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Old 06-13-2013, 10:11 PM   #41
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Ryback is a much better wrestler than Goldberg ever was.
I dunno, I don't really see much of a difference, to be honest. A few slams, gorilla presses and a few suplexes.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:18 PM   #42
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I was just saying that was a bad comparison even with the "different era" in mind. It's like if I posted that no one gets pops like Santino and then proceeded to use Elimination Chamber 2012 as an example. A little misleading. lol

And the different era thing does come into play though if you're discussing who's better. If you're using "I never saw _____ get the kind of reactions Goldberg got." then realistically you have to say Goldberg is miles better than anyone in the company today.

The guy was booked to be a monster. Ryback has been booked like shit. When he was booked as being possibly unstoppable though, he showed the potential to get pops that were unthinkable for his era.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:30 PM   #43
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My point in saying that I've never seen Ryback get a reaction like Goldberg did wasn't as much to say that Goldberg was inherently better than Ryback, but that Goldberg was more over and as a result, more successful. Granted, this is mostly due to WWE's handling of his character, but my point stands.

and yes, by the "crowd reaction" standard, Goldberg is better than about 90% of American professional wrestlers today, not just WWE.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:32 PM   #44
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I dunno, I don't really see much of a difference, to be honest. A few slams, gorilla presses and a few suplexes.
Ryback does a lot of the little things right that Goldberg never did.
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Ryback is no where near his peak.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:39 AM   #46
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The reactions Ryback got in that CM Punk feud had more to do with the the fans wanting to see Punk get his ass kicked, imo. When it comes to getting under the fans' skin, Punk is on Piper's level.
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When it comes to getting under the fans' skin, Punk is on Piper's level.
Like when he was making a mockery of Paul Bearer and beating The Undertaker with his earn while the crowd chanted his name?
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And let's not pretend just anyone could have come out and taken down Punk and the crowd would have gone nuts like that just because it was Punk.
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Never said that. I just don't think he could have gotten that reaction without Punk's help.
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Well, yeah. Punk was the heel champion at that point and Ryback was the perfect guy for the crowd to ride to the top.

Just like Goldberg's reactions were partially thanks to Hogan and the NWO. More so even.

Like I said, no one else would have been getting that kind of reaction at the time other than Ryback. As soon as he started that Punk feud, he was perceived as the next big thing fans had been waiting for for years and years until WWE dropped the ball.
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there were quite a few CM Punk chants throughout that whole feud with Ryback
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There probably were. Punk always has people cheering him. So?
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so it doesn't make sense to point out the CM Punk chants when he was doing his thing with the Undertaker
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It does within the context of what I was replying to. You can't give Punk so much credit for Ryback's pop because he's so good at making everyone wanna see him get destroyed and then ignore the fact that that NEVER happens in any of his other feuds and in the one where he was a bigger dick that he's ever been, he's even getting cheered by half the crowd.
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Hell, I'm pretty sure half the crowd that night probably cheered Punk when he came to the ring. You can't then try to tell me when those same people erupted at Ryback getting his hands on him it was because they just wanted to see Punk get destroyed because he got under their skin. It doesn't make sense.
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Goldberg was as hot as Austin during his peak. Love Ryback, but Goldberg was the shit.
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Never said that. I just don't think he could have gotten that reaction without Punk's help.


Austin wouldn't have blown up if it weren't for McMahon. Your point makes no sense.


Every top face needs a top heel and every top heel needs a top face.
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And that's in a time where NO ONE ever gets reactions like guys did back in the late 90's.

If Goldberg had to deal with WWE's booking, he would have flopped pretty hard.
The Oddities got bigger reactions than 99% of the wrestlers today.





This is still amazing how over they were.
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I'd probably change the "99%" to "100%" though.
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Still not bigger than Heath Slater and 3MB, hence 99%
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That's more because people think they're gonna get free Wendy's cheeseburgers as a promotion whenever he comes out.
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And that's in a time where NO ONE ever gets reactions like guys did back in the late 90's.

