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Old 08-28-2013, 09:58 PM   #41
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OR when Punk lost to Kane at the PPV after winning MITB and everyone flipped out
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:01 PM   #42
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:08 PM   #43
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Old 08-30-2013, 01:09 PM   #44
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Honestly, I dont think Bryan will ever be as big as tjat night at Summerslam now. These past two RAWs have completely sucked all of his momentum away. Now the Big Show thing. Guys, they made a mistake. It isn't too late to correct, but this has been really awful booking since SS. Like irresponsible. The fans were so ravenous and retribution seeking after SS and now it is getting progressively harder to care as the heels are getting the upper hand every week. The iron is luke warm right now when it was white hot only two weeks ago.
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Old 08-30-2013, 01:43 PM   #45
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:58 PM   #46
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It wouldn't really be a very fun angle if Bryan instantly got the better of a heel stable consisting of 5 very strongly booked guys. He obviously will get the upper hand eventually, but don't they really need to build up the threat to make it even mean anything?

Also Triple H and Orton were two pretty huge faces so they kinda need to make them seem like huge dickheads to stop people cheering for them. Seems like it's all been solid so far. Hasn't it only been like two weeks?
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:00 PM   #47
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:04 PM   #48
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I've mentioned this on the podcast before, but in the long-term, this feud is absolute gold (if they don't screw it up and job Bryan out at the last second to make way for Cena once he's healthy again). Pairing Orton with a corporate heel Triple H (and not a cheer-for-him-anyway "cool heel" Trips, but a full-on power-abusing asshole Trips) and having him steal the title away from Bryan makes for a perfect heel for both the smark and mark crowds: the marks hate him because he's a bad guy who stole the title, the smarks hate him because collectively with the McMahon clan, they represent everything wrong with the business. And Bryan is the perfect counter to that-- the "YES!" stuff and his tag team run with Kane got him over with the marks, and he's already been over with the smarks thanks to years of classic matches both in WWE and in the indies. So you've got a feud that just about everyone can get behind.

And a big part of that is that early on, Bryan has to get denied. He has to face long odds and get visibly put down by the McMahon Dynasty, so that when he does finally work his way back to Orton and make him tap out, it will be that much sweeter (again, assuming they don't just go "Oh look, Cena's back, time for another Cena/Orton feud!") because right now we're basically seeing played out on screen something that we all kind of assume happens backstage anyway--a crony of Trips or Vince getting a push he doesn't deserve and more talented wrestlers getting buried to make him look good-- and then Bryan ultimately winning will be a cathartic "breaking the cycle" moment.

That said......my absolute favorite wrestler in the world has ended the show getting KO'ed by my absolute least favorite wrestler in the world for four shows straight, so......yeah, it's kind of a bitter pill to swallow at the moment.
Orqueer really is stunningly awful at absolutely everything he does. How Worst Wrestling Ever has given him so many world title runs is mind-rottingly befuddling. He still struggles to get any kind of heat whatsoever outside of the idiot female fans who pop for his appearance.
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You build to achieve reactions that Bryan was already getting months ago. That's what a build is for. Slowly building now is just taking away from momentum that Bryan already had. You don't need to build with a guy that's already at the pinnacle of his popularity.
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:07 AM   #50
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The thing is, the angle is 3 WEEKS OLD. How long did Vince McMahon fuck with Steve Austin before Austin finally gave him that first Stunner?
Vince got stunned because he said he cared about Austin's neck and didn't want him to compete until he was ready. Austin started it.
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Vince got stunned because he said he cared about Austin's neck and didn't want him to compete until he was ready. Austin started it.
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My point is that they didn't hotshot the angle, not who attacked who first.
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You build to achieve reactions that Bryan was already getting months ago. That's what a build is for. Slowly building now is just taking away from momentum that Bryan already had. You don't need to build with a guy that's already at the pinnacle of his popularity.
By saying somebody is that the pinnacle of their popularity, you're the one who is short changing Daniel Bryan. How do you know he couldn't become any more popular?
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GIVE HIM ALL OF THE TITLES NOW

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Everybody had it coming.
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GIVE HIM ALL OF THE TITLES NOW

i'm not even sure who i'm making fun of. everybody. fuck off this with thread.
I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that I officially embrace Ron the Dial as king and retroactively change all of my votes to him--even in the brackets he wasn't involved in.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:33 AM   #56
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WWE is doing what they think will make Bryan a stronger name down the line. They see this as just the first chapter in a longer-running storyline involving Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, HHH and Bryan's pursuit of the WWE title. To me, it is dangerously similar to the storyline with CM Punk post-Summerslam 2011 with HHH and Kevin Nash involved. That scenario ended with Punk losing a lot of his momentum, forcing him to work really hard to get back to where he was. I really hope that in the end, Daniel Bryan doesn't have to go through the same journey. The crowd loves him and he works a tremendously entertaining style in the ring. If all of this leads to him eating a Pedigree and being pinned, it was a waste of time. If it leads to Bryan eventually winning the WWE title and having a nice run with it, I am all for the storyline. I just wish they had given his fans 24 hours to really savor the first title win. Instead, they switched the belt and killed that moment of joy and any potential PPV replay buys.

