turning Dolph face for a series of higher profile matches with his rival.
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Kofi should come out with a spear and shield and call himself "Saba Simba Jr"
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Why do they even bother dragging Alex Riley around the country if they never use him? Does he get Saturday Slam matches I don't know about?
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No. No he doesn't. He's a mid carder.
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Fuck. I hate agreeing with Gertner.

They gave him plenty of chances to "click" when he got his internet fanbase and he never did. The whole Jersey Shore gimmick is DOA now anyway. Evolve or die.
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I like Zack Ryder enough. The guy is decent in the ring (especially when working as a heel), and he's clearly passionate and has done well to get himself over. That being said, there are some points on Ryder that I'd like to address:

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They gave him plenty of chances to "click" when he got his internet fanbase and he never did. The whole Jersey Shore gimmick is DOA now anyway. Evolve or die.
I agree with this. Ryder's gimmick is stupid and we've never been given a proper reason to cheer for it within the canon of WWE television. Is that Ryder's fault? Maybe a little but probably not. It would have been time to get serious against Kane last year, but that never happened. Ryder was forced to act and that was a stupid decision on everyone's behalf.

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Zack Ryder's mic work is horrendous. I haven't "believed" a word he's said on TV. Maybe it's just because of the character and he'd be more capable otherwise, but I'm glad he's not a focal point right now.
This is pretty much true. For a guy that has sold himself with his personality, he is pretty bad on the mic. Hopefully he can work with a guy like Paul Heyman to get better, or altercations to his persona allows for less cheesy delivery. But yeah, Ryder is actually a really bad promo.

Zack Ryder could have been used better, and he still could be. With WrestleMania being in his hometown, the WWE are foolish if they don't use him to get someone over or do something at the show. Have him win the US Title from Cesaro with help from Curt Hawkins and Santino Marella and tease a little face pack getting together or anything. If that fails, then it might be time to reassess where they stand on Ryder's potential as a babyface mid-carder, and then a bitter heel turn can happen.

The WWE should consider it to move some merchandise for a little bit. When you've got the chance to make some money, do so.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:30 AM   #29
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I find myself agreeing to what everyone is saying about Ryder's mic work.

It is pretty bad and it is pretty cheesy at times. There are times where I find myself feeling awkward just listening to him on the mic. Though with that said, I also find myself liking his backstage material. When he's interacting with other wrestlers, he's fine. It's just when he's talking on a mic and to the audience he's pretty bad.

It's like he isn't comfortable with a mic in his hand/face.

As for his gimmick, it's been said before but it's dead now. It's ran it's course. I hate to be "one of those guys" but I actually do think a turn would help Ryder. It won't help him become WWE Champion or anything, but it would refresh him. Drop the "Guido gimmick" and just be a badass. Lose the bright, thick plastic sunglasses, get some stubble and just have the gimmick of your everyday asshole. The kind of guys you see on nights out that are with a hot girl and if they catch you even looking in her direction, they'll want to kill you.

Drop the "Woo Woo Woo" part and just say "You Know It", along with no fist pumping. It's cliché but just forget about the fans, don't even acknowledge their presence at times and just be pissed off during matches. Eye up Divas who are taken and be somewhat of a pig towards them.

Along with all that, he should be somewhat bitter. He should go after people who doubted him, called him a goof in the past and the present (Cole & Striker) and just hate John Cena for what he did to him in the past. Having a short fued with Cena would help his new side get noticed, though he wouldn't necessary need to win the fued.

A turn on Santino or even Scott Stanford would be a good way to get the "New Ryder" started.
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I find myself agreeing to what everyone is saying about Ryder's mic work.

It is pretty bad and it is pretty cheesy at times. There are times where I find myself feeling awkward just listening to him on the mic. Though with that said, I also find myself liking his backstage material. When he's interacting with other wrestlers, he's fine. It's just when he's talking on a mic and to the audience he's pretty bad.

It's like he isn't comfortable with a mic in his hand/face.

As for his gimmick, it's been said before but it's dead now. It's ran it's course. I hate to be "one of those guys" but I actually do think a turn would help Ryder. It won't help him become WWE Champion or anything, but it would refresh him. Drop the "Guido gimmick" and just be a badass. Lose the bright, thick plastic sunglasses, get some stubble and just have the gimmick of your everyday asshole. The kind of guys you see on nights out that are with a hot girl and if they catch you even looking in her direction, they'll want to kill you.

Drop the "Woo Woo Woo" part and just say "You Know It", along with no fist pumping. It's cliché but just forget about the fans, don't even acknowledge their presence at times and just be pissed off during matches. Eye up Divas who are taken and be somewhat of a pig towards them.

