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Old 05-22-2018, 02:36 PM   #1
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Well kind of. The matches aren't good because there's no heat and it's the same exact match every week.

Needs to be complemented with compelling storylines.
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:40 PM   #2
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at the end of the day though I'm pretty sure the worst ideas are Vince's lol
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:43 PM   #3
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I'm sure an actual GOOD t.v. writer (ie. not a fucking comedian) could be good for WWE.

Like I'm sure if you gave the head writer job of the WWE to the writer of The Wire it'd be pretty decent or at least interesting. But I'm sorry, as much as Patrice O'neal was a hilarious fucking guy, I don't need him booking my favourite wresters lol
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Old 05-22-2018, 04:54 PM   #4
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I'm sure an actual GOOD t.v. writer (ie. not a fucking comedian) could be good for WWE.

Like I'm sure if you gave the head writer job of the WWE to the writer of The Wire it'd be pretty decent or at least interesting. But I'm sorry, as much as Patrice O'neal was a hilarious fucking guy, I don't need him booking my favourite wresters lol
Based on stories from former writers, a lot of that is due to Vince's crazy habits in Creative especially with him constantly changing things. Every time they do manage to hire decent writers, they never last long in the company because of this and work attrition.

Even worse whenever they hire continuity editor since they last a lot less on the job than the writers do.
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Old 05-22-2018, 03:30 PM   #5
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I dont want storylines, I want engaging workers. I never gave a fuck what Brody or Hansen were doing angle wise. they carried themselves in a way that I couldn't look away. I want big tough guys that work in a way that is believable.
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Old 05-22-2018, 03:36 PM   #6
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I dont want storylines, I want engaging workers. I never gave a fuck what Brody or Hansen were doing angle wise. they carried themselves in a way that I couldn't look away. I want big tough guys that work in a way that is believable.
This in itself organically creates storylines IMO
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I'm all for comedy acts or segments, if they're 1. not overly done or relied upon, 2. actually funny, and more importantly 3. aren't essentially a pro wrestling parody and/or don't shit on the product with pretty blatant hints of "we all know this is fake bullshit" by the talent and the announcers. Today, WWE does all of this poorly with its "comedy".
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Old 05-22-2018, 04:27 PM   #8
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Wrestlemania well on its way to lasting 12 hours and finishing up around 3am
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Remember when the In Your House PPVs were every month and only 2 hours?
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A few years ago I would have been in this thread complaining, but have just lost the will now. Apathy has set in. I don't watch anymore and have moved on.

It's now fully a kids show with the same formula every week.

In days gone by, New Day would have been split ages ago, as it is beyond stale, but the kids keep buying the wacky merch, so it just keeps going and going.

TV isn't as important as it was, just produce mindnumbing content, and lots of it, that will keep kids buying your crap, and call it a day.
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Old 05-22-2018, 05:46 PM   #11
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A few years ago I would have been in this thread complaining, but have just lost the will now. Apathy has set in. I don't watch anymore and have moved on.

It's now fully a kids show with the same formula every week.

In days gone by, New Day would have been split ages ago, as it is beyond stale, but the kids keep buying the wacky merch, so it just keeps going and going.

TV isn't as important as it was, just produce mindnumbing content, and lots of it, that will keep kids buying your crap, and call it a day.
Kind of like how every episode of Pokemon would have Ash encounter someone on his travels and learn a moral lesson, while Team Rocket attacks, gives the same promo, and then does the job.
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Kind of like how every episode of Pokemon would have Ash encounter someone on his travels and learn a moral lesson, while Team Rocket attacks, gives the same promo, and then does the job.

Exactly like this, was gonna use Power Rangers, but Pokémon is more apt..
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yeah that would hurt the network losing the big 4. wrestlemania month is the only time I buy the network.
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This in itself organically creates storylines IMO
Plus the in-ring action is supposed to tell a story.

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That's big. More viewers.
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Plus the in-ring action is supposed to tell a story.



