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Old 09-24-2016, 08:18 AM   #41
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He's not my favourite, but he's like top 5. I'd have a hard time arguing if someone placed him at #1 though.
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Old 09-24-2016, 08:45 AM   #42
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Dude would be interesting in some sort of creative capacity somewhere. People should be picking this guy's brain for whatever golden nuggets are in there.
Yeah him and Ivory should take over the booking for Evolve. Terry Funk might have dementia now, and Ivory hasn't been in the business for 10 years, but she won wrestler's court with Triple H. Imagine if they led a revolution with Kevin Owens as manager leading it!!!!

Stop with the "everyone that once wrestled would be interesting in creative!!!"

Terry Funk is in awful shape these days physically and mentally. What on Earth could he have to offer anyone.

Not everyone needs to be an agent or creative. It doesn't matter who takes the books. Unless it's actually reported on or a wrestler claims something on a shoot or podcast interview you wouldn't have a clue who was backstage doing what.
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Old 09-24-2016, 10:51 AM   #43
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Macho Man doesn't even make my top 10. He's highly over rated because people grew up on him.
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:28 AM   #44
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Watch Terry Funk vs Mick Foley from monday night raw in 1998 when Foley was an emotional wreck having failed as dude love. That is just one ridiculous match and Funk showed he could still go at about 50 plus years old.
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That was a good one. I remember loving the main event of the first ECW PPV. I remember he had two classic Three Way Elimination Matches With Shane Douglas and Sabu. The first in 94 went an hour. The 2nd was on some ECW PPV, can't remember which one at the moment although I'm thinking it was the 2nd one. His crazy barbed wire match with Sabu was another one that inspired American Death Match wrestling. He had a match with CM Punk at ROH Glory By Honor II that was highly underrated. Very story driven match. Funk sold the knee beautifully (or realistically) and Punk just targeted it the entire match. And you can't forget about his feud with Ric Flair either. That's just later year Funk too.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:02 PM   #46
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No, he hasnt drawn money save for maybe a 15 years period and thats generous. Though on a personal level i love his work.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:03 PM   #47
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At this point there are only 3 id even debate for the goat : Flair Hogan and Taker
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Taker only became a big U.S draw when he started wrestling just once a year
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If only there were a clear and concise criteria list for GOAT. Since there isn't, I'm gonna stick with Angle because he is good at everything.
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Angle is definitely good at everything
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Taker only became a big U.S draw when he started wrestling just once a year
the money generated from mania (with taker on the marquee for decades) easily rivals the other two. And you'd be hard pressed to present an argument thats says mania doesn't owe a lot of its gate to the streak. Regardless Funk is way in the rear of those three.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:34 PM   #52
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I have been convinced that HBK is the GOAT. He is a little under rated on he mic but could tell a great story with passion. In the ring I think we can all agree he would make each of us look like a million bucks, he could wreslte any style with anyone and had thhe creativity to make anything just a bit better.

As for Funk, I don't know, I wasn't around during his time and haven't seen enough of his work to really have an opinion. From what I have seen and from posted in this thread he was a brawler and crazy. His promos seem to be of the yelling kind which doesn't make them all that great. I would need to see a full length documentary on his career prior to forming an opinion.
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Taker only became a big U.S draw when he started wrestling just once a year
I'd say he was a Draw just not THE draw

Honestly I do not know how to classify Taker

His title reigns aren't that memorable (somehow)

He was always insanely popular(except that one time)

And he was a really good worker.

But yea he was never "the man"
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Macho Man doesn't even make my top 10. He's highly over rated because people grew up on him.
Really? He's not on my list of favorites but I wouldn't say he's overrated at all
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:03 PM   #55
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I put Undertaker in the Andre category, the attraction. Though his talent in the ring and as a character put him in the top 10 GOAT in my opinion. Funk with his work in Japan, and of course the NWA put him as a top 10 contender as well. If he had the same success in WWE I'd say he could be top 3 of all time. But the GOAT for me is HBK.
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How fucking good would Funk have been as Hogan's main antagonist for Wrestlemania 2 with the right push as a total madman who keeps beating top talent on his was to title contendership. And imagine that steel cage match with Funk instead of Brody.
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Lol Funk told Vince that "his horse was sick" and had to go.

That's how he left with WWF in 1986
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If you go to Funk based on that criteria, surely Dusty Rhodes should be considered too?

3 time NWA champ, maybe not as good in the ring, but so charismatic, rivals Funk on how influential he was and was probably more over and drew more money than Funk over the course of his career...

A possibility?
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Personally I would go for HBK, solely because he got me emotionally invested in his matches more than any other performer in history. Think that is the greatest measure of a professional wrestler.
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Yeah him and Ivory should take over the booking for Evolve. Terry Funk might have dementia now, and Ivory hasn't been in the business for 10 years, but she won wrestler's court with Triple H. Imagine if they led a revolution with Kevin Owens as manager leading it!!!!

