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Old 07-07-2013, 03:42 AM   #41
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Yeah, damn people for discussing points which are actually quantifiable in a genre where everyone discusses behind the scenes elements. Hang 'em.



Which nost know nothing about.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:50 AM   #42
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How fortunate that this is one point readily available and hardly a secret.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:45 AM   #43
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Yeah, damn people for discussing points which are actually quantifiable in a genre where everyone discusses behind the scenes elements. Hang 'em.
I never said anything about the people who care about ratings. My sentiments were my own on ratings. Nice try, though.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:48 AM   #44
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I never said anything about the people who care about ratings. My sentiments were my own on ratings. Nice try, though.
Nice try at what? I think you're inferring more than I'm stating.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:07 AM   #45
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A few more random matches that don't mean anything other than just wrestling. They haven't had those since WCW Nitro started.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:08 AM   #46
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Nitro made it work, if they followed that approach I'd enjoy it a lot more but all the recaps are dire.
No they didn't.

WCW started downhill fast when they went to "three solid hours." It was one of the reasons why Raw won the ratings war.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:12 AM   #47
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I remember most 3 hour Nitros being fairly good, solid undercard/midcard storylines, hit or miss main event.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:48 PM   #48
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It was unsustainable. It burned them all of them out and WWF won because of it. Besides the announcers never even talked about the matches going on anyways, so they didn't really have solid storylines except talking about the NWO all night long.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:54 PM   #49
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DDP/Raven/Benoit feud was during the three hour Nitros wasn't it?
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:56 PM   #50
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Just because the announcers didn't always focus solely on the match in front of them instead of shilling the main event doesn't mean there weren't storylines.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:10 PM   #51
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Nitro went 3 hours from January 26, 1998–December 27, 1999 (according to Wikipedia). It wasn't the 3 hours that hurt them. It was horrible fucking shows.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:10 PM   #52
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Going back to 2 hours in 2000 didn't help them either.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:15 PM   #53
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Good tv = good tv, regardless of time.

For the WWE, it's good in the sense that they're gaining additional revenue for the 3rd hour.


For the writing team and fans, it's close to burn out when you factor in Smackdown, and Main Event and Superstars to a lesser degree. It is tough with 5 hours of weekly tv to not overexpose characters, many whom aren't compelling to begin with. They really should be calling up more people to fill the quota they need.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:08 PM   #54
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I don't think many watch Main Event or Superstars. The top stars are gonna be on Raw/Smackdown regardless of time, but it has given more T.V time to mid card guys who I enjoy: Slater, PTP, etc..
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the problem with 3 hour Nitro's was it was the same thing every friggen week. They used to do spot 3hour Nitro's and it was treated like a big deal.

Every 3 hour Nitro:
Luchadors fighting each other ever week
Top card guys fighting JTTS
Techinal match featuring the same guys
Main event featuring an NWO run in

Now on its own it's solid action, but if it's the same thing week fter week, it gets tiresome. Nobody fought anybody different. Rey vs Juvy is awesome, but not week after week.
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Old 07-07-2013, 05:46 PM   #56
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I don't think many watch Main Event or Superstars. The top stars are gonna be on Raw/Smackdown regardless of time, but it has given more T.V time to mid card guys who I enjoy: Slater, PTP, etc..
Have Slater/PTP (or any other Midcard act) gained any traction from the extra time? They're featured on and off from week to week and neither have had anything substantial to do as of late.

They have enough time and more than enough characters, they just seem to lack enough ideas to fill three hours.
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That would be cool.
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The core cast hasn't really expanded that much, some guys have been getting more time but there's only ever a handful of characters that are doing something and everyone else is still filler. Overall it's a meh, which I guess falls more into bad than good.
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They are giving matches more time, and as a result we've gotten a lot more awesome matches on a weekly basis. It has given more people opportunities to get on TV and storylines more time to get told. I enjoy RAW every week. There is always something I really like every week.
This. Everyone stopped complaining about 5 minute tv matches when they went to 3 hours. Yah, they have some time to fill with garbage like segments with Hornswaggle, Cole and King showing you how to download the WWE app or drinking Sonic , and endless recaps - that sucks. Overall its been fine though. Much better than I thought it would go at the onset.
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I enjoy it. I do not watch the entire show but I did not do that when it was 2 hours long. The extra hour gives me more chances to flip back to RAW and see what is going on. Sure there are recaps popping up but those do not bother me.
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Have Slater/PTP (or any other Midcard act) gained any traction from the extra time? They're featured on and off from week to week and neither have had anything substantial to do as of late.