If Goldberg had to deal with WWE's booking, he would have flopped pretty hard.
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You're really gonna compare the reaction for a guy simply arriving and getting his hands on the champion in a random arena in Sacramento to a guy winning the world title in front of three times as many people in a football stadium in his hometown?
this is hardly an earth shattering pop. And Goldberg would get the equivalent of that reaction showing up to wrestle Mike Enos, let alone with the help of a superheel and one of the most perpetually over guys in the history of pro wrestling in a sympathetic babyface role aka a situation where the chips were stacked HEAVILY specifically to get that kind of reaction for him. As for the "WWE booking" stuff, that's pretty much nonsense.
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The guy was booked to be a monster. Ryback has been booked like shit. When he was booked as being possibly unstoppable though, he showed the potential to get pops that were unthinkable for his era.
there's a reason they stopped booking him as being unstoppable
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I like them both, but something about Goldberg has me leaning his way. I think they both have the charisma, the crowd pleasing power moves and of course the look. Maybe it is the crazy fan reactions that have me leaning that way but I stick to it.
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I really want WWE to start referring to Khali, Hornswoggle, and Natalya as the new Oddities, with theme. Hell, throw Tatsu in there and let's have some fun.
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there's a reason they stopped booking him as being unstoppable
Yeah. Because WWE is ridiculously clueless when it comes to booking a character.
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this is hardly an earth shattering pop. And Goldberg would get the equivalent of that reaction showing up to wrestle Mike Enos, let alone with the help of a superheel and one of the most perpetually over guys in the history of pro wrestling in a sympathetic babyface role aka a situation where the chips were stacked HEAVILY specifically to get that kind of reaction for him. As for the "WWE booking" stuff, that's pretty much nonsense.
Are you kidding me??? The place was going nuts! lol What more do you want? The place was shaking for fuck's sake.

I'm not arguing that Goldberg got bigger pops. But the fact that Ryback has shown that he is capable of getting a pop like that in his first brush with the main event... during an era that is like night and day compared to Goldberg's era as far as crowd reactions says something. And the "WWE booking" stuff is never nonsense. They can't push anyone long-term. If you think they haven't booked Ryback like a room full of retarded monkeys with typewriters, you're crazy. There's no reason they wouldn't do the same with Goldberg if he were just starting out.
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Yeah. Because WWE is ridiculously clueless when it comes to booking a character.
Well that's just a really silly thing to say. It definitely had everything to do with the company that's built the majority of the greatest stars in pro wrestling history (as well as any over or entertaining character they currently have under contract) and nothing to do with the guy getting the biggest monster push in some time running entirely out of momentum because as a babyface he's pretty much a one-trick pony and that one trick wasn't enough to propel him all the way to the top of the card/simply doesn't have the tools to be a top babyface atm. If Ryback was going to make some real money long-term at that point in time, they wouldn't have hesitated to run all the way with him.

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Are you kidding me??? The place was going nuts! lol What more do you want? The place was shaking for fuck's sake.

I'm not arguing that Goldberg got bigger pops. But the fact that Ryback has shown that he is capable of getting a pop like that in his first brush with the main event... during an era that is like night and day compared to Goldberg's era as far as crowd reactions says something. And the "WWE booking" stuff is never nonsense. They can't push anyone long-term. If you think they haven't booked Ryback like a room full of retarded monkeys with typewriters, you're crazy. There's no reason they wouldn't do the same with Goldberg if he were just starting out.
maybe it's the sound or the quality of the video etc but it's "decent babyface reaction #3", it's hardly Rock or Brock returning, anything from post-Mania RAW and so forth. And the difference in the last paragraph says it all. Outside of the Sting angle, WCW couldn't book long term for shit. This is the same company that freely admitted to live Nitro's still being written or segments with no actual plan being scheduled as the show went on air. Goldberg would have gotten over at any time in any company in any era because he's a "one-in-a-million" type of guy, he has "it", that thing you can't quite put your finger on that makes wrestling fans go fucking apeshit, the thing that separates a Steve Austin from a Chris Jericho. WWE had to pound Ryback into people's heads to gain a modicum of the same reaction. Outside of the bald heads and the streak/monster gimmicks, the two are night and day.
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not to mention once again that that "first brush" with the main event was set up entirely for him to gain that reaction

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any guy with a great look, that push and half a clue would have gotten the exact same reaction
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Well that's just a really silly thing to say. It definitely had everything to do with the company that's built the majority of the greatest stars in pro wrestling history (as well as any over or entertaining character they currently have under contract) and nothing to do with the guy getting the biggest monster push in some time running entirely out of momentum because as a babyface he's pretty much a one-trick pony and that one trick wasn't enough to propel him all the way to the top of the card/simply doesn't have the tools to be a top babyface atm. If Ryback was going to make some real money long-term at that point in time, they wouldn't have hesitated to run all the way with him.
Are you really comparing the WWE's current booking ability to the same booking that created Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin? Same guys with the same ability? Come on. Apparently I should have clarified that WWE CURRENTLY has no clue how to make stars.

