What's so great about Booker T?

[el fregadero]

He's black.

[OssMan]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott He may have been great at one time. That doesn't mean he's great now. He drew big crowds in the WCW. Does that mean he'd be good as the Champ on Smackdown or Raw? Not necessarily. He's a big name, I realize that. But Hogan was big for years, and look how good he was. You people who like Booker have got really bad taste.

The question was "did you even watch WCW?"

[Marc the Smark]

Yes, I did. Ya happy?

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by el fregadero He's black.

Shelton Benjamin's awesome.

[Stickman]

I liked BT at one time. When he was in Harlem Heat he was great. Maybe his first World Title reign. Other than that I agree with Scott. I thought he was alright until I bought a PPV that was in Vancouver (thankfully I didn't buy tickets to it). The pay per view sucked big time and then the main event came, it was between Booker T and Jeff Jarrett for the title. It must of been one of the worst matches ever. They played an angle where his knee hurt so all 20 minutes of the match JJ worked on the leg. It was boring as hell. Since then, even while in WCW, I haven't been a huge fan of him.

Now, Scott keeps talking about hime being slightly above average. I think the best person to compare him to is Edge.

That's all i have to say now.

[Wondermouse]

I think the best person to compare him to is Edge.

And Edge is a tag champ on Raw with the World champ, and looks as though he could be headlining a PPV any time now. And this is on RAW, who has Benoit, Trips, HBK, Jericho, Kane, Christian, and Orton.

Booker's on Smackdown. Who do they have? Eddie, Rey, RVD, Cena? And he's jobbing to UT, who could lose his next 100 matches and not lose any heat at all.

Eddie/Booker would be a helluva match. Not MOTY quality, but a hell of a match.

Tell me - who on smackdown, in the Midcard-Main Event status, is more deserving of him than a world title shot?

JBL, and his inability to wrestle? Cena, who panders to the crowd and puts on the same vanilla match every night?

[Nowhere Man]

The only real problem I see with Booker T is that he's a jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none. His mic work is decent, but pales in comparison to the better promo men out there (a la Rock, Jericho, Foley, Raven, Benoit ) His ring work is solid (superb back in his day), but nowhere near the level of your Benoits or Guerreros or Jerichos. His psychology is great, but when did that ever matter in WWE?

Most importantly, though, his character has gone to the shitter. People bought it when he was the underdog challenger going into Wrestlemania (I still think it's bullshit that Triple H got away with cutting a blatantly racist promo, then getting a clean pin), and he got massive pops when he was knocking around with Goldust, but what's he done recently? Whined and moped about being on Smackdown. Gotten murdered by the Undertaker in a lame "voodoo" angle. Lost his push to fucking BRADSHAW, of all people. All the while not really having any sort of direction. I just don't think Booker works very well as a heel.

I can see why a lot of people don't like him: he's got all aspects of wrestling covered solid, but doesn't really stick out in particular. Kinda sad, since the guy's a good overall worker.

[Nowhere Man]

Originally Posted by Stickman I liked BT at one time. When he was in Harlem Heat he was great. Maybe his first World Title reign. Other than that I agree with Scott. I thought he was alright until I bought a PPV that was in Vancouver (thankfully I didn't buy tickets to it). The pay per view sucked big time and then the main event came, it was between Booker T and Jeff Jarrett for the title. It must of been one of the worst matches ever. They played an angle where his knee hurt so all 20 minutes of the match JJ worked on the leg. It was boring as hell. Since then, even while in WCW, I haven't been a huge fan of him.

Oh, come on, you can't blame that on Booker. Jarrett's work has always been utter shit, no matter who he's paired against.

[OssMan]

[Wondermouse]

Booker's matches usually depend on who he's working with. That is, he's very easily carried, but incapable of being paired with a stiff.

