TPWW Forums  

Go Back   TPWW Forums > w r e s t l i n g > wrestling forum
Reload this Page Do we give the NWO storyline far too much credit/attention than it truly deserves?
Register Members List

Reply
Page 2 of 2 1 2
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-18-2015, 11:33 PM   #41
DAMN iNATOR
RIP SABU
 
DAMN iNATOR's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,580
DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DAMN iNATOR makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vastardikai View Post
Sting should have won cleanly, and that should have started the end of the nwo. No spin- offs. Want the Wolfpack? Have it,but without those 3 letters attached. And no Sting. Hogan can get the belt back, but Goldberg ends it permanently. Then go with new things from there, including a One-off Jericho feud that sets him up for at least a US title run. And you keep the guy around.
Yeah, but that theme, though!


So awesome!
DAMN iNATOR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2015, 03:06 AM   #42
Jazzy Foot
 
Jazzy Foot's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,216
Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan View Post
I agree. They kinda pissed away Goldberg's streak. DDP would have been a good choice to end it. Not so much Benoit.

I suggested Benoit because circa 1999 February WCW began to realise he was actually pretty good and highlights were him wrestling Bret in that tribute to Owen and an episode of Nitro when he dived from the top of the cage and hit Malenko. Then he got pushed although by the time they let him have the belt he was pretty much out of the door in fact gone the next night.


It would have been interesting to see Benoit the technical specialist and best technical wrestler in the WCW, against Goldberg one of most feared and dominant champions of all time on a long winning streak and both were fan favourites. Building that up to say a showdown at Starrcade 1999 would have been awesome and if Benoit had managed the win even more so.

Goldberg v DDP was a classic from HH, I spoke about that with DDP when I met him back at WM 31. We agreed it was akin to Cena v Bryan both at their prime and as shit hot fan favourites, both were the top faces and DDP claims it was one of the highlights of his career.

Anyway this is diverging from the topic. But there was plenty of scope to explore storylines beyond the NWO and whilst I'm keen to defend Nash's booking even to this day, in hindsight it was a bad move. I can understand wanting to revive/prolong the NWO given it's success for the best part of two years and how desperate they were that fateful night in January 1999 when they knew Foley was going to win the belt but boy what a clanger.

Ironically had they gone with Goldberg v Nash (preferably Goldberg recapturing the belt) they may well have won the ratings that night.
Jazzy Foot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2015, 06:30 PM   #43
Vastardikai
Taller than Adam Cole
 
Vastardikai's Avatar
 
Posts: 10,876
Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Only if they made no mention of Mick. The insult towards Mick pissed me off to the point I turned off Nitro.
Vastardikai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2015, 06:50 PM   #44
Jazzy Foot
 
Jazzy Foot's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,216
Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vastardikai View Post
Only if they made no mention of Mick. The insult towards Mick pissed me off to the point I turned off Nitro.
The reference was edited from the UK broadcast of Nitro if I remember correctly. When I look back on that night at the time I hugely excited as:

- As a Hogan mark I was gutted when he supposedly "retired" to run for President and I thought he would never wrestle again. So I was overjoyed when I heard he had returned. Though the storyline was a gimmick it was so convincing that even a UK daytime show GMTV ran an article claiming Hogan was running for President. To this day I'm still confused whether Hogan was genuinely serious or it was all a gimmick.

- I was sort of happy when the NWO reformed and Hogan was the champ again, I remember getting mad when Goldberg beat my idol back on Nitro.




The end of the NWO really was when Sting won at Starrcade and then Goldberg won the belt although I feel if they were so keen to have Goldberg battle the NWO again in 1999, they should have done this the first time around i.e. over 1998 and culminated with him beating Hogan at Starrcade 1998 but whether Hogan was keen to lose twice in succession at Starrcade is another matter.

Goldberg was seemingly "thrust" into the title picture just days before when after the streak become noticed amongst fans, they announced on Thunder Hogan would defend the belt on the following Nitro to Goldberg.

