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Old 10-16-2013, 07:17 PM   #41
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:17 PM   #42
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I'm definitely not going to take anything away from Daniel Bryan in the ring, but I think that Cesaro is definitely better than Punk in the ring.
I'll agree with that.punk's great, but Bryan and Cesaro are more entertaining in the ring.

Go ahead Narc, accuse me of trolling.
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:02 PM   #44
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Punk's ring psychology is way above Cesaro's
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:04 PM   #45
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I either don't agree, or we have differing thoughts on ring psychology. Maybe both.
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I dunno, I've been watching Cesaro and Punk since their ROH days and I've never seen Cesaro tell a story in the ring like Punk can.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:54 AM   #47
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He often tells the story of a phenom who is really fucking good at what he does (in a win) or a beast who lets his pride get in the way (in a loss). Punk may have more avenues based on his lack of size and rather unimpressive look, but those aren't Cesaro's fault either. Cesaro will never be a sympathetic face, because he's built like a tank. He doesn't have to be a slimeball heel, because he's just so damn kayfabe talented. Punk definitely trumps him tenfold on the mic, though.
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Moreover, Punk is often sloppy, especially in comparison to Cesaro. Punk's flying elbow looks absolutely terrible. When watching Cesaro matches, I often find myself cringing, thinking about how much his offense looks like it would actually hurt.
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What is it with Punk's elbow!? Why does it look so bad?

For a guy who is known for his in-ring ability it is the worst looking elbow drop probably ever. Magnus could give him a lesson in dropping an elbow.
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I feel like I should say that I do enjoy CM Punk, but Cesaro is just something else.
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Would much rather watch Cesaro than Punk. Feel like I'm gonna see something new every time watching Cesaro.
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What is it with Punk's elbow!? Why does it look so bad?

For a guy who is known for his in-ring ability it is the worst looking elbow drop probably ever. Magnus could give him a lesson in dropping an elbow.
According to Punk, on the Art of Wrestling podcast with Lanny "The Genius" Poffo, he now makes it look like trash on purpose.
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Of course he does.
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What's the purpose of making a move look bad?
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Because people already bitched about it. You know how Punk likes to "wind people up".
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As an entertainer, I think that's stupid as fuck. If he CAN do a better one, he SHOULD do a better one.
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Especially considering he pays homage to Randy Savage every time, the way he raises his arms in the air. Pretty much a dick move.

Being a dick to wind people up is whatever, but if we're talking about in-ring (which I am right now), making a move look shitty on purpose will definitely lose you some points. #teamcesaro
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Dunno. Most of the time I don't have an issue with Punk's elbow. Only on occasion does it look bad. Most of the time it looks fine. Not great, but fine.
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Cesaro and Kofi had some bangers.

Cesaro's whole US title run was full of great matches.
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I was so happy when Cesaro won the US title at SummerSlam. I thought that was going to be the beginning of his rise.
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Cesaro is my favorite wrestler at the moment. Every time he does something I mark out. As Gertner says, it feels like you get something new every time he gets in there. We still haven't seen everything he can do, either. I'm waiting for the day where we see a Ricola Bomb or UFO in the WWE. Given that it is now confirmed that The Real Americans will be facing Los Matadores at Hell in a Cell, I hope to see a "hands-free" UFO in that match.

I really want to see Tony Cesaro work as a babyface, but his surgical style in the ring works so well as a heel. But then you have Daniel Bryan who can be quite similar and yet is working fine as a babyface. Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter turning on Cesaro as a platform to launch Cesaro onto bigger and better things would be something that I would get behind. Don't do it until you're actually ready to go somewhere with Cesaro though. Maybe the Los Matadores vs. Real Americans feud can be extended and feature the Tag Team Championship at some point?

I'll also throw this out there: I really, really want to see Antonio Cesaro vs. Brock Lesnar. Think about that match. Cesaro is strong as an ox, but would be giving up some size to Lesnar, almost to the point where he could be sympathetic for the first time. Lesnar is probably the best worker for his size ever. But could you imagine Cesaro hitting the Cesaro Swing on Lesnar? That would be fucking insane. Not just because of Lesnar's size, but because of his presence.
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I'm not sure where they plan to go with the World Titles, but if John Cena ends up the World Heavyweight Champion sometime soon, I would not be opposed to Brock Lesnar becoming the WWE Champion and Cesaro being his challenger at WrestleMania. Daniel Bryan could win the WWE Title at Hell in a Cell or sometime thereafter and Paul Heyman could offer his services to Triple H and Stephanie McMahon to get the WWE Title off Bryan. Curtis Axel and Ryback fall short, but Heyman has his third client in the wings -- "BROCK LESNAR!"

After a valiant effort and interference from Triple H, Lesnar becomes a four-time WWE Champion. This would set up Bryan vs. Triple H and Lesnar as WWE Champion. Cesaro could have a star-making moment in the Royal Rumble or something and challenge Lesnar for the title, for which Heyman calls him crazy. It wouldn't be the star title match, as you'd have John Cena probably carrying the World Title into WrestleMania XXX -- maybe for a match against The Undertaker if we're going forward with Bryan vs. Triple H.
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Cesaro probably has the most impressive natural physique I've seen, that is also actually functional. Super respect for him.
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Old 10-25-2013, 11:32 PM   #69
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If Cesaro were better on the mic I would totally support a main event push. When he speaks he just loses me. He needs a bit more charisma in his voice. There's no "oomf" to him.
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He reminds me of like your common Euro guy you have on a sports team. He's not a "bad" talker, he's perfectly coherent and intelligent, but he doesn't have that "it" factor. He talks like "some dude" #tripleapost
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If Cesaro were better on the mic I would totally support a main event push. When he speaks he just loses me. He needs a bit more charisma in his voice. There's no "oomf" to him.
More and more I'm finding him to grow into his role, though. He's probably never going to be an "amazing promo!" but, some of the stuff he does with Zeb and Swagger cracks me up. I think he's got charisma there somewhere, and it's coming out more and more. He stands out to me more than Jack Swagger does when they walk out.

As a heel, I think he should work on looking badass when he's got someone talking for him. The way he is with Zeb, while I find it entertaining, kind of makes it seem like he's along for a ride, if that makes sense. As soon as he starts wrestling he's like a fish in water, but he should stand out there like it's his ring and not even Swagger belongs in it.
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