[John la Rock]

The only matches I liked him in were his matches with Chris Benoit in the Best of 7 Series and his match against HHH at Wrestlemania XIX was good (not including the worst ending to a match I've ever seen)

[Batsu]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott He has a catch-phrase, so people assume he's a master on the mic. But when it comes to mic skills, he couldn't hold his own with someone like The Rock, or Austin, or Chris Jericho, or even Triple H. He's out of his element in that field.

Uhhh...compared to BT, HHH sucks on the mic, esp. when he's trying to play babyface. Does anyone not remember his days in DX, when he said wildly questionable things like:

"I'm bi-a lot of things, but bilingual is not one of them", and "testes? 1, 2, 3"... it was comical because it was so bad.

he can play the angsty heel to perfection, but outside of that, the H in Triple H stands for "horrendous".

Booker T is no Rock or Jericho, but HHH...I dunno if he matches up to them either.

Whoever said the best person to compare him to is Edge, is dead on. He does remind me a lot of Edge in several categories...RVD in others.

[diamondcutter]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man Oh, come on, you can't blame that on Booker. Jarrett's work has always been utter shit, no matter who he's paired against.

I find that odd, seeing is that alot of people still rave about their match at Bash at the Beach 2000---or maybe that was because they didn't have alot of time to go over the match.

As far as what's so great about Booker, I agree with those who say it's mostly a matter of poor storylines and injuries in his WWE career. I've always seen Booker T. as a black Chris Benoit---as in I like him mostly for his wrestling than his promos. He needs to change two things, though:

1. Stop using the spin-a-roonie after hitting a couple of big moves. It makes his character look stupid, as he could be going for the pin. He needs to go back to using it as a "kip-up" type move after an axe kick, or flapjack. Also, the spin-a-roonie was funny by the name alone back in WCW when Mark Madden used to say it, but Booker never even acknowledged it.

2. Get a new finisher. This might be the more difficult of the two changes, but the axe kick doesn't cut it as a finisher, IMO. No Bookend, either, since whether or not The Rock decides to be full-time, fans will always think of that move as the Rock Bottom. The Houston Hangover would be good to go back to, but I heard he actually hurt someone with that when he tried it in WWE.

[John la Rock]

Originally Posted by diamondcutter 1. Stop using the spin-a-roonie after hitting a couple of big moves. It makes his character look stupid, as he could be going for the pin. He needs to go back to using it as a "kip-up" type move after an axe kick, or flapjack. Also, the spin-a-roonie was funny by the name alone back in WCW when Mark Madden used to say it, but Booker never even acknowledged it. 2. Get a new finisher. This might be the more difficult of the two changes, but the axe kick doesn't cut it as a finisher, IMO. No Bookend, either, since whether or not The Rock decides to be full-time, fans will always think of that move as the Rock Bottom. The Houston Hangover would be good to go back to, but I heard he actually hurt someone with that when he tried it in WWE.

The WWE told him to stop using the Spin-A-Rooinie because it generated too much of a face reaction from the crowd. They want him to tease the Rooine and then not do it so the fans can boo him

I also agree that he needs a new finisher. The Axe Kick is crap, The Bookend is a cheap ripoff of The Rock Bottom, Houston Hangover would be good but it should only be used on special occasions (Wrestlemania). I remember in WCW he used a Missle Drop Kick (before he started to immitate The Rock) and it looked pretty sick

[Batsu]

I like The Bookend. I'm actually surprised they allowed Booker to keep it considering WWE's asinine "no two wrestlers with the same finisher" policy. Though, I think that should be a secondary finisher behind his familiar Axe Kick.

I dunno what else Booker could use for a finisher that WWE would allow, however.

[big_bluto]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse Tell me - who on smackdown, in the Midcard-Main Event status, is more deserving of him than a world title shot? JBL, and his inability to wrestle? Cena, who panders to the crowd and puts on the same vanilla match every night?

R V D

[Wondermouse]

Wouldn't mind RVD if he updates his offense a little and gets a good heel turn.

[big_bluto]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse Wouldn't mind RVD if he updates his offense a little and gets a good heel turn.

