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Old 02-27-2014, 09:11 AM   #41
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I would prefer the stipulation for the Triple H/Daniel Bryan match to be that if Bryan wins, he gets a title match. Only on RAW the following night against the Batista/Orton winner. WrestleMania will draw big anyway. The atmosphere for that title match in front of that post-Mania hardcore crowd would top Punk/Cena at MITB 2011. And it would probably pop the ratings also. He might not get his grand WrestleMania moment but it'd be way more fun. There'd probably be more anticipation for that than Mania itself from a TV/PPV audience pov.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:27 AM   #42
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I would prefer the stipulation for the Triple H/Daniel Bryan match to be that if Bryan wins, he gets a title match. Only on RAW the following night against the Batista/Orton winner. WrestleMania will draw big anyway. The atmosphere for that title match in front of that post-Mania hardcore crowd would top Punk/Cena at MITB 2011. And it would probably pop the ratings also. He might not get his grand WrestleMania moment but it'd be way more fun. There'd probably be more anticipation for that than Mania itself from a TV/PPV audience pov.
I think that could go either way. I think the fans would in fact be happy for Bryan either way, but if he's not in the Orton/Batista match the fans will probably shit all over it. Does the WWE want to have their World Title shit on at the biggest show of the year so they can get a giant ratings boost on Monday?

Orton and Batista could even have an amazing match, but the fans are already biased against it.

If Bryan wrestles twice that's two almost guaranteed good reactions. It's like how Foley winning the title went over well, but the matches themselves weren't really that impressive. Bryan could stink up the ring and they'd still cheer like crazy when he won.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:48 AM   #43
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If the Bryan/HHH match didnt have Bryan earning a shot on the night and I had a ticket I would encourage anyone who would listen to turn their back on the Orton /Batista match
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I wasn't really speaking from a logical pov (at least where the Mania title match is concerned) more just what I personally would like to see. That said, they'd still have 5 weeks to get the crowd on board with Orton/Batista to an extent plus being able to put Taker/Brock on last. If it was known Bryan was going to get his moment/he beats Triple H earlier in the show and the crowd still shit on a title match not in the main event spot just because it's Orton/Batista, I'm more inclined to think fuck that idiotic section of fans more than anything. But I don't run a gigantic wrestling empire.
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I'm guessing though that these are the same types of fans that ruined Goldberg VS. Lesnar, which should have been epic.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:11 AM   #46
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Can out Undertaker vs. Lesner on last. This works especially if it is Undertakes's last match. Main event Mania, lights go out after the match, and when they comeback on Undertaker is gone. Would be a epic way to end Mania and Undertaker's career.
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And the crowd won't shit on the Undertaker and his match.
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I'm guessing though that these are the same types of fans that ruined Goldberg VS. Lesnar, which should have been epic.
indeed. See: Orton/Cena @ the Rumble. Quality match with a finish that would have gotten an even better reaction if they'd have just gone with it from the beginning instead of being too busy acting like dickheads from the moment the bell rang because they thought they knew better/what was going to happen.
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Jesus Christ, they pretty much traded CM Punk, one of the most over characters in the business, for Batista, someone they thought would be a huge face but is now getting the highest level of X-Pac heat ever.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:59 AM   #51
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Orton and Batista could even have an amazing match, but the fans are already biased against it.
The match would be so amazing, it would take Batista's breath away.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:01 PM   #52
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So it would go more than 2 minutes?
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It was always a shitty situation. And people constantly talked about it.
Yeah all those Benoit and Gurrerro fans whose big favorites never would have been champion without the split and 2 world titles, yeah they were really pissed. Kurt Angle fans who got to see him main event WM19, yeah they were totally pissed. The people who were constantly talking about it fell squarely into the "haters gonna hate" category.
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There's a reason they wouldn't have gotten the title without it being split in two. Because it brought down the prestige of both enough to where you didn't need to be a major star to win it. You just admitted to that by saying the two guys holding the titles never would have been champion without the titles being split in two. How in the hell is bringing down the prestige of titles so that MORE GUYS can realistically hold it a good thing? lol
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:23 AM   #56
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indeed. See: Orton/Cena @ the Rumble. Quality match with a finish that would have gotten an even better reaction if they'd have just gone with it from the beginning instead of being too busy acting like dickheads from the moment the bell rang because they thought they knew better/what was going to happen.
I normally agree with you, and I enjoy reading your idea of Daniel Bryan getting his title shot on RAW the next night. I think they could even drag it out until Extreme Rules or later (make the fans absolutely SALIVATE for it -- the moolah is in the chase), but I enjoyed hearing the fans shit all over Cena vs. Orton, despite the quality of the match being, as you implied, quite good.

People didn't want to see Cena vs. Orton again. If you're going to put forth something your fanbase doesn't want to see, you're going to get shit for it. The hard line seems to be in convincing the people who plunk down money for PPV that guys like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk are worth investing in. Well, that could have been achieved by actually sending the message that they aren't second-rate players all the time. This seemed to happen more with CM Punk during his run as WWE Champion than it is with Daniel Bryan today, to be fair (Bryan's overt criticisms from The Authority are part of a storyline). But if you want Johnny Casual to put down money for Daniel Bryan stuff (and considering that Daniel Bryan seems to have a new t-shirt every two months, I'd say that something is working), then I think sending the message that he can close the deal is definitely the right one to take. They did that at Elimination Chamber effectively, in my opinion, but main events between a combination of Orton/Cena/Batista at this point in time just aren't doing it for live crowds.
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I guess my point there is: Why should people cheer for something they don't want to see?
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