They have enough time and more than enough characters, they just seem to lack enough ideas to fill three hours.
Slater is the hottest thing in wrestling
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Old 07-07-2013, 06:44 PM   #62
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Well, obviously. But that's nothing to do with Raw being expanded to three hours. That's just Slater being God.
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To anybody who Put "bad move" do you think they would have had a 20+ minute match with Daniel Bryan, Orton and Kane Vs. the Shield if they didn't have 3 hours to spend? Hell no. Wrestling for wrestling's sake on a wrestling show is a good thing. If they start having longer matches on Raw they can gain more stamina and endurance to have longer matches on PPVs.

WCW's three hours were bad because like Gertner said they showed the same old shit every week. Even a great cruiserweight match can get old fast. How many of us remember "YOU CAN'T POWER BOMB KIDMAN!?" They did the same match every week.
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Just remember, when RAW was only 3 hours on "special nights" we got stuff like this:
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I love the longer matches (for the most part), I just feel they should be getting more people over with the time they have available. For example, we should have a robust tag team division with depth, a good 6-7 teams all competing/working their way up to the titles. The extra time should allow them to build more than one "flavour of the month" challenger(s).
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The problems with tag teams aren't just the time needed to establish them. There aren't many people who want to share the stage with a partner. Also it only seems they form teams just to break them up for one of them to be the big star. It's a 50/50 shot of being the big star like Shawn Michaels and the Miz or falling into obscurity like Marty Jannetty and John Morrison.

I don't ever remember a time they had 6-7 teams who legitimately had a shot at winning the title even in the 1990s, 2000s or ever.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:56 PM   #67
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They have enough tag teams. Tag Team wrestling has never been and never will be a major focus for WWE. Plus, the business is different and you don't have as many real tag teams who have been partners for awhile coming up through the system. We've seen repeatedly that you just can't throw 2 guys together and they instantly are a great tag team.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:58 PM   #68
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I'd argue that plenty of people are over. When is the last time WWE has pushed as many younger/newer guys as they are now?
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:01 PM   #69
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Yeah I don't see how anybody can honestly say it's a bad move.
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Old 07-07-2013, 08:02 PM   #70
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Can't really recall this many younger/newer guys that weren't in a large group like the Spirit Squad Or the Nexus.
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They need to showcase as many wrestlers as they can. Smackdown needs to serve to cater to the younger talent.
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Thankfully we have a 3 hour show so the Shield will still be relevant while this new Wyatt Family thing takes off. Instead of having them class early they can keep their distance due to having extra time in the show.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:46 AM   #73
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Good tv = good tv, regardless of time.

For the WWE, it's good in the sense that they're gaining additional revenue for the 3rd hour.


For the writing team and fans, it's close to burn out when you factor in Smackdown, and Main Event and Superstars to a lesser degree. It is tough with 5 hours of weekly tv to not overexpose characters, many whom aren't compelling to begin with. They really should be calling up more people to fill the quota they need.

Kind of funny, I remember a time where I would have loved more wrestling, and this much would have seemed like a dream come true.

Careful what you wish for, I guess.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:11 PM   #74
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I think it's that plus the pairings. They kept going back to the same matches over and over again. The minute I saw Wade Barrett vs. Orton or Dolph vs. Kofi, I'd change the channel.
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I've been a fan of it. Good for Orton
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So yeah overall I vote good move
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Sans the more advertising i'd say it's better there has been less squash matches and they have been able to showcase more of their roster.
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I put in "bad move", but it depends really. It's a bad move because they have done away with the brand split, so a lot of the time, you see the same wrestlers on Smackdown as you would see on Raw. It becomes overexposure.

If they used different storylines on Smackdown with different performers, I wouldn't be against it. For example, according to the spoilers, Smackdown this week is just going to be the same guys who fought on Raw (from Money in the Bank) but in different combinations.

I don't think they need to keep the rosters completely seperated. Just focus on different storylines depending on the shows to give a little something to everyone. Get more wrestlers the exposure they need to show what they can do.
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Smackdown could definitely use something to set it apart, but I still like Raw at three hours. There's seemingly at least one great match every week.
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I put in "bad move", but it depends really. It's a bad move because they have done away with the brand split, so a lot of the time, you see the same wrestlers on Smackdown as you would see on Raw. It becomes overexposure.

If they used different storylines on Smackdown with different performers, I wouldn't be against it. For example, according to the spoilers, Smackdown this week is just going to be the same guys who fought on Raw (from Money in the Bank) but in different combinations.

I don't think they need to keep the rosters completely seperated. Just focus on different storylines depending on the shows to give a little something to everyone. Get more wrestlers the exposure they need to show what they can do.
So you didn't like SmackDown! from 1999 to early 2002?
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