That's big. More viewers.
Theres no fn way FOX or any other network is going to broadcast 5 hours of Wrestlemania or any of the other big ppvs.
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Theres no fn way FOX or any other network is going to broadcast 5 hours of Wrestlemania or any of the other big ppvs.
I don't know about that, networks are all about live programing as it leads to less DVR use. Not going to say entirely because I DVR Raw and Smackdown and watch later but I won't DVR NFL, MLB or NASCAR. If networks see WWE programing falling in line with live sporting events then I could see them getting a big deal out this.
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Theres no fn way FOX or any other network is going to broadcast 5 hours of Wrestlemania or any of the other big ppvs.
WWE would either need Mania to air even earlier in the day or have a mid-show break for local news stuff.

The Superbowl can get away with it since FOX only hosts it once every 3 years and FOX can just push it to 11PM if needed like others do unlike Mania which doesn't end till well after 11PM now.
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WWE would either need Mania to air even earlier in the day or have a mid-show break for local news stuff.

The Superbowl can get away with it since FOX only hosts it once every 3 years and FOX can just push it to 11PM if needed like others do unlike Mania which doesn't end till well after 11PM now.
part of mania could be on fs1 then do the prime 4 hours on main fox
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Okay, I was thinking about mentioning this as its something I was sort of thinking about when bored the other day, but it's actually come up, so that's cool:

I was actually thinking that it would benefit the WWE with these television deals to make use of the network access. SmackDown is going to one, but doing things like Saturday Night's Main Event was back in the day could be a great way to get people in that just wouldn't check out other WWE things, or not have the chance to.

This got me thinking that instead of doing SNME, they should just put Survivor Series on NBC or something. In my perfect little fantasy scenario, they got Shawn Michaels to come out of retirement and wrestle Samoa Joe on it as something landmark and special, but whatever. It'd be interesting to know what a major show would get on NBC or something like that.

I didn't think they would do it with all the major shows, but I think their PPVs that aren't really PPVs and don't have that intrinsic value would be more useful pimped out to networks. I still think the Royal Rumble, WrestleMania and probably SummerSlam should be traditional PPVs, or things that you need to purchase through the Network at least, but building up free-to-air TV specials that people give a shit about (hopefully) could be a great tool.

It also forces you to work within timing parameters again, which is a skill you don't really want to lose as a company, and creates shows that are going to be a lot more digestible as your WWE Network Specials continue to suck wind and kill crowds.
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Okay, I was thinking about mentioning this as its something I was sort of thinking about when bored the other day, but it's actually come up, so that's cool:

I was actually thinking that it would benefit the WWE with these television deals to make use of the network access. SmackDown is going to one, but doing things like Saturday Night's Main Event was back in the day could be a great way to get people in that just wouldn't check out other WWE things, or not have the chance to.

This got me thinking that instead of doing SNME, they should just put Survivor Series on NBC or something. In my perfect little fantasy scenario, they got Shawn Michaels to come out of retirement and wrestle Samoa Joe on it as something landmark and special, but whatever. It'd be interesting to know what a major show would get on NBC or something like that.

I didn't think they would do it with all the major shows, but I think their PPVs that aren't really PPVs and don't have that intrinsic value would be more useful pimped out to networks. I still think the Royal Rumble, WrestleMania and probably SummerSlam should be traditional PPVs, or things that you need to purchase through the Network at least, but building up free-to-air TV specials that people give a shit about (hopefully) could be a great tool.

It also forces you to work within timing parameters again, which is a skill you don't really want to lose as a company, and creates shows that are going to be a lot more digestible as your WWE Network Specials continue to suck wind and kill crowds.
Ace scenario! Making RR, WM and SS available through the Network is a good idea as people will definitely subscribe for those shows. I think WWE will learn how to maximize their time w/ these new deals.
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Really donut want commercials in the middle of the Royal Rumble match or WrestleMania matches
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Old 05-23-2018, 12:29 AM   #24
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Really donut want commercials in the middle of the Royal Rumble match or WrestleMania matches
Not like PPVs don't already have commercials, they'd either expand the time given for that or do the side by side that they do for Raw and Smackdown.
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longer Roman Reigns matches
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:53 PM   #26
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More Roman Reigns. More commercials. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
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The first thought that ran through my head when I read this was "What the fuck for?"

