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Old 01-27-2020, 09:16 PM   #1
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Because most fans are terrible I fully expect the crowd to turn on Drew shortly after Mania because god forbid anybody ever get behind someone the office is trying to push.
Is it the fans' fault that they book every1 like shit though...
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Is it the fans' fault that they book every1 like shit though...
Nope but the second the fans realize the office is behind someone, they will turn. It’s been that way for like 15 years.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:19 PM   #3
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Nope but the second the fans realize the office is behind someone, they will turn. It’s been that way for like 15 years.
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Nope but the second the fans realize the office is behind someone, they will turn. It’s been that way for like 15 years.
That's because WWE rarely is subtle with their booking and/or starts taking away the very things that made the person a crowd favorite.

If Drew suddenly gets the Reigns treatment for booking, then yeah the crowd will turn on him. Same for crowds losing interest if he's stuck in bad feuds.
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Because most fans are terrible I fully expect the crowd to turn on Drew shortly after Mania because god forbid anybody ever get behind someone the office is trying to push.
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Nope but the second the fans realize the office is behind someone, they will turn. It’s been that way for like 15 years.
Kind of a double edged sword there. When the company gets behind someone that the fans like, there is a tendency to strip away what made the fans get into them in the first place. Cena is a great example. People were behind him when Vince wasn't. When Vince hopped on that train, he slowly transitioned from cool bad boy rulebreaker what does freestyle rapping to Neo Hogan SuperCena who is a generic smiley good guy who never loses.

There is a habit in the last couple of decades to not give any reason why we should care about anyone they decide to push. If they bother to construct one, it's often one dimensional. When that doesn't work, then it's somehow the fans' fault or the wrestler's fault. Never the company for misreading their audience or bad fucking storytelling/world building. For example; Erick Rowan is doing more right now with this Seven-esque "what's in the booooox" gimmick than his initial supposed singles push where he just was supposed to coast off of wearing the sheep mask to sell to the kids and get over on the fact that he makes his own wine in his spare time? The fuck?

The Rock didn't become The Rock just because of a heel turn (which was always one of those oversimplified criticisims about Cena later)... it was that heel turn that started him down the road to transition from one dimensional, force-fed babyface. There started becoming depth beyond just turning on "you people/you fans"; he had a reason for it, which was the backlash from his sustained and shoehorned babyface push. Then, he started becoming an egotistical jerk. Then an egotistical jerk that says funny and memorable shit. And when the fans started getting behind him... they didn't stop making him an egotistical jerk that says funny and memorable shit because babyfaces don't do that. He was still the same asshole as a face, but they allowed him to be a likeable asshole who turned his heelishness towards other heels instead of making him revert back to a bad haircut and grass skirts.

Point is, this is the start of something intresting for Drew, but it has to *stay* interesting. If he gets steamrolled by Brock with no rematch and that's the end of that (like with Samoa Joe and Kofi Kingston), it was a waste. If he changes from intense badass back into 3MB comedy Drew who is made to look stupid and jobs all the time, it will be a waste. If they get it into their heads that the fans only like him because he's winning and goes on a win streak that just takes all the stakes out of everything because they're telegraphing him beating the world in every situation for the next 3 years, it becomes boring and once again, a waste.

Insinuating the fans will just arbitrarily turn on him out of nowhere only on the merits of him finally getting a push is pretty flawed logic.
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Drew vs. OC match was decent but was also just another sign of how much Vince really hates tag wrestling.
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Lol, that was everything it needed to be. Reminded me of how the Midnight Express wanted to put over Brian Pillman.
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Didn't Jinder have a WWE Championship match at Mania? Isn't that "Headlining"?
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US Title match, he was already 4 months removed from his WWE Title run
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Not sure I love Brock getting his hands on Drew that early, but it doesn't offend my sensibilities either. Good first segment. I think this Raw might do really well in the ratings, given that they've got Edge back and a lot of championship matches and the Liv/Lana/Charlotte announcement stuff promoted.

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WWE seem to be playing more into their history recently. That's such a useful tool they don't use enough of.
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I dunno, Jeff Jarrett worked a few Raw matches right after his Rumble return and that was it and it turned out he’d signed on for a backstage role.

Could see it being the same with MVP.
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Kind of got a feeling that Christian might turn on Edge because he's jealous of all this fanfare for him. I dunno, don't really think Christian is coming back, but something about the presentation of that segment just made me feel that.
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I really like the look of both wrestlers attire in this match. It looks pretty cool. Rey's attire really reminds me of WCW days.
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MVP is two days older than Edge.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:29 PM   #28
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MVP is two days older than Edge.
I was gonna say I bet MVP is in better shape than Edge but then I remembered his heart condition he has
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:31 PM   #29
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:25 PM   #30
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:25 PM   #31
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was never really into mvp tbh
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:25 PM   #32
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Didn't use sound at the Rumble, but MVP using his classic theme is a good choice.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:26 PM   #33
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Goddamn what is going on with Rey? Worrisome.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:26 PM   #34
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MVP looks to be in great shape. I don't hate him being around.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:31 PM   #35
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MVP looks to be in great shape. I don't hate him being around.
I said last night it was a wasted spot, but if he is gonna be around even a few months, I take that back.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:27 PM   #36
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MVP looks comfortable out there and he looks to be in great shape.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:27 PM   #37
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MVP is pretty smart when you think about.

He mentioned before if he ever came back to WWE, it would be for a big pay day and with the next Saudi show around the corner, he's going to cash in big time regardless if WWE handles this run well or not.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:28 PM   #38
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Smartly structured show so far. Go from Drew looking great and Brock to Rey Mysterio, who is beloved, and a guy that's coming back, which is at least interesting.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:29 PM   #39
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So does that handicap match mean Luke is out of TPWW Survivor? Holy shit if so, that would bring it to the final 3!
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:29 PM   #40
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I literally missed that match too...was in line to go to the restroom bc I saw Jinder was coming up and was like 'oh thank god, a break'
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