Yeah, he needs to do something move-wise to remind people that he's more bad-ass now (or should be)
Even doing the Van Daminator after the match on every opponent that he beats would be cool.
Aside from the moves, it's all ATTITUDE!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott People are saying he's above average ("above par"). I'm saying he's not. People have said he could be the man in the company. I'm saying he can't. And I've tried to explain my reasoning. No, he isn't The Rock. So he's not one of the greatest, but Booker's still not as good as people think he is. How is that hard to understand?

Then why did you come up with a list of the TOP PEOPLE IN THE BIZ to compare him to?

If I'm going to say a martial artist sucks, I'm not gonna compare him to Bruce Lee.

If I'm going to say a basketball player sucks, I won't compare him to the likes of Jordan.

If I'm gonna say that someone's stupid, I won't compare them to the likes of Einstein or Hawking.

Why, then, would you think that comparing Booker to the Rock and Kurt Angle would get your point across that he's not good?

You poorly illustrated your point at best.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott I could do that, but would it really help? People will just disagree, and shoot down my opinion. So why bother? Do you think Booker T's as good as, say, John Cena? Or Rey Mysterio? They're better than average. Booker T isn't. He just doesn't have it.

And I'm sure you don't think that Cena's been horribly bland of late.

Rey may be a better wrestler, but he sucks ass on the mic.

i've seen MIMES with better mic skills than Rey rey.

[Wildcat789]

Scott,

The problem with your statement about Booker T, is that you compared him to (quite possibly)some of the GREATEST of all time. At that standpoint, sure he's gonna look like shyte. Every wrestler would in that opinion.

How about we compare him to other guys on his position on the card?
Comparitively to these people-
JBL
RVD
Rey Rey
and any other high-midcard positioned wrestlers I forgot...

He looks like a wrestling GOD! Why your standpoint makes little sense is because any wrestler looks bad when compared to people who were practically legends in the game. Even EDDIE looks sub par compared to Rocky or even Austin, but we all know he isn't.

Don't bash the Bookman, he's given us some of the best stuff in the last few years, except for WMXIX. I say it's a great thing he's on Smackdown. He'll draw for the brand soon enough, and if they were to take the belt off Eddie and give it to the next most credible guy on SD, it would definately go to Booker.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Wildcat789 Scott, The problem with your statement about Booker T, is that you compared him to (quite possibly)some of the GREATEST of all time. At that standpoint, sure he's gonna look like shyte. Every wrestler would in that opinion. How about we compare him to other guys on his position on the card? Comparitively to these people- JBL RVD Rey Rey and any other high-midcard positioned wrestlers I forgot... He looks like a wrestling GOD! Why your standpoint makes little sense is because any wrestler looks bad when compared to people who were practically legends in the game. Even EDDIE looks sub par compared to Rocky or even Austin, but we all know he isn't. Don't bash the Bookman, he's given us some of the best stuff in the last few years, except for WMXIX. I say it's a great thing he's on Smackdown. He'll draw for the brand soon enough, and if they were to take the belt off Eddie and give it to the next most credible guy on SD, it would definately go to Booker.

indeed. You rock.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Why, then, would you think that comparing Booker to the Rock and Kurt Angle would get your point across that he's not good?

Ugh. I compared him to those guys because other people have. When Booker T first came into the company, there were fans who thought he should be the next Champ. In fact, I'd be willing to bet some people still feel that way, and maybe some of those people are reading this right now. What I'm saying is, he doesn't have what it takes. He doesn't have what it takes to be the next Rock, or Kurt Angle, or Steve Austin, the way some fans think he does. Why is that hard to understand???