Along with all that, he should be somewhat bitter. He should go after people who doubted him, called him a goof in the past and the present (Cole & Striker) and just hate John Cena for what he did to him in the past. Having a short fued with Cena would help his new side get noticed, though he wouldn't necessary need to win the fued.

A turn on Santino or even Scott Stanford would be a good way to get the "New Ryder" started.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:52 AM   #31
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I find myself agreeing to what everyone is saying about Ryder's mic work.

It is pretty bad and it is pretty cheesy at times. There are times where I find myself feeling awkward just listening to him on the mic. Though with that said, I also find myself liking his backstage material. When he's interacting with other wrestlers, he's fine. It's just when he's talking on a mic and to the audience he's pretty bad.

It's like he isn't comfortable with a mic in his hand/face.

As for his gimmick, it's been said before but it's dead now. It's ran it's course. I hate to be "one of those guys" but I actually do think a turn would help Ryder. It won't help him become WWE Champion or anything, but it would refresh him. Drop the "Guido gimmick" and just be a badass. Lose the bright, thick plastic sunglasses, get some stubble and just have the gimmick of your everyday asshole. The kind of guys you see on nights out that are with a hot girl and if they catch you even looking in her direction, they'll want to kill you.

Drop the "Woo Woo Woo" part and just say "You Know It", along with no fist pumping. It's cliché but just forget about the fans, don't even acknowledge their presence at times and just be pissed off during matches. Eye up Divas who are taken and be somewhat of a pig towards them.

Along with all that, he should be somewhat bitter. He should go after people who doubted him, called him a goof in the past and the present (Cole & Striker) and just hate John Cena for what he did to him in the past. Having a short fued with Cena would help his new side get noticed, though he wouldn't necessary need to win the fued.

A turn on Santino or even Scott Stanford would be a good way to get the "New Ryder" started.
Ryder is one of the smallest guys on the roster and as intimidating as Owenbrown in a dating game. This would NEVER work.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:16 PM   #32
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Zack Ryder could have been used better, and he still could be. With WrestleMania being in his hometown, the WWE are foolish if they don't use him to get someone over or do something at the show. Have him win the US Title from Cesaro with help from Curt Hawkins and Santino Marella and tease a little face pack getting together or anything. If that fails, then it might be time to reassess where they stand on Ryder's potential as a babyface mid-carder, and then a bitter heel turn can happen.
If his recent tweets are any indication, he already realized or knew a couple of weeks ago the WWE has absolutely nothing planned for him to do at Mania.

Been joking a lot that his feud or segment for the day will be with catering since he would be figuring out what he wants to eat for the day. Also been telling family and friends who are traveling to the show that he won't be on it.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:16 PM   #33
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Is Ryder totally to blame for "blowing his chance"?

He was over, really over for a period. He won the US Title, was used as a pawn by Kane to get to Cena in a throwaway feud that went nowhere, was used by Eve, lost his title, written out of in-ring competition by a laughable "broken back" angle, miracously returned in a matter of weeks, was made a fool of on the biggest show of the year, never got any kind of vengeance on Kane or Eve and was brushed under the carpet whilst still very popular.

They didn't really give him all that much to work with tbf.

What could he have done differently, given the restraints of the booking?
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:57 PM   #34
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Is Ryder totally to blame for "blowing his chance"?

He was over, really over for a period. He won the US Title, was used as a pawn by Kane to get to Cena in a throwaway feud that went nowhere, was used by Eve, lost his title, written out of in-ring competition by a laughable "broken back" angle, miracously returned in a matter of weeks, was made a fool of on the biggest show of the year, never got any kind of vengeance on Kane or Eve and was brushed under the carpet whilst still very popular.

They didn't really give him all that much to work with tbf.

What could he have done differently, given the restraints of the booking?
Triple H got thrown in pig shit.
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Triple H is also Triple H. He could go through hell and come out smelling like a fucking rose. Ryder's perfectly capable of being a midcard face, but WWE dropped the ball. Dude's got a legit reason to bitch. His fall wasn't his fault, it was bad booking and lack of creativity in the writing team.
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Yeah, Ryder wasn't really at fault there. He was actually really over for a time. If they went another way with the booking, he could have stayed a consistent midcard face.
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Think he took the "fall" or blame for the poor RAW ratings after TLC 2011 although didn't get "The Miz" treatment where if he took the sole blame willingly, he'd be rewarded in the future.

Looking back, it would have been a lot better to keep the Ziggler-Ryder feud going on for a bit longer instead of pairing him up with Cena for the Kane feud since it did nothing for him.
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Zack Ryder's mic work is horrendous. I haven't "believed" a word he's said on TV. Maybe it's just because of the character and he'd be more capable otherwise, but I'm glad he's not a focal point right now.
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