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Old 11-27-2014, 03:15 PM   #41
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You'd think he'd have her covered in his settlement if she's sticking around.
This is really the most plausible explanation. If he already took them to the cleaners with a lawsuit several months ago, and she's still there, I'd imagine there has to be some sort of provision like that.

It probably also doesn't hurt that it seems like she sells a shit ton of merchandise.
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Old 11-27-2014, 03:25 PM   #42
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yeah pretty much. I think the only kind of "criticism" you can maybe level at Punk throughout is that he very much has a "the world is against me"/takes things personally kind of attitude (like I doubt Triple H gives a fuck either way really as opposed to "never liking him") but at the same time that's probably the biggest reason/driving force behind him getting to where he did and accomplishing what he did etc
You're absolutely right about where his driving force comes from but it's also what created his connection with the crowd, at least in my opinion.

It wasn't just that he was speaking his mind and telling some "home truths", he was a guy never given his plaudits, never given the opportunity he thought he deserved, constantly passed over, and under paid. Surely I can't have been the only one that resonated with? It was a connection similar to what we had with Austin.
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I do find it hilarious that he left WWE for bad conditions where he was over-worked, underpaid, and not given the credit he feels he deserves, and then went to Marvel Comics, who have a history of doing the same thing. Although I don't think Stan Lee ever broke Jack Kirby's ribs or made Steve Ditko work with a staph infection.
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I do find it hilarious that he left WWE for bad conditions where he was over-worked, underpaid, and not given the credit he feels he deserves, and then went to Marvel Comics, who have a history of doing the same thing. Although I don't think Stan Lee ever broke Jack Kirby's ribs or made Steve Ditko work with a staph infection.
We don't know this though...
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You'd think he'd have her covered in his settlement if she's sticking around.
Covered for what though? I just mean it's an awkward situation backstage. However if they WERE to, as Narc said, saddle her with a tranny gimmick or something, it's not like there could be any provisions to prevent it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong; Staph is pretty contagious, more so in an environment where there's a lot of skin-to-skin contact and risk of open wounds. That doc was pretty neglectful.
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Covered for what though? I just mean it's an awkward situation backstage. However if they WERE to, as Narc said, saddle her with a tranny gimmick or something, it's not like there could be any provisions to prevent it.
He could have included a "reasonable creative control" clause for her - though Vince would be mad to do that knowing how the last one went!

More so, if they saddle her with a crappy gimmick she just follows Punk out of the door. WWE don't seem to be doing too well when it comes to their recent former employees (see Del Rio, Alberto).

I really don't know why she's stuck around. Her husband is at home now, she's somewhat of an after-thought to Total Divas, and the atmosphere can't be great.
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Old 11-27-2014, 04:42 PM   #50
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AJ has been consistently involved with the Divas title, consistently in actual storylines/feuds, and has had many PPV matches since her return. Total after-thought to Total Divas, yeah.
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:31 PM   #51
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You'd say up until this month where the two sides merged that Paige/AJ for the Divas Title hasn't been pushed out in favour of the stuff with Nikki/Brie & Steph?
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I also said "somewhat of an after-thought", not a "total after-thought".
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:53 PM   #53
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The medical stuff is horrible but doubt just firing the head doctor and/or medical staff will change anything. WWE would probably just replace them with a new set of "yes" men type doctors.

Orton supposedly dealt with something similar recently when he tried to get time off only for Vince refusing until it was getting really bad between the two. Think even Reigns hinted at WWE medical being horrible when he revealed his injury and why he didn't get real treatment.
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I would say so, yes.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:33 PM   #55
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The medical stuff is truly shocking and I'm surprised he hasn't sought malpractice or negligence against the doctor and WWE. The politics stuff is same ol' shit though. Interested in what the terms of his no-compete clause are. Jim Ross and CM Punk could get enough eyeballs to NJPW to jumpstart their push into North America.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:36 PM   #56
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I think he'll be back at some point. That carrot of him main eventing WrestleMania is obviously still a big deal to CM Punk. If they'd do it for Batista, Vince would easily do it for Punk and do whatever he needs to if Vince gets desperate for star power.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:36 PM   #57
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gotta think if he has any interest in wrestling again that New Japan would be top of the list
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:40 PM   #59
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I do not believe he has zero interest in wrestling again. WWE made him come to hate pro wrestling in the global corporation sense, but once those emotional wounds heal...he'll be back in the ring on some level. Does he still own the rights to the CM Punk name or did he sign it over to WWE ala Dudley Boys?
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:59 PM   #60
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I think he signed it over. But he could have had it signed back to him as part of this settlement.
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I think he'll be back at some point. That carrot of him main eventing WrestleMania is obviously still a big deal to CM Punk. If they'd do it for Batista, Vince would easily do it for Punk and do whatever he needs to if Vince gets desperate for star power.

I'm not so sure of this now.

I always figured his leaving had a lot to do with injuries & being burnt out more so than it had to with creative. The pot was obviously boiling for some point and the more you add to it, the more likely it will boil over. What we got from this interview was that the pot did boil over and he needed to get away. Now, maybe the way the whole situation was handled wasn't the best (God knows we know that from the Bret/Vince/HBK fiasco), but if there is something wrong health-wise, it should be taken care of immediately. Under assumption that what he said was 100% true, that doctor should lose his license.

The way I viewed it, it kinda sounded like Punk was probably going to come back at some point, but the whole wedding day thing says to me that HHH does not want Punk to ever wrestle for the company again. Therefore, I am confident that he will never be affiliated with the WWE again and if so, it will be a very very long time before it happens. Maybe a HOF induction in 20 years.
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Old 11-27-2014, 07:46 PM   #62
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If Bret Hart can come back to the company that he felt killed his brother, anybody can come back. I think AJ still pursuing her WWE career will have a lot to do with it also. He may swallow his pride to protect his wife and fulfill his ultimate dream.
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:08 PM   #63
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Probably not their best timing...
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The interview made it on TMZ, so I imagine that doctor's tenure may come to an abrupt end.
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It makes you wonder how many well-wishers and sympathisers he had backstage if people are going through the same kind of things daily...

I can see him back though, to see his career as a failure because of that one thing, it's a massive carrot. A part time schedule and the promise to headline Mania for the title after a Rumble win would mean a lot to a guy who loves and constantly pays tribute to tradition in wrestling.

I sympathise a lot more with him after reading this, some horrible stuff, but at the same time, I can't help but feel that he rates himself as much better than he is. 99.9% of wrestlers in the US would kill for the career he has had. To call it a failure is harsh and makes it seem like he sees himself as one of the best ever, which he wasn't.
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He is a lot like Shawn Michaels was in the 90s just without the cocaine and gay porn. His attitude is probably a large reason why he never got everything he wanted while Daniel Bryan did get his "Mania Moment" out of nowhere. Vince wasn't going to be held hostage by CM Punk. He was in breach of contract, so WWE just screwed themselves by dragging their feet in taking action against Punk for it. CM Punk was/is one of the best performers ever though.
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It's interesting hearing people say that, I personally never saw that or felt that with Punk.

When you look back at early WWF, Hogan and Warrior had reactions like no-one else, it was crazy. You had performers in the ring like Savage and Perfect who were just amazing athletes and their matches were so smooth.

Later you had Michaels and Hart. HBK speaks for himself, Hart has tarnished his legacy with the chip on his shoulder, but I always loved his matches and stories in the ring.

Then later you have the Attitude era, which was just stacked, Austin, Rock, Angle, HHH, Undertaker etc...

Then you have the likes of Flair and Sting to consider too.

Again, it might just be a question of personal taste, but I wouldn't put Punk on the same level as any of those guys. He was a great hand and put on some top matches, but I wouldn't class him as one of the best.
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It makes you wonder how many well-wishers and sympathisers he had backstage if people are going through the same kind of things daily...

I can see him back though, to see his career as a failure because of that one thing, it's a massive carrot. A part time schedule and the promise to headline Mania for the title after a Rumble win would mean a lot to a guy who loves and constantly pays tribute to tradition in wrestling.

I sympathise a lot more with him after reading this, some horrible stuff, but at the same time, I can't help but feel that he rates himself as much better than he is. 99.9% of wrestlers in the US would kill for the career he has had. To call it a failure is harsh and makes it seem like he sees himself as one of the best ever, which he wasn't.
The stuff about the Network and WWE doing their best to not tell anyone how bad it could affect their pay alone probably got a lot of sympathizers.

Dirtsheets had teased several times the locker room was getting really unhappy and how almost none of the top tier stars cared enough to question or complain about it. Something about top stars having safety nets in their deals to cover whatever the Network could potential take out.
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He is a lot like Shawn Michaels was in the 90s just without the cocaine and gay porn. His attitude is probably a large reason why he never got everything he wanted while Daniel Bryan did get his "Mania Moment" out of nowhere. Vince wasn't going to be held hostage by CM Punk. He was in breach of contract, so WWE just screwed themselves by dragging their feet in taking action against Punk for it. CM Punk was/is one of the best performers ever though.
Punk isn't remotely one of the best ever.
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Thoroughly entertained by the entire episode. And i'd like to think that a response from WWE to any of the issues raised would somehow confirm Punk's version of the truth. Of course, it doesn't need to be a statement. It could be Dr Amman's termination, punishment for any one on Team Punk, a well timed corporate campaign, a possible plug on any major news channels, anything.

Punk on Cabana's podcast is an excellent chess move. It'll NOT be seen as a shoot interview. It WILL gain traction. Some scribe out there will try and get 'the real picture' of WWE's health and fitness team. And while Punk wouldn't want to call it a 'pipebomb' anymore, this podcast will be remembered as one.

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The interview made it on TMZ, so I imagine that doctor's tenure may come to an abrupt end.
Maybe. He did save King's life though. It will probably be blamed on Punk's non-disclosure. It took AJ to get him off his ass to see a doctor about it.
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