I think he funny as Hell i wish Golddust was still with wwe they were a great tag team unlike him and RVD because RVD is better as a single then as a tag team partner

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott Ugh. I compared him to those guys because other people have. When Booker T first came into the company, there were fans who thought he should be the next Champ. In fact, I'd be willing to bet some people still feel that way, and maybe some of those people are reading this right now. What I'm saying is, he doesn't have what it takes. He doesn't have what it takes to be the next Rock, or Kurt Angle, or Steve Austin, the way some fans think he does. Why is that hard to understand???

well, thats a given. thats not making much of a statement. i say he doesnt have what it takes to be the next eddie guerrero.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by shock&awe well, thats a given. thats not making much of a statement. i say he doesnt have what it takes to be the next eddie guerrero.

Well that was my point. People have said he could be the next big Superstar. I'm saying that's bullshit. That's all I was trying to say. And yeah, he was big at one time, but that won't happen again.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott Ugh. I compared him to those guys because other people have. When Booker T first came into the company, there were fans who thought he should be the next Champ. In fact, I'd be willing to bet some people still feel that way, and maybe some of those people are reading this right now. What I'm saying is, he doesn't have what it takes. He doesn't have what it takes to be the next Rock, or Kurt Angle, or Steve Austin, the way some fans think he does. Why is that hard to understand???

He.

Doesn't.

Have.

To.

Be.

The Next.

Rock.

To Be.

A Champion.

Fuckwit.

Come on, the fucking BIG SHOW was a champ. Compared to him, Booker's God made flesh. You don't need to be the top star on a show to get a title. Considering the lack of main eventers on Raw, Booker should be a Godsend. How is that so hard to understand?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott Well that was my point. People have said he could be the next big Superstar. I'm saying that's bullshit. That's all I was trying to say. And yeah, he was big at one time, but that won't happen again.

It won't, because they seem to want to squash him.

He could be big. He's not the Rock, but Rocks and Angles are generally few and far between.

[Marc the Smark]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight He. Doesn't. Have. To. Be. The Next. Rock. To Be. A Champion. Fuckwit. Come on, the fucking BIG SHOW was a champ. Compared to him, Booker's God made flesh. You don't need to be the top star on a show to get a title. Considering the lack of main eventers on Raw, Booker should be a Godsend. How is that so hard to understand?

I'm gonna reply to your post, and then I'm finished talking to you until you can talk to me decently. If Booker T should be the Champion, then so should Spike Dudley. So should Steven Richards. So should Hardcore Holly. Can Booker be the Champion? Well you're right, anyone can. But that doesn't mean he'd be good at it. People have said he's as good as the best. I'm saying he's not. "Fuckwit."

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott I'm gonna reply to your post, and then I'm finished talking to you until you can talk to me decently. If Booker T should be the Champion, then so should Spike Dudley. So should Steven Richards. So should Hardcore Holly. Can Booker be the Champion? Well you're right, anyone can. But that doesn't mean he'd be good at it. People have said he's as good as the best. I'm saying he's not. "Fuckwit."

Booker is better than Holly, better than Spike, and better than Richards (though Richards is pretty good), you fail again to make a good point and look even worse.

[Marc the Smark]

I'll try again...

People have said Booker can be as big as The Rock. I'm saying he can't. Get it?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott I'm gonna reply to your post, and then I'm finished talking to you until you can talk to me decently. If Booker T should be the Champion, then so should Spike Dudley. So should Steven Richards. So should Hardcore Holly. Can Booker be the Champion? Well you're right, anyone can. But that doesn't mean he'd be good at it. People have said he's as good as the best. I'm saying he's not. "Fuckwit."

Comparing Booker T to Spike Dudley. Yeah. good call. while we're at it, let's compare brock Lesnar's wrestling skills to Steven Hawking's...

How many people have actually said that Booker was as good as Kurt or Rocky? You're arguing against a point I have RARELY seen even hinted at, which makes it hard for me to take your argument seriously, especially since you're arguing with statements that aren't relaly relavent to things you supposedly are "trying to say."

And if Triple H can be champion, it's hard to go complaining about how Booker wouldn't be a good one.

(If you want to be addressed like a normal, intelligent person, don't act like a retard...)