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maybe it's the sound or the quality of the video etc but it's "decent babyface reaction #3", it's hardly Rock or Brock returning, anything from post-Mania RAW and so forth. And the difference in the last paragraph says it all. Outside of the Sting angle, WCW couldn't book long term for shit. This is the same company that freely admitted to live Nitro's still being written or segments with no actual plan being scheduled as the show went on air. Goldberg would have gotten over at any time in any company in any era because he's a "one-in-a-million" type of guy, he has "it", that thing you can't quite put your finger on that makes wrestling fans go fucking apeshit, the thing that separates a Steve Austin from a Chris Jericho. WWE had to pound Ryback into people's heads to gain a modicum of the same reaction. Outside of the bald heads and the streak/monster gimmicks, the two are night and day.
I don't know. The video seems fine on my end. And I think everyone else at least acknowledges that it was a pretty monster pop as opposed to a "decent babyface reaction". Some just credit Punk instead. Again, it's not Punk in Chicago the night of MITB 2012 or Goldberg in the Georgia Dome when he won the world title. It's Ryback in fucking Sacramento clotheslining a guy who gets clotheslined often. lol And the pop was insane.
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And as for the last part... well that's just your perception. Goldberg got over so it's easy to see him as a guy who would have gotten over regardless. The fact of the matter is, wrestling was white hot with Austin and the NWO at their peaks when he got over. He went on a ridiculous unstoppable winning streak straight to dethroning quite possibly the biggest heel in wrestling history.

Ryback was getting hot... and 9 months later he's still still looking for his first major win and they're still trying to book him as unstoppable like a bunch of retards.

They could not have been booked more differently.

When it comes to actual talent though, Ryback wins in every category.
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Are you really comparing the WWE's current booking ability to the same booking that created Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin? Same guys with the same ability? Come on. Apparently I should have clarified that WWE CURRENTLY has no clue how to make stars.
No. This is why I added the "as well as any over or entertaining character they currently have under contract" part.

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I don't know. The video seems fine on my end. And I think everyone else at least acknowledges that it was a pretty monster pop as opposed to a "decent babyface reaction". Some just credit Punk instead. Again, it's not Punk in Chicago the night of MITB 2012 or Goldberg in the Georgia Dome when he won the world title. It's Ryback in fucking Sacramento clotheslining a guy who gets clotheslined often. lol And the pop was insane.
But as I said, in that situation, any guy with a good look, the push he was receiving and half a clue would have gotten the exact same reaction, if not bigger.
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And as for the last part... well that's just your perception. Goldberg got over so it's easy to see him as a guy who would have gotten over regardless. The fact of the matter is, wrestling was white hot with Austin and the NWO at their peaks when he got over. He went on a ridiculous unstoppable winning streak straight to dethroning quite possibly the biggest heel in wrestling history.

Ryback was getting hot... and 9 months later he's still still looking for his first major win and they're still trying to book him as unstoppable like a bunch of retards.

They could not have been booked more differently.

When it comes to actual talent though, Ryback wins in every category.
I think there's a difference between perception and being able to tell a guy that is clearly a ready-born star, you can see it from pretty much his very first match on Nitro.

Ryback got hot for a while. Then showed nothing else at the point where it was critical for him to show that he's a "star" and started to fizzle out. He simply wasn't up to the push/spot presented to him. Much better suited to his current role, give him an emotional side, a bit of depth, add things via pre-taped vignettes and so on, hide his weaknesses.

And that very much depends on your definition of "talent" in the wrestling world. Ryback is probably the better "worker" via the fact he had about an 8 year head start on Goldberg. This also means he maybe cuts a better promo as well. Everything else, nah.
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No. This is why I added the "as well as any over or entertaining character they currently have under contract" part.
You're gonna have to name some names here. I mean... some guys get themselves over. Most guys do need some help from booking. Hell, I would say I'm the biggest Johnny Curtis fan there is and the awful booking has somehow made Fandango bland already.

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But as I said, in that situation, any guy with a good look, the push he was receiving and half a clue would have gotten the exact same reaction, if not bigger.
Well, then again you're still just hearing a "decent babyface reaction"...
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I think The Wyatt Family will be a good example of how WWE's current booking can fuck something up no matter how destined for greatness it is. Just... Just wait...
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