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Old 07-08-2014, 03:18 AM   #41
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Triple H made CM Punk cry and leave.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:44 AM   #42
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I think Triple H's boring, monotonous 20 minute promos to open Raw every week for years where he reminded us multiple times that he's the game-ah... and he is that damn good could have been longer personally.
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:53 AM   #43
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Playing devil's advocate again - do you think there has been a focus on him more than there should have been over the years, and if so, how negatively do you guys think that's affected the company?
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:01 AM   #44
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You should put HHH's nose on trial.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:34 AM   #45
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Playing devil's advocate again - do you think there has been a focus on him more than there should have been over the years, and if so, how negatively do you guys think that's affected the company?
No. When he was the major focus from 02-03, he was the only major star left who could still go. Raw had nothing left once Austin quit and then did 1 match and retired, Rock went to Hollywood, and all the major injuries to guys like Benoit and Rhyno. Raw had some potential guys but they shot themselves in the foot (RVD). Remember, he feuded with Bubba Ray and Eugene at one point. SmackDown! had all the stars who could still go in the ring. Nash/Booker T or Scott Steiner/Booker T would have been much better for a WMXIX Main event. Shawn Michaels didn't want any long runs with the belt, so WWE's hands were tied. Realistically, edge and the like weren't ready. Again, 2003 was arguably the most HHH-centric year in WWE, but that had more to do with HHH being the last Raw guy left from the Attitude era once Rock & Austin were gone, the nWo flopped, Hogan quit after his mania payday, and biker taker was on fumes. You could argue that the lengthy run in 2003 made it much more special in 3 straight WMs where HHH put over Benoit, Batista, and Cena. I just think 2003 was a bad year for Raw due to WWE focusing so much on Brock/Angle and building up SD! as an equal brand to Raw in the early days of the brand extension. Booker T is the only questionable decision from that period, and he simple wasn't that over (the time to push him was in 2001). HHH had to carry shit that whole year -- Steiner, Nash, Goldberg.
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Feels like Triple H breaks closer to even then people give him credit for. For all the shit he catches, he did make Batista, gave Cena arguably his most definitive win to date, and there have been instances where what he did was truly monumental (jobbing to Bryan, tapping to Benoit).

However, there are other times where, regardless of who's fault it is, he has been shoved into the main event and overstayed the welcome. The biggest run I can remember was from 03-04. He should have jobbed to Booker T at at Mania 19, and should have stepped down the card when Benoit finally won. Neither happened, and neither men ever met or surpassed the level of success they seemed on their way to during those respective runs.

The idea that he "made" Sheamus is laughable. He beat Sheamus, who was already booked as a fluke to that point, clean, at Mania, then loses the next month after pre match shenanigans, only to come back and write off the entire feud with a throwaway Pedigree. I don't really feel Sheamus ever got that one, definitive win over Triple H.

There were also other opportunities to give guys a rub that were missed completely. The most recent that I can recall being Curtis Axel. He slaps the kid down his rear, then dominates him in a match, only to have a few moves flare up his "concussion", with the match ending and Axel looking like schlub in winning by fluke.

Then there's my favorite. Randy Orton finally gains momentum going into Mania 25, hotter than he had ever been, only to job to Triple H at Mania, and never regaining that steam as a heel, and never really having that one defining victory. While Orton is to be blamed, as well as creative for being trigger happy, for his flopped push in 04, he was more than ready to win at Mania, and instead lost.

I also do not recall a legitimate, defining win for Jeff Hardy agains Triple H, either. Not saying it never happened, but the only thing I remember is a roll up victory.

Then again, he's essentially been a job machine the last few months, cleanly jobbing to DB and the Shield in consecutive PPV's, and more than likely jobbing to Roman Reigns at SS later this year.

So, like I said, good and bad. I think he's more innocent than not. He did have to carry schlubs like Goldberg, Steiner and Nash to matches nobody cared to see, while the better in ring talent was on SmackDown!, which is hard to blame him for. There were times were he should have stepped out of the way, but at the end of the day, especially recently, I think he's breaking about as close to even as a guy with his status, tenure and track record could.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:35 AM   #48
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Triple H has good workrate and that's all that matters. I hope he is found not guilty. Don't want him to go to jail.
Me, too. I vote Not Guilty because Triple H remaining in WWE as C.O.O. IS best for business. Triple H in jail = NOT best for business or anything else, just as Shisen KOTF being unfairly jailed for being anti-bullying would not be best for TPWW. I hope that bully of a prosecutor Juan doesn't persuade the jury to vote guilty on the charges before MY CLIENT, Shisen KOTF, who is the "1" in "USA#1", and who broke Juan's undefeated ForumMania bullying streak at ForumMania XXX.
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cornette summed him up best : the guy who works with the guy that draws the money.

HHH is just not entertaining. He doesn't draw sympathy as a face and as a heel, he is just boring. Nothing about him stands out.

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Old 07-09-2014, 03:40 PM   #50
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Sigh not guilty Triple H is guilty of a lot of things but in the end he has shown that he onlyt wants whats best even at the expense of personal glory.
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Old 07-10-2014, 05:31 AM   #51
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Me, too. I vote Not Guilty because Triple H remaining in WWE as C.O.O. IS best for business. Triple H in jail = NOT best for business or anything else, just as Shisrn KOTF being unfairly jailed for being anti-bullying would not be best for TPWW. I hope that bully of a prosecutor Juan doesn't persuade the jury to vote guilty on the charges before MY CLIENT, Shisen KOTF, who is the "1" in "USA#1", and who broke Juan's undefeated ForumMania bullying streak at ForumMania XXX.
What a stupid fuckin' post.
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Old 07-10-2014, 08:24 AM   #52
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The other day when I was thinking about how huge the Shield is now and the possibility of a Triple H vs Roman Reigns match I realized Triple H is in close proximity of a lot of huge things that happened in the WWE recently. Brock Lesnar finally returned to the WWE and there was Triple H. Daniel Bryan became huge and who was there to face him at WM? Triple H. The Shield blows up and Evolution comes back then Triple H pulls in Rollins and he might face Reigns. Batista became real big especially when he left Evolution and faced Triple H. Then you have the two matches with Undertaker. Also Orton became the youngest champ during his time in Evolution with Triple H. And of course there's the joining of the two belts with the Authority backing Orton.

Is he really lucky? Does he force himself into these opportune situations so he can share in the spotlight? Or is this what he does and what he's best at? As a talker I find him slightly boring and I never found much depth to him but I believe he plays a big part in these huge accomplishments.
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I have one charge his extraordinarily long-winded promos

Good god at one point I wasn't sure if I was supposed to hate Triple H or Paul Levesque.I understand a heel brags but jesus those opening promos went on for ever. The Rock even lampshades it.
It's not about quantity, it's about quality and love him or hate him, he's had some pretty epic promos on the mic over the years and is one of the top talkers I've ever seen and heard:


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What a stupid fuckin' post.
Aww, how adorable...Juan's partner in bullying showed up just in time to defend his friend's bullying ways.
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:57 PM   #54
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Feels like Triple H breaks closer to even then people give him credit for. For all the shit he catches, he did make Batista, gave Cena arguably his most definitive win to date, and there have been instances where what he did was truly monumental (jobbing to Bryan, tapping to Benoit).

However, there are other times where, regardless of who's fault it is, he has been shoved into the main event and overstayed the welcome. The biggest run I can remember was from 03-04. He should have jobbed to Booker T at at Mania 19, and should have stepped down the card when Benoit finally won. Neither happened, and neither men ever met or surpassed the level of success they seemed on their way to during those respective runs.

The idea that he "made" Sheamus is laughable. He beat Sheamus, who was already booked as a fluke to that point, clean, at Mania, then loses the next month after pre match shenanigans, only to come back and write off the entire feud with a throwaway Pedigree. I don't really feel Sheamus ever got that one, definitive win over Triple H.

There were also other opportunities to give guys a rub that were missed completely. The most recent that I can recall being Curtis Axel. He slaps the kid down his rear, then dominates him in a match, only to have a few moves flare up his "concussion", with the match ending and Axel looking like schlub in winning by fluke.