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott I'll try again... People have said Booker can be as big as The Rock. I'm saying he can't. Get it?

And that has what to do with Spike dudley as Champion?

If you can't stick to your own argument, stop acting like it's EVERYONE ELSE who doesn't get it.

[Gone Mad]

Booker T honestly became "great" over time. He started like a couple of main eventers start: in a successful tag-team. He seemed to be the better of the two so he was noticed more. And over time, he got to main-event many WCW shows because as the fans noticed,he was good. But of course, if you compare him to some of the WWE main guys, he will be seen as average. But in any case, he is a great athelete and at times, becomes a likable character with the only fault is his mic skills and the injuries that slowed him abit. That and his now limited move set.

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott I'll try again... People have said Booker can be as big as The Rock. I'm saying he can't. Get it?

I've never seen anyone say that myself.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily I've never seen anyone say that myself.

The voices in his head are arguing that.

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight The voices in his head are arguing that.

Ahh so it all becomes clear.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily Ahh so it all becomes clear.

Yeah. He forgot his meds today.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott Is it the Spin-a-roonie? His average charisma? His average mic skills? That's all he is. Average. Yeah, he was a 5 Time Champion in the WCW. Didn't David Arquette win the title there too? Didn't Scott Steiner? So what's the big deal? What's so great about Booker T?

The post that started it all.

Note he didn't say anything about him being the next Rock/Angle, he didn't complain about how he was stacked against the best, he just talked about how average Booker is.

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott He has a catch-phrase, so people assume he's a master on the mic. But when it comes to mic skills, he couldn't hold his own with someone like The Rock, or Austin, or Chris Jericho, or even Triple H. He's out of his element in that field.

Next, he goes into how he's not the Rock or Austin.

Well, he still hasn't brought up how people are claiming that Booker is the next Rocky.

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott No, I'm saying Booker T and The Rock (or Austin, Jericho, or Triple H) aren't even in the same league. I'm saying Booker T isn't as good as those guys, and never will be, and trying to figure out why people think he is.

22 posts.

It takes 22 posts for him to get even close to what he claims he's trying to say. Now, this is the first indication that people might think Booker's the next Rock. On the other hand, since he's made no solid indication that it's even been said by anyone before, it's really hard to draw his conclusions.

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott People are saying he's above average ("above par"). I'm saying he's not.

A statement he's evidently trying to distance himself from. You know, since every time people bring up this sort of thing, he goes back to his other statement...

Originally Posted by Red Hot Scott People have said he could be the man in the company. I'm saying he can't. And I've tried to explain my reasoning. No, he isn't The Rock. So he's not one of the greatest, but Booker's still not as good as people think he is. How is that hard to understand?

David Copperfield couldn't have pulled this argument out of thin air so seemlessly.

How hard is it to understand? The fact that it wasn't part of your argument until the 32nd post might be a part of that, retard.

Don't blame other people if you cannot successfully explain yourself in your first dozen tries. You're suddenly making a case that simply wasn't your case before, and getting pissed because people don't "get" a point you haven't explained until after the post you'r getting so moody over. I dunno. The moral of this story is that, no matter what my posts in this thread look like, I was arguing that Aliens exist and are operating from a secret base on the moon to control our minds...And if you didn't get thatfrom my statements about Booker T not needing to be the rock to be good, you're obviously a morn.

[CBright7831]

Booker T

The Resume
(March 1, 1965- )
Wrestles for WWE/WCW
Birth name was Booker Huffman
WCW U.S. Champion
WWE Tag Team Champion
WWE Intercontinental Champion
Joined the WWE (then WWF) in June 2001

Why he might be annoying:
As a teen he to beat up people.
He was arrested.
His finishing move is called the spin-a-rooni.
He still break dances (the '80s are over).
He did poorly on the Weakest Link.
He has tattoos.
He use to wear a gold tooth.

Why he might not be annoying
He really loves kids.
When he quits wrestling he wants to be a motivation speaker for kids.

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