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So I'm not completely crazy then? That's exactly what I have been saying. In short, if Daniel Bryan ends this Raw on his back, be concerned. If he doesn't, all is forgiven!
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:32 AM   #57
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Didn't everyone complain when Punk came back to early and said he shoulda had a few months 'away' with the title? Pretty sure there's a lot of folk here who grumble about the lack of long term booking anymore, and maybe I'm old fashioned but long term is longer than 3 weeks to me so not really seeing an issue with a guy getting beaten down by the US champ, the TAG champs, all 3 of which form a very dominant unit which was booked as unstoppable for months and the WWE champion and yet he's still booked strong and is allowed offense.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:03 AM   #58
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Lol would there really be people who would be savouring for 24 hours over a wrestler they liked being the champion? Can't imagine it would really affect people's days all that much
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Just picturing some big fat St Jimmy guy, sweating away in an office at work in a miserable mood because a guy he liked isnt the WWE champion, hoping the next day will be better when he gets his revenge on Raw.
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I mean if he was getting jobbed out to the combined force of Ryder, Bo Dallas and Hornswoggle every week then maybe I'd be concerned but he's getting beaten down by three guys who the company has made a point of showcasing as an effective cohesive unit who have went over every big name they've faced, including Cena/Rock/Undertaker etc.
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Also how are they not "striking while the iron's hot?" It's not as though he's in a US title feud or just losing to any old midcarder. He's the protagonist in the main feud in the company, and a storyline that could well become one of their biggest in years if they go all out with a corporation-esque stable in the long term.

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WWE is doing what they think will make Bryan a stronger name down the line. They see this as just the first chapter in a longer-running storyline involving Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, HHH and Bryan's pursuit of the WWE title. To me, it is dangerously similar to the storyline with CM Punk post-Summerslam 2011 with HHH and Kevin Nash involved. That scenario ended with Punk losing a lot of his momentum, forcing him to work really hard to get back to where he was. I really hope that in the end, Daniel Bryan doesn't have to go through the same journey. The crowd loves him and he works a tremendously entertaining style in the ring. If all of this leads to him eating a Pedigree and being pinned, it was a waste of time. If it leads to Bryan eventually winning the WWE title and having a nice run with it, I am all for the storyline. I just wish they had given his fans 24 hours to really savor the first title win. Instead, they switched the belt and killed that moment of joy and any potential PPV replay buys.

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So I'm not completely crazy then? That's exactly what I have been saying. In short, if Daniel Bryan ends this Raw on his back, be concerned. If he doesn't, all is forgiven!
He is basing his complaints off what ifs. I do agree if he loses to the pedigree it is kind of retarded, but he HASN'T lost to the pedigree. And this whole angle has been planned for a while.

This is honestly why the IWC is considered retarded.
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Or it's people who know that if this continues, Bryan's momentum could die down, it's happened before.
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Look. If Daniel Bryan can recover from jobbing out to Sheamus in 18 seconds in the curtain jerker at wrestlemania, he'll be fine no matter what happens.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:07 AM   #66
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And I don't know... this isn't the fucking power rangers, we aren't 6-years-old. Bad guys need to get the heat, or else Bryan fucking them up won't mean anything.

I honestly wish people would just sit back and enjoy that one of the most talented guys in the business is getting a break, even if he isn't being booked as super man.
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:37 AM   #67
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The HUGE difference between the Summer of Punk and the Summer of Bryan is that HHH is a heel now. When he was a face he was still pandering, trying to be cool, glomming the babyface reactions from Punk. Now that he's a heel, he's doing what he does best: BEING A HEEL.

Flair and the Horsemen had the upper hand constantly in Mid South. Faces don't need to stand tall every week.
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On Smackdown he ran off the Shield and Orton by himself to save The Miz. Then he had Ryback beat clean until Orton caused the DQ, and Orton never even managed to get a shot in before Bryan had him in the Yes Lock, forcing the Shield to save him. Hardly making him look weak.
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You folk and your common sense make me sick!
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If there's a potential problem with Daniel Bryan, it's the pedestal effect. They find something popular, and in then trying to package it as popular, destroy it...

Cody Rhodes is popular in spite of his associating with Sandow. Splitting them apart and facing them off is a climax too early and they're left with nowhere to go.

Ziggler has building momentum, in part because of his cool stable. Once they notice he's popular? Remove him from his stable. AJ and Big E get to keep that momentum, Ziggler is left with nothing and nowhere to go.

Fandangoing. Hey, this is pretty cool, so let's get Grandad Lawler into the ring to TELL you to do that thing you were spontaneously doing.
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I think it all depends on whether DB wins this feud. If he does, it's a great story of revenge. If he doesn't and Orton moves on to CM Punk, DB is damaged.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:03 AM   #72
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Why not just chill out and watch the show you like then? And see what happens. Rather than overanalysing it all before anything even happens.
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I do watch it and enjoy it. But this is a discussion board...what else are we meant to discuss other than the storylines we're interested in?
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:05 AM   #74
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this angle is good because they are making some of the iwc look like complete marks

it's amazing
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:12 AM   #75
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I do watch it and enjoy it. But this is a discussion board...what else are we meant to discuss other than the storylines we're interested in?
Fair point.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:16 AM   #76
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Because the discussion is coming off as whining that your favourite wrestler isn't winning every match.
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He isn't being buried at all though, he's allowed to look competitive against 3/4 guys before getting beaten down, all of whom hold titles and are presented as being dominant. But probably the biggest gripe everyone has with this thread is that it's only been 2/3 weeks since Summerslam.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:55 AM   #78
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I wouldn't necessarily call it whining when he's been beaten down and humiliated five shows in a row. But I can understand it's a bit early to be concerned, I just know that WWE have a history of not following angles through how they should.
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But he looks strong, he's getting beaten down by a group of guys who took out the Undertaker/Rock/Cena/Big Show/Mark Henry etc. and the WWE champion, he's holding his own far longer than any of them did, I don't think you fully understand what being buried is.
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this angle is good because they are making some of the iwc look like complete marks

it's amazing
The IWC doesn't need help on that front.
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