Then there's my favorite. Randy Orton finally gains momentum going into Mania 25, hotter than he had ever been, only to job to Triple H at Mania, and never regaining that steam as a heel, and never really having that one defining victory. While Orton is to be blamed, as well as creative for being trigger happy, for his flopped push in 04, he was more than ready to win at Mania, and instead lost.

I also do not recall a legitimate, defining win for Jeff Hardy agains Triple H, either. Not saying it never happened, but the only thing I remember is a roll up victory.

Then again, he's essentially been a job machine the last few months, cleanly jobbing to DB and the Shield in consecutive PPV's, and more than likely jobbing to Roman Reigns at SS later this year.

So, like I said, good and bad. I think he's more innocent than not. He did have to carry schlubs like Goldberg, Steiner and Nash to matches nobody cared to see, while the better in ring talent was on SmackDown!, which is hard to blame him for. There were times were he should have stepped out of the way, but at the end of the day, especially recently, I think he's breaking about as close to even as a guy with his status, tenure and track record could.
Stop using job so fucking much, you sound like a moron
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Old 07-10-2014, 05:38 PM   #55
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1.2% of the total post involved "job" or an inflection of job. Stop being a twat.
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Old 07-10-2014, 11:58 PM   #56
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Old 07-11-2014, 07:18 AM   #57
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Triple h is great -- during the mcmahon-helmsley era was amazing. I hated the guy, but wanted to see what they were gonna do next
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:24 AM   #58
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When's the last time you can recall HHH putting on a bad match? Dude is solid in the ring.
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This. I would go even further than solid, I think he is great in the ring and gets slack because he was too dominant for a while storyline wise and that put some people off.

Even people like Jericho (who could easily blame him for being "held down" in their feud), praises him multiple times in his book and obviously admires him...
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My work here is done. Goodbye, TPWW. I must now go to the WrestleCrap forums and cleanse them of their HHHate.
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The trial has been conducted! We read your feedback, and a judge, prosecution and defence debated Triple H for indecent overexposure and a one man conspiracy to manipulate the system to the detriment of the WWE. This show was a lot of fun, let us know what you think...

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well done!
the general consensus is now "HHH sucks but slightly less that I thought" - meh, still 4/10

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Old 07-12-2014, 09:38 AM   #63
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Old 07-12-2014, 11:34 AM   #64
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Old 07-12-2014, 11:57 AM   #65
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God awful show. I will never listen to this programme ever again.
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Old 07-12-2014, 12:12 PM   #66
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I heard exactly ZERO proof that HHH did anything to actively "bury" anyone.
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Old 07-12-2014, 12:33 PM   #67
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LMAO, I thought that might be your reaction.

Honestly, how would anybody prove it anyway, if somebody leaked a phone call onto YouTube? Shawn Michaels was on the phone with HHH and Vince and said it was H's idea to bury Bret. Jericho wrote in his book that he walked on HHH and Chyna burying him to Vince, does that not count? If not, then everything will always be based on the on-screen stuff with this subject, and to try and claim he had no impact on guys or made people that he really didnt is tough to argue.

But still, not based on real opinions, like it said. I don't know how much difference the guys he impacted would have really made, but they didnt argue that, they just went with straight denial.
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Old 07-12-2014, 12:53 PM   #68
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Cheap public defenders, they are.
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Old 07-12-2014, 12:55 PM   #69
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On a serious note, not bad. It wasn't as "smarky" as I thought it would be. Bret deserved to be screwed and Jericho admitted in his book that he had a bad attitude and some arrogance when he first debuted in WWF that rubbed many people the wrong way.
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Old 07-12-2014, 01:04 PM   #70
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Thank you very much, very appreciated. In many ways I really wish I got to be on the defence now, because I think it was certainly winnable. By the way, I want to know your thoughts, but given the arguments made, I thought we won the charge that we actually lost, and lost the one we actually won....
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Old 07-30-2014, 01:37 AM   #71
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Just listened to this. The reactions to James Steele's first reply here around 1:09:00 in were hilarious.
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:45 AM   #72
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Well I'm very glad you enjoyed it :-) Even if I don't hate Triple H, saying he helped make Sheamus is a step too far in defending him.

That, the Kamala joke and the Ahmed sentence were among the comedy highlights for me.
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Old 07-30-2014, 01:27 PM   #73
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