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Old 05-15-2004, 06:50 AM   #41
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Rey Mysterio has nothing on Jushin Lyger, Paul London, Ultimo Dragon, Minoru Tanaka, or The Amazing Red.
Get off the drugs kid. Mysterio reinvented that whole division and two guys on that list wouldn't even be here today without his influence. Again, just because he is different, that doesn't mean he isn't good. I would love to see how all the others would cope if they went to WWE and were told to cut back on the flashy dangerous moves. Oh wait, we saw what happened with Ultimo and London.
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Old 05-15-2004, 07:54 AM   #42
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I only see one on that list. Paul's style is NOT Mysterio's. And Red is a bitter jackass who hates Mysterio for stealing "His" Style.

Oh, and it IS spelled a different way. Hell I didn't even MAKE this Avatar.
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Old 05-15-2004, 09:13 AM   #43
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London was still influenced by Misterio. He admitted it ages ago. Kinda hard not be influenced by the guy who put crusierweight wresting on the map.
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Old 05-15-2004, 09:24 AM   #44
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Rey Mysterio ownz all other cruiserweights. Havn't seen Paul London wrestle, Ultimo just sucks now and I never liked Kidman
No... Mysterio can't really mat wrestle that great... WWE wise, noble is a far better wrestler... Globally, Mysterio can't hold a candle up to Lyger.
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Old 05-15-2004, 10:19 AM   #45
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Since when did mat wrestling define you as whether you are a great wrestler or not?
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Old 05-15-2004, 10:39 AM   #46
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Since "what would kevin do" said so... i guess
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Old 05-15-2004, 10:42 AM   #47
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I would rather watch rey mysterio than jamie noble!
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Old 05-15-2004, 11:04 AM   #48
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Kazara does not have that much rep yet (10+)
Wrestling is NOT limited to Mat-Wrestling, although it helps. Wrestling is the physchology, pace, selling, and the ability to tell a story in a match.
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Old 05-15-2004, 11:06 AM   #49
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London was still influenced by Misterio. He admitted it ages ago. Kinda hard not be influenced by the guy who put crusierweight wresting on the map.

You spelled, "Jushin Liger" wrong.
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Old 05-15-2004, 11:19 AM   #50
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Wrestling is NOT limited to Mat-Wrestling, although it helps. Wrestling is the physchology, pace, selling, and the ability to tell a story in a match.
very true, stone cold and the rock are great examples.
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Old 05-15-2004, 12:08 PM   #51
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Get off the drugs kid. Mysterio reinvented that whole division and two guys on that list wouldn't even be here today without his influence. Again, just because he is different, that doesn't mean he isn't good. I would love to see how all the others would cope if they went to WWE and were told to cut back on the flashy dangerous moves. Oh wait, we saw what happened with Ultimo and London.
I don't know, I never said Myterio was a bad wrestler. There's no doubt that Mysterio influenced several modern crusierweights, maybe I went too far saying that Paul London was better, but c'mon you can't say that Rey Mysterio had more of an influence than Jushin Lyger.
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Old 05-15-2004, 10:01 PM   #52
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You spelled, "Jushin Liger" wrong.
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I don't know, I never said Myterio was a bad wrestler. There's no doubt that Mysterio influenced several modern crusierweights, maybe I went too far saying that Paul London was better, but c'mon you can't say that Rey Mysterio had more of an influence than Jushin Lyger.
Easy. Liger and Pillman first brought it to a national audience but nobody gave a toss about it for years. It wasn't until Rey Misterio showed up in ECW and then WCW that people stood up and took note. Disagree all you want but nobody cared about crusierweights until he showed up because he was so different from anything they had ever seen before, including Liger. Lucha Libre was around years before Liger was even born so you can't call him the trend setter in the States anyway.

EVERYONE got into crusierweight wrestling after seeing Misterio vs. Malenko in WCW. It brought new fans to the table and it spawned the over crowded mess of 170lbs wrestlers that you see crowding the indies now. They all got into wrestling because of what they saw on Nitro and Rey Misterio was the pioneer of that.

For the record, I'm not even his biggest fan. Misterio wouldn't make my top 5 favourite crusierweights of all time but I have to give credit where it's due.
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Old 05-16-2004, 04:19 AM   #53
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Since when did mat wrestling define you as whether you are a great wrestler or not?
Mat wrestling adds depth. Mysterio is a great high flyer, but once you take the spots away from him, he's not a very deep wrestler... He's entertaining, but if he couldn't move like he does, he'd pretty much be worthless.

Liger on the other hand, you could take away his high flying moves, and he would still be an extremely solid worker who would still be entertaining.

Ultimately, this goes back to the thread where it was argued that it is basically impossible to judge and rate matches and wrestlers due to opinion. In my opinion, a wrestler who can actually mat wrestle, or wrestle other styles is going to be better than a wrestler who is using one general style... In Sports Entertainment type companies, this may not be as big of an issue, but if you watch puroresu, a diverse style is an excellent thing to have. Lyger has diversity, Noble has diversity, Mysterio is Mysterio, that's probably never going to change.
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Old 05-16-2004, 04:37 AM   #54
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Mysterio used to have a really good mat game, around 96 and 97. Aside from all the flashy spots, he'd throw in some pretty nice submissions. Sure, you'd never mistake him for Dean Malenko, but in my book, back then Rey was IMO the best cruiser in the world, bar none (he's still one of my favorites)

Now, although he's still one of the top 3 or 4 best cruisers in the WWE, he's slowed down quite a bit after all those nagging knee injuries. I still mark out for him, but he's not at the level he used to be.

Anyways, I honestly can't say who's the top of the heap today. Maybe Tajiri, or Chavo Jr.

I'm still a big Kidman fan, but he doesn't really stand out. Sure, he's got a sloppy SSP, but his overall work is pretty good, especially in a tag team. I haven't seen much of TAKA since he left WWE, so I can't really judge. And there's tons of other great guys I could go on about, but I don't particularly feel like it.
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Old 05-16-2004, 11:57 AM   #55
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I would rather watch rey mysterio than jamie noble!
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Bah God, you two have absolutely no idea how long I've been waiting for somebody to say that. Both Kidman and Noble have annoyed the hell out of me from the 1st day they appeared on my tv. The only reason Kidman got a push on WCW was because he was a complete bitch backstage, I guess he heard that worked well in other places . Noble has no personality whatsoever, so they had to do the time honored tradition of sticking him with Nidia. (Half dressed chick + generic guy drawing no heat = instant pop baby!) I'm sorry, but I don't care how many "picture perfect armdrags" Noble can do, if you can't make me care about those 2 people in that ring, get off my TV. [/rant]

As for cruiserweights I DO give a crap about, I've been a big, big fan of Tajiri ever since his ECW days, & I actually marked out when I found out WWE had signed him . Hurricane is another who can really get me into a match, he's one of the most underappreciated workers I can think of. I'd really like to see Devon Storm (Crowbar in WCW) in WWE, he was one of the main reasons I kept tuning in to WCW during the "Dark Russo Days"
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Old 05-16-2004, 12:21 PM   #56
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Kidman vs Jaime Noble - 60 minute iron man match

Pat Patterson vs Rikishi - Bra & Panties

Torrie vs Dawn Marie - 1st one to do a Tiger Driver wins (this one'll be a while)

Chris Jericho vs RVD - Glass Ceiling Match (winner gets the honor of being buried by HHH, loser gets buried by 'Taker's wife)

HHH vs Sgt. Slaughter - Biggest Nose vs Biggest Chin!
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