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Old 06-22-2013, 04:14 AM   #1
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Of course Greg Helms is right. I've been saying it for years now.
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Old 06-22-2013, 10:18 AM   #2
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When did Terry Funk come out of retirement again? Also, now I want to see Terry Funk VS. Mark Henry.
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Old 06-22-2013, 10:38 AM   #3
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as for the original question, there is no definitive answer. For every Mark Henry taking 15 years to "find his groove", there's a John Cena or a Randy Orton or a Dolph Ziggler and so on. It's pretty much subjective. It didn't matter how long Randy Orton was in development, he was always going to be a star. It didn't matter how long Rob Conway was in development, because without a gigantic serving of luck and having gold dropped into his lap, he was never going to be a star. As for the Helms comment "big leagues used to be the end game", it's an altogether entirely different industry now, there are what, one and a half places in the western world to make consistent comfortable money. If somebody gets the chance to take one of those spots, they'd be a fucking idiot not to.
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Old 06-22-2013, 10:38 AM   #4
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Foley never used drugs or alcohol. Sure hes fat, but his bumps arent going to kill him, and hes still pretty young to be worried about obesity killing him. Hes not THAT bad. Hes not going to die soon.
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Old 06-22-2013, 10:39 AM   #5
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It's weird. Henry bored the fuck out of me during his heel run from like 2006-09. Just seemed to be a generic monster heel without much substance to him. Then he turned face on Raw, beating Orton (then champion) and looked like he was gonna be the next big thing.

He wasn't. But his face run made me realize just how likable the dude was. And it made me appreciate his next heel turn all the more. I've loved him ever since.
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Old 06-22-2013, 12:38 PM   #6
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I think you're going a little deep on this.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:56 PM   #7
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Mick Foley seems to be doing just fine, keeps busy and seems to enjoy what he's doing. Settle down.

Also his daughter is quite attractive. I follow her on twitter.
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You want to cane her, don't you?

Also isn't she like 14?
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:03 PM   #9
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19 or 20

I've looked it up
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:06 PM   #10
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Way too old for you then. Damn pedophile!

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The only people that is the answer for are terminally ill people with weeks to live.

I presented it as speculation for a reason, after all.

Again he's not even 50 yet, are you going to completely let yourself go when you have potentially 30-40+ years left in the tank. I don't plan on ever completely giving up on life...until you know...I die.
"DTTS presents facts!" Sorry but that's complete nonsense.

I see. Do you speculate that everybody that has accomplished everything they ever wanted then let themselves go a bit has an "addictive personality"? Especially say an endomorph like Foley who probably had to fight just to maintain the "shape" he was in for the bulk of his active career?

And you're talking like the guy is Bastion Booger up in a bitch. And this notion that he's "given up on life" is the daftest part of your entire argument here.
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:25 PM   #13
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"DTTS presents facts!" Sorry but that's complete nonsense.

I see. Do you speculate that everybody that has accomplished everything they ever wanted then let themselves go a bit has an "addictive personality"? Especially say an endomorph like Foley who probably had to fight just to maintain the "shape" he was in for the bulk of his active career?

And you're talking like the guy is Bastion Booger up in a bitch. And this notion that he's "given up on life" is the daftest part of your entire argument here.
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It's not complete nonsense, I assume.

I do see people who let themselves go, regardless of accomplishments as dumb except for some reasonable exceptions. That said, your bit about Foley "fighting" to stay in the shape he was is silly and based on the idea that he was genetically going to turn into what he became rather than based on his own admittedly horrible diet.

My original argument was simply that the guy is in horrible shape to the point of being physically unhealthy. I'm not pretending that he's fallen into some Jake "The Snake" style hole in which he'll always be remembered for. He has lived a pretty hard life suffering multiple concussions, broken bones and whatnot and there is no fucking way that his doctors support his current lifestyle of over-eating with what looks like no exercise whatsoever. I do know that he has been advised by his doctors not to ever wrestle again, so it's really not unthinkable in the least that he might be headed for the dirt.

Every time I see him he looks a little worse, sounds a little worse. I would speculate that he's a good candidate for heart failure within the next 5-6 years.

He's not much younger than my own father who passed away relatively young after living a fairly unhealthy life and over-eating. He too accomplished many of his dreams before he gave up and eventually died and he didn't look nearly as bad as Foley when he had the heart attack that took his life.

