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Old 12-19-2014, 02:27 PM   #41
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Maybe it's just racism?


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Old 12-19-2014, 02:29 PM   #42
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I'm sure Michael Hayes has a little something to do with it.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:30 PM   #43
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Sheamus is not an A-list player.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:31 PM   #44
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Sheamus is not an A-list player.
Did they not really try and push him as such, though? They tried.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:32 PM   #45
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I would watch Cesaro v. Sheamus all day, for the record.
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I'm sure Michael Hayes has a little something to do with it.
Michael Hayes seems to be a litlte racist, and a little bit sexist at times.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:34 PM   #47
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He's definitely missing a well developed character, which is no fault of his own as he's usually given horrible shit to work with. As it stands he is an ultra violent rugby playing patriotic American European yodeller who is actually really strong and likes Paul Heyman as a friend.
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He's definitely missing a well developed character, which is no fault of his own as he's usually given horrible shit to work with. As it stands he is an ultra violent rugby playing patriotic American European yodeller who is actually really strong and likes Paul Heyman as a friend.


Right.
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Sheamus was a Triple H project. Triple H is cool with accents. Vince is not.
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He's definitely missing a well developed character, which is no fault of his own as he's usually given horrible shit to work with. As it stands he is an ultra violent rugby playing patriotic American European yodeller who is actually really strong and likes Paul Heyman as a friend.
... and loves to play follow the leader after The Authority.

(thought I'd add that, since it's kinda relevant...)
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:38 PM   #52
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Sheamus was a Triple H project. Triple H is cool with accents. Vince is not.
Aren't Sheamus and HHH good buddies backstage?
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:39 PM   #53
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The Authority treated Cesaro like an annoying little kid brother who wanted to play with them, but they just kinda tussled his "hair" and sent him along his way.
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Have you seen West Side Story? That one dude's little sister in the Jets wanted to be in the gang, and they just kinda laughed at her. That was Cesaro to the Authority. They kept Joey Mercury around, though.
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Have you seen West Side Story? That one dude's little sister in the Jets wanted to be in the gang, and they just kinda laughed at her. That was Cesaro to the Authority. They kept Joey Mercury around, though.
And Jamie Noble...
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:50 PM   #56
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Well, Jamie Noble is a fucking badass. That makes sense.
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And Jamie Noble...
How dare you roll your eyes at JAMIE NOBLE BOY!!!!


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Old 12-19-2014, 05:02 PM   #58
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It depends on where you think he should be on the card.

What is he missing that is keeping him from being an upper card mainstay and a guy you can plug into a main event feud here and there? Halfway decent booking.

As far as being at the absolute top though, he just doesn't have the charisma, flashy personality, movie star looks and mainstream appeal to be there and his potential will always be a notch below guys who "represent" the company.
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Old 12-19-2014, 05:07 PM   #59
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The man is a fucking animal. The best in-ring performer in WWE today. All I keep hearing about is how he's missing that "one thing", though. I don't buy I. I feel like every time he has had a great amount of momentum, he's been given absolute garbage to work with for no reason. Even small things like taking away his first name and giving him the shittiest theme song of all time (when he already had a great one) makes me think that somebody just doesn't like him for some reason.

My theory aside, what do you think will really "fix" Cesaro? The man should be at the absolute top of the WWE food chain.

It was bound to happen you and I agree on another shitty theme
and this one might actually be worse than "Modest"
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It's bc they never let him have a finisher called The Swiss Cheese. It would be exactly like the Garvin Stomp only more Swiss.
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It depends on where you think he should be on the card.

What is he missing that is keeping him from being an upper card mainstay and a guy you can plug into a main event feud here and there? Halfway decent booking.

As far as being at the absolute top though, he just doesn't have the charisma, flashy personality, movie star looks and mainstream appeal to be there and his potential will always be a notch below guys who "represent" the company.
Roman Reigns only has one of those things but I guess that enough.
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Old 12-19-2014, 05:13 PM   #62
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He's just not good enough on the mic, and doesn't have a unique enough gimmick/look to get away with it.
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Roman Reigns only has one of those things but I guess that enough.
Reigns arguably has the last two. Which might be the most important ones to them. But I've got a feeling once they're forced to take the blinders off and recognize his lack of the other two, they're gonna be looking for a new star to make at WrestleMania 32.
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He's just not good enough on the mic, and doesn't have a unique enough gimmick/look to get away with it.
He is definitely better on the mic than Roman though, who they are sending to acting school basically... And honestly, I think Cesaro is more naturally charismatic than a lot of guys pushed ahead of him. Roman, Rollins, Ryback, etc, aren't as naturally charismatic. They sound really... awkward. But if you just listen to Cesaro actually talk, not on a mic, but just a normal conversation, the guy is charismatic as fuck
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I've completely given up on trying to figure out why certain guys have been stagnant. Can't really relate logic or reason to the WWE booking team.
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He is definitely better on the mic than Roman though, who they are sending to acting school basically... And honestly, I think Cesaro is more naturally charismatic than a lot of guys pushed ahead of him. Roman, Rollins, Ryback, etc, aren't as naturally charismatic. They sound really... awkward. But if you just listen to Cesaro actually talk, not on a mic, but just a normal conversation, the guy is charismatic as fuck
I've yet to see an even average interview from Cesaro. He sounds like a foreign guy reading from a book.
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I've yet to see an even average interview from Cesaro. He sounds like a foreign guy reading from a book.
He was pretty good in that video where he went around town just talking shit about everything. But even then, he didn't rock my socks or anything.