It was easily one of the best and most memorable episodes of Nitro but I agree with the critics they should have saved it for PPV but that really was WCW in a nutshell: a story of missed and wasted opportunities.
Jazzy Foot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2015, 09:49 PM   #45
Vastardikai
Taller than Adam Cole
 
Vastardikai's Avatar
 
Posts: 10,876
Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Vastardikai makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Trust me, that completely killed Nitro, they followed that with the Fingerpoke of DOOM,and it was the end of WCW as serious competition.
Vastardikai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2015, 10:41 PM   #46
Dukelorange
Embracing the deception..
 
Dukelorange's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,227
Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)
The nWo changed the game at that time. BUT hindsight is 20-20. Outside of the big 3. There wasn't anything anything much there. The angle ran too long and the booking was terrible.
Dukelorange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2015, 11:23 PM   #47
Jazzy Foot
 
Jazzy Foot's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,216
Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vastardikai View Post
Trust me, that completely killed Nitro, they followed that with the Fingerpoke of DOOM,and it was the end of WCW as serious competition.

I mean it was a memorable episode and in some respects entertaining to see Hogan lose the belt but it should have been saved for PPV and in line with a common note about Goldberg, none of his matches were anything more than squash matches other than his match against DDP.


I keep saying building a Benoit v Goldberg feud would have been awesome given the supposed differences between the two i.e. a technician vs brute strength but maybe that's because we are in a era of seeing skill e.g. Daniel Bryan, prevail over brutes like Orton or Batista etc. At the time WCW was all about the big name big guy so the thinking was and especially as the booker, Nash was the only person Goldberg had yet to face and beat and was one of only a few on the roster who could match up to him physically (the other probably being Paul Wight).

In that respect it was "realistic" to have him drop to Nash. DDP could have worked and Havoc was the right moment to do it but perhaps it was great they didn't in hindsight given the feed cut at the start of the match.

The streak was going to end sooner or later and when it did it was going to cause controversy but the fact it had to somehow feed into another repetitive NWO angle probably drew groans across the wrestling world and allowed McMahon game, set and match for the MNWs.
Jazzy Foot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2015, 11:30 PM   #48
Blonde Moment
It's all Bullshit
 
Blonde Moment's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,924
Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Blonde Moment makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercenary View Post
The main problem was to many member that were not important at all , and every week/PPV there was a run in. It got old fast.
Exactly, throw in the fact that the angle never went anywhere, never stopped and it just got tedious. Just one episode after another of wrestlers you enjoyed watching getting trashed by the NWO. I still think the issue with Hart wasn't that they didn't know what to do with him it was the fact that they were so preoccupied with the NWO and Bret just did not fit being apart of the NWO. The show by then was NWO and nothing else.
Blonde Moment is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2015, 11:48 PM   #49
Jazzy Foot
 
Jazzy Foot's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,216
Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)Jazzy Foot has a good deal of rep (10,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fastway View Post
Exactly, throw in the fact that the angle never went anywhere, never stopped and it just got tedious. Just one episode after another of wrestlers you enjoyed watching getting trashed by the NWO. I still think the issue with Hart wasn't that they didn't know what to do with him it was the fact that they were so preoccupied with the NWO and Bret just did not fit being apart of the NWO. The show by then was NWO and nothing else.

Hart was pretty much NWO right?
Jazzy Foot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2015, 11:22 PM   #50
Dukelorange
Embracing the deception..
 
Dukelorange's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,227
Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)Dukelorange is pretty cool (5,000+)
Then they couldn't keep a color scheme. Black & white, Red & black, black & silver, I thought they were Power Rangers.

Then the Nitro and Thunder versions of NWO.
Dukelorange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2015, 01:43 AM   #51
Fignuts
Hey Mister!
 
Fignuts's Avatar
 
Posts: 54,952
Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Fignuts makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzy Foot View Post
Hart was pretty much NWO right?
Not officially. WCW had no idea what to do with him and kept turning him back and forth. Should havejust stuck with having him feud with the nwo like they did from the beginning. Or if they really wanted to turn him heel have him usurp hogan as the new leader of the nwo, since as a heel, bret was on fire before his wwf departure.
Fignuts is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:19 PM.

Forums Home - TPWW - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin®