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Old 06-27-2019, 01:56 PM   #1
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I do think this kills the wild card nonsense, but I think it would be wise to let Easy E and Uncle Paul discuss who they want on their shows and then make switches.

As it stands I can't see Bischoff using say, Sonya Deville or Ember Moon well - but I could see Heyman doing so. Could see Heyman giving Drew more of a personality as well.
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Eric Bischoff will be soaking this all up like it was his master plan from the start back in 1993.

Maybe it was. He's had his tongue down Prime Steph McMahon's throat, he had a pretty long run as a talent and now look. All he had to do was wait for Vince to go as insane as the old men he put out of business back in the 80's.

Everything's coming up Bischoff
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Eric Bischoff will be soaking this all up like it was his master plan from the start back in 1993.

Maybe it was. He's had his tongue down Prime Steph McMahon's throat, he had a pretty long run as a talent and now look. All he had to do was wait for Vince to go as insane as the old men he put out of business back in the 80's.

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Stephanie MOST LIKELY had sex with Bischoff, the kids are probably his.
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Stephanie MOST LIKELY had sex with Bischoff, the kids are probably his.

The Bisch.

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Going to be interesting in five years when WWE has continued to drop in eyeballs and attendance to the point they really only exist as a 1 hr 'from the vault' show on Fox Sports and a company that does two tours a year in Saudi Arabia after Vince sells the joint because the XFL flops, SD flops on FOX (note, I predict it will do ok for a few months before tanking) and Stock eventually plummets for a multitude of reasons.
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Of course, the opposite of all that could happen too.

IDK, guess we'll see what the future holds
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I dunno what theyre doing to increase they gate but they should be very concerned. Granted for the first time ever the gate isnt paying the bills but thats a huge revenue stream to have hemorrhage like that.
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I dunno what theyre doing to increase they gate but they should be very concerned. Granted for the first time ever the gate isnt paying the bills but thats a huge revenue stream to have hemorrhage like that.
Case in point on how they can ruin an upside - remember how they were pushing the network at the exclusion of the PPV market? They not only actively and repeatedly told the audience they were dummies for doing the thing they always did for access to the monthly big show, but got themselves locked into the $10 price point when they could've asked for a bit more just from the strength of those PPVs. As they were, I mean. Now, since the PPVs on average are kinda "meh", the value proposition isn't as high.

Speaking of value, I wonder how much tix are anymore? That might also be compounding the problem. You present fans with a conundrum: spend an estimated $50 or so to go to a house show full of people your weekly TV tells me aren't worth watching for free or browse anything that might strike my fancy on demand for $10 in that month?
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Case in point on how they can ruin an upside - remember how they were pushing the network at the exclusion of the PPV market? They not only actively and repeatedly told the audience they were dummies for doing the thing they always did for access to the monthly big show, but got themselves locked into the $10 price point when they could've asked for a bit more just from the strength of those PPVs. As they were, I mean. Now, since the PPVs on average are kinda "meh", the value proposition isn't as high.

Speaking of value, I wonder how much tix are anymore? That might also be compounding the problem. You present fans with a conundrum: spend an estimated $50 or so to go to a house show full of people your weekly TV tells me aren't worth watching for free or browse anything that might strike my fancy on demand for $10 in that month?
Both great points. I think the network price out of the gate could have been higher, but they also had that weird 6 month commitment for the first 10 months or so.

The ticket prices are in my mind way too high, and they run too many shows.

It's a multi billion dollar company, and Vince is still running 5 to 6 house shows a week to grind out a few extra thousand dollars. He is one greedy sob.
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I think they've got to lower ticket prices.

I don't know what they pay to rent buildings but ticket prices have gone up considerably the last few years it seems. I think lower prices would help attract people who want to bring their kids to a show, more parents/kids = more butts in seats.
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Heyman was never going to AEW unless Brock did. Bischoff maybe, but that's a giant maybe.

Heyman thinks outside the box and is creative.

Bischoff understands story structure and continuity better than just about anybody in wrestling.

Vince overseeing them is the problem. If he shoots down all of their ideas then what is the point?

If he lets them have creative freedom, both shows will improve greatly.

Also wildcard rule has to end immediately.
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I don't want a heel authority figure because it's a very played out trope but I still think Bischoff was the best GM they've had. He's a really great on-screen performer.
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I don't know if AEW would of signed these guys anyway to be honest. maybe Heyman to act as a consultant, but i think the AEW guys are fine on their own. But it is funny seeing the WWE keep on going to the well to make something work. We've had the 24/7 title, Taker/Golderberg and now this announcement recently.


I don't really see these two helping at all. Vince is still running the show and his creative has been pretty shit for a while and he doesn't seem to want to change. They're still a billion dollar company though so i guess why would he? he probably doesn't give a fuck about Monday Night Raw or Tuesday Night Smackdown anymore
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Paul Heyman has been involved with creative for a long time and it's fucking sucked. Bischoff has exposed himself as a hack time and time again. This is going to be pretty funny. Guess they have to do something.
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Honestly, I'm not sure and I wouldn't want to be in that position at all. I think it's way too messy and you probably couldn't pay me enough to want to take on the stress of working with Vince. I'd take a much lower-paid but possible job somewhere else.
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Honestly, I'm not sure and I wouldn't want to be in that position at all. I think it's way too messy and you probably couldn't pay me enough to want to take on the stress of working with Vince. I'd take a much lower-paid but possible job somewhere else.
Let me ask the question in a different way:

If these two guys arent the guys who you think are fit for the job then who is more qualified then them?
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Let me ask the question in a different way:

If these two guys arent the guys who you think are fit for the job then who is more qualified then them?
I'm honestly not sure. It's not that I don't think either has the qualifications, but I'm not sure either is the right guy to pull WWE out of its spiral.
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I don’t think Seth as a main eventer is a bad thing in theory. Just give him interesting people to work with. Aka not following up a fun match win AJ with throwing him into a multi-PPV program with Baron fucking Corbin.
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Seth is a good rassler and a boring face character

Maybe Paul can spice him and Drew up IDK
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Old 06-28-2019, 12:02 AM   #27
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Seth is a good rassler and a boring face character

Maybe Paul can spice him and Drew up IDK
Hope it doesn't end up being a reverse Smackdown Six situation, where RAW gets better over time, but then any "new" talent that gets a decent push and proper exposure get shifted to Smackdown in a bid to appease FOX instead of just building their own damn show.
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We are told that they will be overseeing all aspects of their individual series, answering directly to Vince McMahon. They are now the top of the pyramid, respectively, for Raw and Smackdown but obviously McMahon will always have the last say. One WWE source compared their roles to Paul Levesque's in NXT in that they will be in charge, but it's still Vince's company.
Probably the most important part of PWI's report.

Everything hings on how Vince is going to act once things start going into motion. If this plan is actually modeled after NXT, then it has a very good chance of succeeding.

If not, then they will eventually just become like Bruce Prichard, who has been very ineffective as the top guy in Creative and as the mediator or "voice of Vince" to Creative.
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Probably the most important part of PWI's report.

Everything hings on how Vince is going to act once things start going into motion. If this plan is actually modeled after NXT, then it has a very good chance of succeeding.

If not, then they will eventually just become like Bruce Prichard, who has been very ineffective as the top guy in Creative and as the mediator or "voice of Vince" to Creative.
Exactly this. In a perfect world Vince fucks off to the XFL and lets them run the brands separately and completely different.

I would let Smackdown have the bigger stars, since Bischoff will give their characters actual story arcs.

I would let Raw have the upper mid card guys, if Paul Heymans tenure as Smackdown head writer in the early 2000's proved anything, it's that Paul can take upper mid card guys and get them to top guys.

They need to get rid of the wildcard, and not have any superstar shakeups for at least 3 years.

Making the the shows truly different brands is the only way to get the ratings up for both shows.

They also need to go back to brand exclusive PPVs.
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To be fair, every face in WWE is brutally boring. They make them single-note and hammer that note into the fucking ground.
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Old 06-27-2019, 05:17 PM   #31
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To be fair, every face in WWE is brutally boring. They make them single-note and hammer that note into the fucking ground.
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To be fair, every face in WWE is brutally boring. They make them single-note and hammer that note into the fucking ground.
True. Outside of the fact that they're feuding or pitted against WWE's similar awful boring, single-note idea of "heels", I don't think they even register or qualify as faces. Though I guess, in theory you could say the same thing about the heels too in a lot of respects.
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I'm pretty sure Bischoff will have usurped Triple H to claim Steph and NXT before the year is out. He'll then give NXT to Kevin Nash.
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I hope this happens in November.
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According to the Observer, FOX was caught by surprise from WWE's announcement and it turns out they rather have Heyman than Bischoff had WWE actually gave them the choice beforehand.
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