Then I scroll into the second page and read Slik's tweet that WWE has a "high demand for the programming". And I then thought "Really?".

What's the high demand when the product for roughly the last year has for the most part sucked?
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Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, Money in the Bank and SummerSlam could be prestige-tier shows; Fastlane (to boost interest heading into WrestleMania), Backlash (to play on interest coming out of WrestleMania), No Mercy (September) and Survivor Series could be NBC/FOX specials.
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It's so odd how the company has slid into what it is content-wise now. It feels like we've had the same thing for a long time, but when you look at what WWE is now to what it was, the difference is jarring. It's just...a fucked presentation, haha.

I used to think of Vince as a promo guy, but no one talks really well anymore. Everyone has a script and they just stand around and try and sound witty and eloquent without offending anyone. It's like...where are the balls in these promos? Vince always seemed like a guy who was all about the presentation of people as stars and these star personalities, but now he's almost phobic of anyone with genuine charisma.

The work in the ring is so fucking gentrified. It's one of my least favorite aspects of wrestling today. Everyone does the exact match, they just have different "trademark moves" that you just slot into the position. They really do wrestle like video game characters that have been programmed to all have a few specials. It's so fucking gross, and I object to the suggestion you occasionally hear that the work is better now than it's ever been, because the matches are longer and there are lots of great wrestlers on the roster. None of them can hold my attention because their work isn't organic and structured to make me believe in them or invest any emotion. They aren't working properly.

The promos suck, the ring work sucks, the personalities suck, the presentation is this bright pinwheel of slogans and gloss. I just want the work back in the WWE, with some genuine stars who talk shit and wrestle like they're in something that's actually competitve, instead of the socialist compound that wrestling has become. I want the politics and the backstage shoot for position to come back, because that at least made something about the business real. That the top guy had a spot they wanted to protect instead of petitioning for Zack Ryder to get a token run with a belt.

The business has got no balls to it anymore. No one means it and the only people that are getting into it are geek marks that kind of perpetuate the tropes that get in the way, because we're all so used to them. No one tries to work anymore, and weirdly enough people think that working is "bad" and disrespectful to fans or whatever. People have forgotten what the goal of this is, and why that makes the business so fascinating.
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I'm all about the big 4 having extended times and the PPV's with gimmicks being longer. But you aren't selling me on the importance of having Great Balls of Fire run for 4 hours especially when Brock isn't even defending his title at sub big 4 ppv's
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According to PWI, WWE confirmed the start time for PPVs will now be pushed back an hour although all events being 4 hours won't be the standard, at least for now. They just want to leave enough wiggle room to be able to go well over the 3 hour limit for events going forward.

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WWE sources have confirmed with PWInsider.com that beginning with the 6/17 Money in the Bank PPV, all PPVs will commence at 7 PM Eastern with a Kickoff show prior to the event.

We are told that this doesn't necessarily mean all PPVs will be timed to run four hours exactly. It is most likely that the shows will run in the area of three hours to three and a half hours, although the company will have the ability to go longer or shorter as needed.

As we wrote a few days ago, major franchise events like Wrestlemania and Summerslam will obviously go much longer than the three hour-plus window.
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On the note of WWE putting the big four on Network TV...

Obviously a golden idea for WWE but not for me. I like having control over the show, I really like WWE Network and streaming/casting on the service is really easy and high quality. Sure the shows are already filled with commercials but they come only when breaks are happening. I dunno, it would be a change that makes me uncomfortable.
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I can't fathom watching something for 4 hours every month. I still haven't watched Wrestlemania because it's so ridiculously long.
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