Just from reading his books I can confirm that his #1 way of dealing with pain, injuries and stress was loading up on ice cream with his buddy Abdullah. With his complaints about his shoddy knees, his talk about the use of pain-killers I think it's personally reasonable to suggest he may have a problem with addiction, whether or not he is strung out on heroin, crack and meth like 40% of former pro-wrestlers.

It sucks, but it's what I think and it's more valid a position then, "He can totally do whatever he wants now because he's rich!"

Rich people die too, bro.
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It sucks, but it's what I think and it's more valid a position then, "He can totally do whatever he wants now because he's rich!"

Rich people die too, bro.
No shit, everybody fucking dies eventually. Whether it's their last 5, 10, 20 or 40 years, the fact that you think you're some kind of moral authority on how anyone, let alone a complete stranger to you like Foley, should live the remainder of their lives is ridiculous. Not too mention the fact that people in great shape who do nothing but take care of themselves drop dead daily and folks who treat their bodies horribly have gone on to live to be 100.

having grown up watching him, I can understand being concerned for Foley and wanting him to have a long healthy life, but the fact that you think you're some kind of expert on how he should live or behave is pathetic. It has nothing to do with how much money he has or whether he's accomplished his goals. He's a free human fucking being with free will and as long as he doesn't harm anyone else, he can do whatever he wants and live the way that makes him happy.
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No shit, everybody fucking dies eventually. Whether it's their last 5, 10, 20 or 40 years, the fact that you think you're some kind of moral authority on how anyone, let alone a complete stranger to you like Foley, should live the remainder of their lives is ridiculous. Not too mention the fact that people in great shape who do nothing but take care of themselves drop dead daily and folks who treat their bodies horribly have gone on to live to be 100.

having grown up watching him, I can understand being concerned for Foley and wanting him to have a long healthy life, but the fact that you think you're some kind of expert on how he should live or behave is pathetic. It has nothing to do with how much money he has or whether he's accomplished his goals. He's a free human fucking being with free will and as long as he doesn't harm anyone else, he can do whatever he wants and live the way that makes him happy.
Millionaire entrepreneur and philanthropist right here.
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"DTTS presents facts!" Sorry but that's complete nonsense.

I see. Do you speculate that everybody that has accomplished everything they ever wanted then let themselves go a bit has an "addictive personality"? Especially say an endomorph like Foley who probably had to fight just to maintain the "shape" he was in for the bulk of his active career?

And you're talking like the guy is Bastion Booger up in a bitch. And this notion that he's "given up on life" is the daftest part of your entire argument here.
lol, CSL was dumb here.
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lol, CSL was dumb here.
Not really.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:07 AM   #19
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He's just mad that Jolly Ol Saint Mick has been downing the Swiss Rolls, and he isn't one of them.
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No shit, everybody fucking dies eventually. Whether it's their last 5, 10, 20 or 40 years, the fact that you think you're some kind of moral authority on how anyone, let alone a complete stranger to you like Foley, should live the remainder of their lives is ridiculous. Not too mention the fact that people in great shape who do nothing but take care of themselves drop dead daily and folks who treat their bodies horribly have gone on to live to be 100.

having grown up watching him, I can understand being concerned for Foley and wanting him to have a long healthy life, but the fact that you think you're some kind of expert on how he should live or behave is pathetic. It has nothing to do with how much money he has or whether he's accomplished his goals. He's a free human fucking being with free will and as long as he doesn't harm anyone else, he can do whatever he wants and live the way that makes him happy.
lol, is that your response to what I said?

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What the fuck is DTTS on?
That real shit.

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He's just mad that Jolly Ol Saint Mick has been downing the Swiss Rolls, and he isn't one of them.
I cannot argue with this. This is a good counter-point. Take note BigCripz.
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You people are talking about Undertaker vs. Mark Henry II at WrestleMania... some of the same people that bitch about how new talent doesn't get a chance to shine, especially at WrestleMania, are talking about wanting to see Undertaker vs. Mark Henry at WrestleMania... for the second time. Come on...
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:07 AM   #23
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I wanna see Henry and Big Show form the Natural Disasters 2. Henry could be mudslide and Big Show could be, I dunno, Blizzard.
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Im starting to hope DTTS dies soon. hes become so horrible.
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Im starting to hope DTTS dies soon. hes become so horrible.
Starting? I must not be working hard enough.

