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Old 07-31-2013, 10:08 PM   #41
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That would rule almost as much as a reverse lumberjack match.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:06 PM   #42
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I too miss tournaments, especially King of the Ring. They definitely have enough talented guys on the roster who are floundering and have nothing better to do that could be in the tourney and put on some good matches.

Am I crazy or did KOTR winners for a few years or a few times in the 90's, also earn a title shot at Summerslam or the next PPV?
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:12 AM   #43
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Lesnar did. I feel like that may have been the only time though.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:15 AM   #44
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At least as a prize. Other guys have won the KOTR and then gone on to challenge for the title at SummerSlam but I think it was coincidental.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:41 AM   #45
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Card used to be full of them, now there's usually just one.
And that's a shame. That was pretty much the whole damned PPV. Almost as much fun as when they used to announce 5 Royal Rumble entrants at a time per week. I still kind of wish they would do that... only leave like 10 people unanounced for one-offs and surprise returns.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:12 AM   #46
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At least as a prize. Other guys have won the KOTR and then gone on to challenge for the title at SummerSlam but I think it was coincidental.
Ah, I remembered it happening but wasn't sure if it was something they actually pushed as another award at one point or not. I feel like it would be a cool way to help build up title feuds/matches for Summerslam like the Rumble does (or used to) for Mania. Although with MITB it may be overkill at this point. Even if it did work, they'd probably find some way to screw it up.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:54 AM   #47
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Feel like there should have been a tournament to determine Del Rio's opponent for summerslam would have meant more instead of a random triple threat
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Nothing to do with tournaments, but when was the last time there was a number 1 contenders match on a PPV?
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Ah, I remembered it happening but wasn't sure if it was something they actually pushed as another award at one point or not. I feel like it would be a cool way to help build up title feuds/matches for Summerslam like the Rumble does (or used to) for Mania. Although with MITB it may be overkill at this point. Even if it did work, they'd probably find some way to screw it up.
I've said it in another thread but KOTR is one of the reasons I miss the brand split, both shows having their own bracket so you get an inter brand final and a fresh match up and it fills up tv time for a few weeks prior. I remember them putting over all the former winners who went on to become World champions so giving a title shot as a reward makes sense, it was usually in June so either have a two month build or give the shot at MITB, either way it sets up an angle weeks in advance.

Same with Survivor Series, giving the winning teams a reward, surviving members get a spot in the Rumble or something, maybe even do a gold rush tournament on tv with the winning team to determine the #1 contender for TLC.
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Nothing to do with tournaments, but when was the last time there was a number 1 contenders match on a PPV?
ADR vs Swagger I Quit Match at Extreme Rules.
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I too miss tournaments, especially King of the Ring. They definitely have enough talented guys on the roster who are floundering and have nothing better to do that could be in the tourney and put on some good matches.

Am I crazy or did KOTR winners for a few years or a few times in the 90's, also earn a title shot at Summerslam or the next PPV?
From '96 through '99, it was for the IC title at the pre-SummerSlam PPV such as Vengeance. See Austin, HHH, Shamrock, and Mr. Ass, especially Billy Gunn because as SummerSlam he lost to The Rock in a Kiss My Ass Match while Austin was WWE Champ.
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Old 08-01-2013, 08:30 AM   #52
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I don't think any of those guys challenged for the IC title at the pre-SummerSlam PPV or SummerSlam.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:16 AM   #53
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TNA has a good thing with the Bound For Glory Series - though not a traditional tourney. It means for 2 months they can fill TV with random matches that actually mean something.

When is WWE's traditional "down period"? They could run a massive tournament during that time that might get some interest. Or build it towards/at Survivor Series as it ties-in with the survivor theme. Either book towards it with the winner getting a WWE Title shot at the PPV or have the semi-finals on the show, the eventual winner would have competed twice before their match which would put them in an interesting underdog situation.

Then you have a number of angles spin-off from the tournament matches giving you something to work with towards Christmas/before Rumble Season kicks in.
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From Summerslam to the Rumble its pretty much dead so something like that would make perfect sense, you've still got 3 PPVs until the Rumble build up starts and that's an ideal focal point to use on TV to give the casual audience something to relate it too and give the Rumble match itself some stories that make sense.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:40 AM   #55
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Lesnar did. I feel like that may have been the only time though.
I think Mabel got the shot too for winning and maybe Booker T did aswell? I am not sure about that though.
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What I meant to say is the current year's KOTR winner would typically win the IC title the following SummerSlam:
Austin won IC at SS '97.
HHH won IC at SS '98.
Mr. Ass was derailed by a feud over the rights to the DX name (lost to Road Dogg and X-Pac) and then didn't challenge for the IC title until 2001, never challenging for the WWE title.
Angle won KOTR '00 and challenged unsuccessfully for the WWE title at SS '00 against champ Rock and co-challenger HHH in a triangle match.
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I felt like this recently too. With Christian seemingly just getting a random World Title shot, they could have booked him into the role with some big wins over a few weeks in the form of a returning King of the Ring tournament (a move Vickie Guerrero makes to look like an amazing GM).

First Round:

* The former King of the Ring, Sheamus, "defends" his crown against Kane. It doesn't really matter who wins this match, but I'd go with Kane, just because he seems to have more going on at SummerSlam, and putting him over Sheamus would give him a bit of a credibility boost heading into that show. Sheamus can use the leg as an excuse to go out in the first round and take some time off.

