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Old 07-18-2013, 09:32 PM   #41
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i guarantee cena tapping to daniel bryan would have no appreciable affect on his character, but would be HUGE for bryan's. cena has been built (in theory, of course) as the superman for occasions such as this: building new stars that can fill out the card around him. and to most of these kids, a loss is a loss. do they really put much stock in the difference between a tap and a pin? especially against a man billed as a submission specialist?
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:45 PM   #42
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Has hogan ever tapped out?
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:48 PM   #43
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who gives a fuck what hogan did? it's a different business now. but i'm sure he has at one point. maybe not since hulkamania kicked off, though.
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Has hogan ever tapped out?
A bunch of times although just twice since WCW folded.

Once in TNA (Sting), once in the WWE (Angle), and like 9 times in WCW (mainly Sting).
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:56 PM   #45
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oh shit hogan tapping like crazy!
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i guarantee cena tapping to daniel bryan would have no appreciable affect on his character, but would be HUGE for bryan's. cena has been built (in theory, of course) as the superman for occasions such as this: building new stars that can fill out the card around him. and to most of these kids, a loss is a loss. do they really put much stock in the difference between a tap and a pin? especially against a man billed as a submission specialist?
Depends since if Cena just shrugs it off like he does with most losses, it won't be anywhere as effective as a huge moment.

Bryan making Cena tap would be huge not only for himself but for his YES/NO/LeBell lock and could end up reaching a similar huge status Benoit's crippler crossface got from Mania 20 or Lesnar's Kumura lock for recent times.
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How exactly would Cena tapping be bad for his character?
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Thought I quoted that #1-wwf-fan post.

Oh well, he knows it's for him.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:22 PM   #49
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Could always just have Cena "pass out". Makes both guys still look super tough.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:25 PM   #50
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How exactly would Cena tapping be bad for his character?
Because like I said, he's this generation's Hogan. He's a hero to kids. As much as we want our way, the kids are little more impressionable and important. Their "Never give up" hero should not be a quitter. Anyone over 12 is fine with it because we're all looking at it from our standpoint and just neglecting to think about WWE's main demographic.
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Could always just have Cena "pass out". Makes both guys still look super tough.
Lock Jaw is a smart man. Everybody wins and it would also add some controversy to the situation.

These are the kinds of ideas that happen when you're not just intensely out for blood against Cena because you personally don't care about his character is portrayed.
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Could always just have Cena "pass out". Makes both guys still look super tough.
I'd rather have him tap
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Cena can tap in the inevitable rematch. Build up for a month that Cena is "injured" from the previous event. His shoulder/arm is bad, and only gets worse during regular RAW action. OVERCOMING his doctor's orders, he competes in a Submissions Match at the next PPV. D-Bry makes Cena tap, but the commentators play it like "Cena had to! His shoulder! It could have been a career-ending injury if he didn't tap!"
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Because like I said, he's this generation's Hogan. He's a hero to kids. As much as we want our way, the kids are little more impressionable and important. Their "Never give up" hero should not be a quitter. Anyone over 12 is fine with it because we're all looking at it from our standpoint and just neglecting to think about WWE's main demographic.
I realize I'm not the target demographic, but when I was a kid getting pinned or tapping out meant the same. Hell, it was expected if the guy who won was a submission guy.

His fans won't care much how Cena loses, the reaction will be the same because as rtd said: a loss is a loss.
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These are the kinds of ideas that happen when you're not just intensely out for blood against Cena because you personally don't care about his character is portrayed.
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I realize I'm not the target demographic, but when I was a kid getting pinned or tapping out meant the same.
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Cena can tap in the inevitable rematch. Build up for a month that Cena is "injured" from the previous event. His shoulder/arm is bad, and only gets worse during regular RAW action. OVERCOMING his doctor's orders, he competes in a Submissions Match at the next PPV. D-Bry makes Cena tap, but the commentators play it like "Cena had to! His shoulder! It could have been a career-ending injury if he didn't tap!"
Would rather Cena not be injured or anything else that makes the match fall into another "Can Cena overcome the odds" type. Him taping while injured creates more of an excuse than an actual big moment.

You'd also risk shifting the focus away from Bryan to it being all about Cena like almost every other feud Cena's been a part of.
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A loss is a loss. The reaction will not change whether Cena gets pinned or taps because the outcome (in his fans'eyes) will be the same: Cena lost. You're giving kids too much credit.

They wouldn't read into how he lost, it would just be that he lost.
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A loss is a loss. The reaction will not change whether Cena gets pinned or taps because the outcome (in his fans'eyes) will be the same: Cena lost. You're giving kids too much credit.

They wouldn't read into how he lost, it would just be that he lost.
I don't think so. When I was 7, Hogan being pinned by The Undertaker sucked. Hogan quitting the match like a bitch would have been way, WAY more awful and definitely would have fucked up his superhero-like character royally.
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The should let Bryan win the belt on one of their international tours. Australia would be a good choice or the UK.
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Bryan winning the title on the 2013 Global Warning tour only to lose it back on the following episode of Superstars would work.
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Because like I said, he's this generation's Hogan. He's a hero to kids. As much as we want our way, the kids are little more impressionable and important. Their "Never give up" hero should not be a quitter. Anyone over 12 is fine with it because we're all looking at it from our standpoint and just neglecting to think about WWE's main demographic.
That' retarded. If anything, the kids need to be taught that there is a time to give up, after a hard fought battle, and come back stronger another day. Children need to be taught that losing is okay if anything. Not that odds will alway be overcome.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:05 AM   #65
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I don't think so. When I was 7, Hogan being pinned by The Undertaker sucked. Hogan quitting the match like a bitch would have been way, WAY more awful and definitely would have fucked up his superhero-like character royally.
7 year old you read into things quite a bit.

He'd be tapping to a submission guy, so even if kids read into the loss the way you are it would make sense. Bryan is known for making people tap, so it wouldn't do shit to Cena's character.

Just like Hogan tapping to someone like Bret would have been acceptable/expected.
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Can you imagine that? Really? Just picture Hulk Hogan tapping out to Bret Hart in 1992.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:09 AM   #67
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If he was going to lose to him, yes.

Tapping out to guy who never pins anyone. What a shock!
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I'm trying to think of a good example for Austin or Rock or other faces of the company but I can't think of any submission wrestlers during that time off the top of my head. Still, it would have been weird and made them look like a total quitter/bitch. You just don't do that to the face of your company. Especially when it's completely unnecessary and you can accomplish what you're going for without it.
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It really isn't an issue when the guy going over only wins by submission, though. It's expected he's going to win that way.
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I'm trying to think of a good example for Austin or Rock or other faces of the company but I can't think of any submission wrestlers during that time off the top of my head. Still, it would have been weird and made them look like a total quitter/bitch. You just don't do that to the face of your company. Especially when it's completely unnecessary and you can accomplish what you're going for without it.
Shamrock was pretty close
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Why didn't they let Shamrock have the Shake, Rattle and Roll for a finisher? He could have called it either the Shamrock Shake OR, which I like better, the modified neck breaker #3
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I'm trying to think of a good example for Austin or Rock or other faces of the company but I can't think of any submission wrestlers during that time off the top of my head. Still, it would have been weird and made them look like a total quitter/bitch. You just don't do that to the face of your company. Especially when it's completely unnecessary and you can accomplish what you're going for without it.
Making Cena tap sets apart Bryan's win from every other loss he has had in the last 9 years.

Having Cena come out on Raw and essentially give DB his stamp of approval would basically say to the kids "It's OK to cheer for this guy". Cena talks about how he might have tapped but he still "Never gives up", how the motto means that even if you fail you have to try again and that he'll face DB in a rematch and this time he'll win - maybe even make Bryan tap out.

Bryan gets a win unlike any other in the last 9 years and he gets Cena's stamp of approval (which would nicely counter Vince's chagrin).

Cena still has his demographic, can still keep his motto and realistically won't suffer any setback.

Win-Win.

Yeah, I'd like DB to win - but that's no longer from a "smark's favourite" viewpoint, he is legit the hottest thing in the wrestling world - and I don't dislike Cena with the passion of some here but I don't buy into what #1fan is saying.
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All you have to do is have Cena shake his hand, like everyone else has been doing after they lose to Bryan. Cena is teflon at this point, a loss won't hurt him.
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I don't think so. When I was 7, Hogan being pinned by The Undertaker sucked. Hogan quitting the match like a bitch would have been way, WAY more awful and definitely would have fucked up his superhero-like character royally.
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Much as it pains me to think of Cena still having the fucking title after SSlam, I don’t think it would do much good to give a title to Bryan at this point. Let him have a good chase for it and then by maybe Oct./Nov. give it to him.
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Much as it pains me to think of Cena still having the fucking title after SSlam, I don’t think it would do much good to give a title to Bryan for which he’s currently holding a championship contract briefcase for a shot at any time in the next year.
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