Stop with the "everyone that once wrestled would be interesting in creative!!!"

Terry Funk is in awful shape these days physically and mentally. What on Earth could he have to offer anyone.

Not everyone needs to be an agent or creative. It doesn't matter who takes the books. Unless it's actually reported on or a wrestler claims something on a shoot or podcast interview you wouldn't have a clue who was backstage doing what.
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the money generated from mania (with taker on the marquee for decades) easily rivals the other two. And you'd be hard pressed to present an argument thats says mania doesn't owe a lot of its gate to the streak. Regardless Funk is way in the rear of those three.
I'm curious to the streak argument. I've never been a big fan of the streak, and I actually think it could have cost the WWE hypothetical gains due to how they booked WrestleMania around it, and how they would spotlight talent differently based on their WrestleMania record or who wanted the match with Taker.

There's no doubt he was a big attraction, but was he ever the attraction? Surely the John Cena match each year has always received as much, if not more attention? Triple H's Mania performances could probably be considered "draws" too.

It's a bit murky, and I'd like to hear more on your thoughts about it. I, personally, am really not big on Taker. Looking over his career, there have been large patches that are pretty bad overall. I respect the guy for lacing the boots for about as long as I've been alive and still being in better shape than I'll probably ever be, but I don't rank him up there in terms of GOAT. Iconic? Sure.
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If you go to Funk based on that criteria, surely Dusty Rhodes should be considered too?

3 time NWA champ, maybe not as good in the ring, but so charismatic, rivals Funk on how influential he was and was probably more over and drew more money than Funk over the course of his career...

A possibility?
Dusty was the fucking shits after 87
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Takers Wrestlemania matches were mainly semi-main events
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Old 09-24-2016, 08:04 PM   #66
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Didn't the Mania that Taker headlined and was the advertised main event of dip in buys? I know that's probably a cheap point to hold against him, but it's not like Taker has had to carry Mania or anything. I'd probably give him and Shane the credit for this year's Mania, although we're in a Network era, so who knows how many people watched it?
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You take away Lesnar, Punk, Hbk, Edge and HHH and none of Takers WM matches were really all that good or interesting.
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I'd argue that you don't even need to take Triple H's matches with Undertaker away.
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Then you're a fucking idiot still clinging onto 2003. All 3 matches are classics. How can anybody say those matches weren't good?
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The fact that there have been 3 means that there have been 2 too many.
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I remember Triple H tapping out after dropping the sledgehammer. I remember enjoying the match, but was more annoyed that they ran it in the first place. I've never been a major fan of either guy, but it felt like Barrett should have had the match after Nexus buried him at Survivor Series. The lack of continuity bothered me at the time. Triple H being insecure and wanting to prove he could do what Shawn Michaels couldn't was a good story, I guess, but no one really believes that Triple H is as good as Shawn Michaels anyway.
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In the Hell in a Cell, I remember Taker kicking out of the Sweet Chin Music/Pedigree as Shawn Michaels borderline wept. Eh, it all felt a bit thick for me. I'm sure the matches were "good," but they didn't get me invested on any sort of emotional level. My point wasn't that they weren't good anyway, I just don't rank them up there with the HBK matches, the Edge match, the Punk match, or even the Kane matches based on the emotion of them. You can leave the Triple H ones in there as perfectly watchable entries (although I've never, ever felt the need to go back and rewatch them as a courtesy to Undertaker, but still not be left with one of the greatest catalogs ever or anything.
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Then you're a fucking idiot still clinging onto 2003. All 3 matches are classics. How can anybody say those matches weren't good?
HHH trying to make himself a bigger deal than he actually was. Meanwhile, it was a step down for Taker.
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I enjoyed all the Triple H-Taker Mania matches quite a bit.
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The last HHH/Taker match was garbage.

Hell, it was the macth that setup me never caring about another Taker match.
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Nonsense, they were all classics. Did you not like it because it was taker/h holding the spotlight from younger talent from another year or? Because as much as I want them to breakthrough none of them could've pulled off what taker and h did either year.
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But anyways, back on topic, it would be cool if WWE helped Funk out since they know he's near his dying age. Hopefully they do this, and let him face Undertaker at Wrestlemania 33. They could call it "The battle of the dead men." or "The tombstone vs. The Spinning Toe Hold." Maybe a "Loser dies" type match or something.

I'd have it main event.
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Damn, was two pics of them looking very old, someone can delete that if necessary since it doesn't work.
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It's definitely down to age/when you started watching but I wouldn't have Funk in my Top 5.

I've not seen enough of his work, and the element of seeing it in its time is lost on me, same as with Flair and Dusty to a degree. I can understand why some might have him up there.
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