* Randy Orton defeats Damien Sandow in a Money in the Bank Winner vs. Money in the Bank Winner round with the RKO.

* Rob Van Dam defeats Antonio Cesaro with the Five Star Frog Splash after getting stretched out and uppercutted a lot.

* Christian defeats former World Heavyweight Champion Jack Swagger with The Killswitch, using his experience and skill to outsmart the head-strong young hoss.

(Two of these matches happened on SmackDown over the past few weeks anyway.)

Semi-Finals:

* Randy Orton defeats Kane when he counters a Chokeslam into an RKO. The Wyatt Family then attack Kane and tell him to follow the buzzards.

* Christian defeats RVD when he uses his own Frog Splash on RVD. Respect is shown between Christian and RVD after the match.

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* Christian defeats Orton with The Killswitch when he counters an RKO attempt to become the 2013 King of the Ring. They then have something to hype Christian as when he goes to battle Del Rio at SummerSlam. They can talk about how the career launched Bret Hart, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Edge, Brock Lesnar, Booker T and Sheamus to higher stratospheres. If you have Christian win the World Title at SummerSlam, all of a sudden it makes the tournament mean something again, and they can use it in an entirely different context next year.
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I found a few of non-WWE tournaments that were pretty cool. Like the King of Europe Cup that took place in Britian that featured Rhyno and Davey Richards. In Japan the 1995 WAR J-Cup that had an early Jericho vs. Benoit match. The Super J Cup in 1994 which Beniot won and had Eddie Guerrero wrestling as Black Tiger.
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Part of the reason I love Japanese wrestling is cause they have a ton of different tournaments.

G-1 Climax almost always delivers.
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Big Show and Orton make it to the finals with the understanding that Orton will do the "Fingerpoke of Doom" on Show for the title, but Show refuses once the bell has rung and pins Orton after a five-minute match to become WWE Champion.
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Old 09-22-2013, 06:55 PM   #63
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Would love a WWE Championship tournament. 16 participants, 8 matches, 3 hours, 2 finalists, 1 WWE Champion. Do this for RAW.
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What, 4 fatal fourways, then two semifinals, a final, then another final. Eight matches.
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:43 AM   #66
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And that's a shame. That was pretty much the whole damned PPV. Almost as much fun as when they used to announce 5 Royal Rumble entrants at a time per week. I still kind of wish they would do that... only leave like 10 people unanounced for one-offs and surprise returns.
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I think Mabel got the shot too for winning and maybe Booker T did aswell? I am not sure about that though.

Owen fought Bret in the cage at Summerslam '94 after winning KotR as well. Dont think that was directly because of the KotR win tho...

Survivor Series NEEDS to come back. The biggest benefit from bringing traditional surivor series matches and KotR back is just what everyone said, give the guys doing jack shit at least a CHANCE to be involved in something...anything!

Hows this? 20 years after the Foreign Fanatics took on the All Americans at Survivor Series '93 from Boston they decide to do it again, with Survivor Series once again in Boston. Only this time the All Americans are the heels (Real Americans captains) and the Foreign Fanatics are the faces captained by Santino!

The thought of Santino recruiting kayfabe foreigners without taking no for an answer is hillarious to me. Think about Santino getting Tons of Funk, from "Planet Funk" and "Japan" and Kofi from "Jamaica" to team with him to take on the All Real Americans with Swagger, Cesaro, Big E. and Damien Sandow. Great story that would give Santino something funny and actually important to do that would be comedic gold for someone with his skills. The Real Americans doing a sit down interigation style interview process to find the perfect fit for their team would be pretty great to watch too. Colter screaming at Sandow and intimidating him into saying yes also makes me happy to think about.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:17 AM   #67
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Owen fought Bret in the cage at Summerslam '94 after winning KotR as well. Dont think that was directly because of the KotR win tho...

Survivor Series NEEDS to come back. The biggest benefit from bringing traditional surivor series matches and KotR back is just what everyone said, give the guys doing jack shit at least a CHANCE to be involved in something...anything!

Hows this? 20 years after the Foreign Fanatics took on the All Americans at Survivor Series '93 from Boston they decide to do it again, with Survivor Series once again in Boston. Only this time the All Americans are the heels (Real Americans captains) and the Foreign Fanatics are the faces captained by Santino!


The thought of Santino recruiting kayfabe foreigners without taking no for an answer is hillarious to me. Think about Santino getting Tons of Funk, from "Planet Funk" and "Japan" and Kofi from "Jamaica" to team with him to take on the All Real Americans with Swagger, Cesaro, Big E. and Damien Sandow. Great story that would give Santino something funny and actually important to do that would be comedic gold for someone with his skills. The Real Americans doing a sit down interigation style interview process to find the perfect fit for their team would be pretty great to watch too. Colter screaming at Sandow and intimidating him into saying yes also makes me happy to think about.
I saw that Bret/Owen match and it was an awesome cat/mouse match with barely a guy getting the upper hand. Also that idea with Santino sounds pretty awesome.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:52 AM   #68
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That tournament they did for the WWE title when CM Punk "left the company" was pretty sweet. Some great matches there. OK, cya later.
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What, 4 fatal fourways, then two semifinals, a final, then another final. Eight matches.
As booked by TNA.
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