He could be great, but I do agree with others that he needs to improve a bit on the stick.
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it might help if they, you know, let him talk on raw/smackdown a bit more often so that he can improve.
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Reigns arguably has the last two. Which might be the most important ones to them. But I've got a feeling once they're forced to take the blinders off and recognize his lack of the other two, they're gonna be looking for a new star to make at WrestleMania 32.
I want to like Roman but shoving him in peoples faces when he really isn't ready is a dumb idea and fans (mostly male) are already starting to turn on him. A flying punch and a Spear can only be so entertaining, it's funny how many huge weaknesses being in the Shield helped cover up for him he was perfect in that group.


As for Cesaro the crowd loves him when he shows just how much of a beast he is and at several points they rallied behind him but I guess Vince and co were too busy drooling over Roman to capitalize I agree he needs work but he is miles ahead of the WWEs new golden boy.
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I didn't understand why he didn't have a payoff match when him and Sheamus were fueding over the United States Title back in the middle of the year. Even after Sheamus beat Cesaro at Payback, they still seemed to be fueding.

Then also the whole not being a Heyman guy anymore did piss me off.
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I think humanizing Reigns didn't help much either. He orginaly got over because he was just this unstoppable, angry wrecking machine, smashing people's faces.

But having him do all these sappy interviews via satellite have kind of hurt that image, imo.
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He is definitely better on the mic than Roman though, who they are sending to acting school basically... And honestly, I think Cesaro is more naturally charismatic than a lot of guys pushed ahead of him. Roman, Rollins, Ryback, etc, aren't as naturally charismatic. They sound really... awkward. But if you just listen to Cesaro actually talk, not on a mic, but just a normal conversation, the guy is charismatic as fuck
I think this gives us an interesting discussion on how you define charisma. I read this, and I know exactly what you mean, but I read this and I totally disagree with it.

Ryback has loads of charisma I think. He has an aura about him, it's a different type of charisma, but he definitely has it, and it gives him a presence that Cesaro doesn't have.

I also think Rollins is really charismatic, but again, in a different way. He carries himself in this cocky way, he has an arrogance which makes him a natural heel and he is convincing in his role. It is hard to define, an intangible. I think charisma is a lot more than the ability to talk. Take Ultimate Warrior for example, terrible promos, but you watched because he had charisma coming out of his ass. All he had was a look and charisma and it carried him far.

I really like Cesaro, he is a great worker, but he does come off as a bit boring. He doesn't have the presence of Ryback, and he doesn't carry himself like Rollins. It is a bit of a cop out, but he does seem to lack any edge or natural charisma, regardless of his mic work. People can point to the swing getting over, but could it have been the move more than Cesaro?
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Shit-talking your boss in public is never a great career move (see: Simmons, Bill)
True, but Roger Goddell isn't Bill Simmons's Boss. It's dirty that ESPN suspended Simmons for what he said. Cesaro and Simmons both told the truth. Simmons should never have been suspended for what he said on his podcast. Goddell is a fucking liar. He should be fired. He had the podcast before he ever was with ESPN. They wanted to grab his dick and jump on getting the show in their podcast offerings. They knew he was controversial when they signed him. They wouldn't even have podcasts without him.
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Not to totally derail this, but ESPN suspended him because he basically "called them out" on the podcast; he has said numerous things about Goodell since the suspension was over
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He is definitely better on the mic than Roman though, who they are sending to acting school basically... And honestly, I think Cesaro is more naturally charismatic than a lot of guys pushed ahead of him. Roman, Rollins, Ryback, etc, aren't as naturally charismatic. They sound really... awkward. But if you just listen to Cesaro actually talk, not on a mic, but just a normal conversation, the guy is charismatic as fuck
They need to stop writing promos and expect them to read the stuff verbatim, reading someone elses words will always come across awkwardly, give them bullet points and stress things that need to be mentioned and let the talent get the message across in their own voice and maybe catch fire organically.
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They need to stop writing promos and expect them to read the stuff verbatim, reading someone elses words will always come across awkwardly, give them bullet points and stress things that need to be mentioned and let the talent get the message across in their own voice and maybe catch fire organically.
Fuck yes, this needs to stop. Promos started being shit when they began writing them out for guys. Promos suddenly went from being something guys could use to make themselves a star to just a part of a character that's now up to some boring, shitty writers who use the same basic formula for everyone.
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Fuck yes, this needs to stop. Promos started being shit when they began writing them out for guys. Promos suddenly went from being something guys could use to make themselves a star to just a part of a character that's now up to some boring, shitty writers who use the same basic formula for everyone.
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"It was a Vince McMahon decision for Charlotte to lose and there was a feeling that if Triple H had his way, Charlotte would have went over. In the tag match, Charlotte was the one who would have scored the pinfall for her team. When it was changed to a singles match, Natalya reportedly asked to lose the match because she felt it was the right thing.Vince decided against it and Triple H sort of defended the move, bringing up the timing issues and saying that in six months when they bring Charlotte in again, people won't remember this happened."
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If there's a problem with Cesaro, it's that he's a wrestler first and everything else second, on a wrestling show whose Chairman doesn't want to be associated with wrestling. Vince McMahon wants superheroes and action figures, which is why he's still so intent on pushing a human piece of driftwood like Roman Reigns, even though he can barely string a whole sentence together.

Cesaro absolutely beasts people in the ring and the crowd loves him for it, but he can't (or isn't willing to) be made into some wacky, larger-than-life cartoon character-- try to imagine Cesaro doing the hot-dog cart attack schtick that Dean Ambrose was doing, or a segment of Cesaro doing John Cena's ha-ha-larious Photoshop Funnies or whatever. He's a guy who is so phenomenally good at wrestling that he keeps getting over with the crowd even though he's given nothing to work with, but the actual wrestling has never really been WWE's focus.

Dude should've stayed on NXT after the Sami Zayn feud and just been a god there. At least then he'd be on the show that everyone loves, instead of losing every match for like three months and having his employer publicly throw him under the bus on a podcast.
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