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I often think about how general opinion on Henry has seemingly gone from an almost universal "he's terrible" and his name being brought up as a waste of money every time releases were mentioning, to being pretty much universally beloved. Henry is classified as "good" these days, which is good for him.
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I often think about how general opinion on Henry has seemingly gone from an almost universal "he's terrible" and his name being brought up as a waste of money every time releases were mentioning, to being pretty much universally beloved. Henry is classified as "good" these days, which is good for him.
Persistance pays. He didn't give up or jump ship... all the cheezy, uplifting shit Cena has been putting on his shirts for the last 5 years, Henry has lived through it during his entire WWE tenure.

And it helps that he is apparently a pretty nice guy. Never heard any stories about him being any kind of asshole IRL. I remember some radio interview I caught about Randy Orton where he was talking about being stiffed by Mark in that posted match (I think it was that one, not sure) with him on accident... to the effect of (paraphrased) "Bless him, he's a big guy who doesn't really know his strength; if you know him, you know he's not really trying to hurt you". Hell, he was one of the few guys I actually *believed* during RAW is OWEN; he wasn't trying to be "in character" and pretty much showed he was truly a gentle giant.

Also, I would say a sizable element of luck played into him lasting long enough to mature into some greatness. Much like I said Triple H was a pretty mediocre guy who excelled at making the most of all the cards falling his way, much the same could be said about Henry... sort of. He wasn't anything particularly special outside of the WWF's desire to use him as a cross-promotional heavy... Vince's big man fettish? Check. Big BLACK man? Check. POWERLIFTER?! That's perfect from back in the ICO:PRO days, so check there too.

It already wasn't going to matter if he sucked ass, he "looked the shit". And all those detrimental injuries really prolonged his career in a way. He was never overexposed to where people got sick of him, and could always come in just about anywhere and be viewed as a credible threat. And then, there's Kurt Angle. What does Kurt have to do with Mark? Well, he kind of took that Olympian ball and ran with it... that same banner they initally wanted Mark to wave around. They couldn't really view Henry as a failure in that reguard there since they came into somebody who was just better with it. He never had the juiced-up, roided out physique of someone like a Chris Masters, so when he looked to be less in shape, there wasn't any "the illusion's gone" moment with him.

And even with that, he didn't just sit on his big ass and go "pfft, they ain't gon' fire me!" He actually tried to get better. He worked on cutting promos. He got better in the ring, even AFTER getting his mobility hampered by repeated knee trauma and having to move all that around all these years. He's got the "big man" ring psychology down. The big ass man can also take some big ass bumps.

Again, Cena's shirt says it all: HUSTLE, LOYALTY, RESPECT. Mark Henry has done all that. Hustled his ass off (figuratively), been a loyal WWE man, and has earned any respect he's due.
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I loved when he was wrecking shit. Tearing doors off cages and slamming Big Show through the same cage and stuff. Total badass. Even still, I don't generally need his actual matches to go any longer than 14 seconds or so.
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I hate how they bill that the WWE title is the only title he hasn't won yet.
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It's true, though.
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It's true, though.
Yes I forgot about his long intercontinental reign and his multiple tag team runs.

I wonder if Chavo comes back and wins the WHC will JBL say the only title he hasn't won was the WWE title
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:36 PM   #32
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I think they meant world titles.
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I think they meant world titles.
He was World Heavyweight Champion.
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Now that I think of it, the only match that he was in that sticks out in my memory as 'good' was when he won the WHC from Randy Orton.
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Now that I think of it, the only match that he was in that sticks out in my memory as 'good' was when he won the WHC from Randy Orton.
The Hell in a Cell rematch was pretty good, too.
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Yeah, that one. Weird.
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I think they mean it's the only title WORTH winning that he hasn't won. He's never been the Divas champion ever, but I'm willing to let that ride.
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I think they mean it's the only title WORTH winning that he hasn't won. He's never been the Divas champion ever, but I'm willing to let that ride.
That's what's depressing about it.
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I think they mean it's the only title WORTH winning that he hasn't won. He's never been the Divas champion ever, but I'm willing to let that ride.
It's a sad day for wrestling when we don't see the Intercontinental, U.S. or Tag Team Titles as "titles worth winning".
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