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Old 12-14-2021, 02:19 AM   #1
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Why didnt he ever get bloated and purple from alcohol abuse until he had no rules from his employer? Even though he has said so many times working in WWE was so bad and depressing and soul crushing, why not then? That logically that would be the most ideal time to drown his sorrows.

Super depressed Dean Ambrose had restraint and was still a professional for 7 years, but free from prison happy Jon Moxley drank himself into rehab in 2 years, and you do not believe the culture where he works may have enabled that?
Oh my god! Soon you're going to tell me people gain weight and stop working out or indulge more when they get older! Particularly when they have freedom and aren't held hostage in their personal life by their employer! Shocker!
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Old 12-13-2021, 07:32 PM   #2
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Old 12-13-2021, 10:46 PM   #3
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I hear tell that there has also been some sort of pandemic going around that has been exacerbating a lot of people's stress/problems/worries/depression.
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Jericho isn't depressed or feeling overweight. He's in bulking season and has had some diet changes but nothing major. He is in the best shape.
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Old 12-14-2021, 02:31 AM   #6
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It's apparently absolutely immoral for an employer to treat actual adults like actual adults.

They shouldn't provide them with any actual freedom or benefits that would cost the company any more money than absolutely needed though. Instead, they should micromanage the adult talent and treat them like children, and they should only do the minimal amount so that the company can exploit the talent for as as much net profit as possible for as long as possible. After all, there's there's nothing immoral about that.
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It's apparently absolutely immoral for an employer to treat actual adults like actual adults.

They shouldn't provide them with any actual freedom or benefits that would cost the company any more money than absolutely needed though. Instead, they should micromanage the adult talent and treat them like children, and they should only do the minimal amount so that the company can exploit the talent for as as much net profit as possible for as long as possible. After all, there's there's nothing immoral about that.
We get it, Vince and his contracts are exploitative and far too controlling. Nobody is arguing against that. But that does not change the fact that Tony Khan is an enabler to certain people who have clearly gone off the deep end with no boundaries. If he was not so concerned about his wrestlers liking him and hanging out drinking White Claws with him, and put his foot down, his 3 previous World Champions would have kept themselves in better shape.

Dislike Vince all you want, there is no way he would let Moxley or Jericho on TV the way they look, and they both knew that standard was in place. Without that standard, well look at them. Tony Khan could have said take better care of yourself or I am going to have to take you off the show, it would not have been an unreasonable request. But he is a creepy fanboy who lets them do whatever they want so he can have friends.
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We get it, Vince and his contracts are exploitative and far too controlling. Nobody is arguing against that. But that does not change the fact that Tony Khan is an enabler to certain people who have clearly gone off the deep end with no boundaries. If he was not so concerned about his wrestlers liking him and hanging out drinking White Claws with him, and put his foot down, his 3 previous World Champions would have kept themselves in better shape.

Dislike Vince all you want, there is no way he would let Moxley or Jericho on TV the way they look, and they both knew that standard was in place. Without that standard, well look at them. Tony Khan could have said take better care of yourself or I am going to have to take you off the show, it would not have been an unreasonable request. But he is a creepy fanboy who lets them do whatever they want so he can have friends.
Bang. Spot on. I had to think about who the third World Champion was, but that’s a valid point about Omega too. He’s run himself into the ground by working the way he works.
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The person who got angry is BigCrippyZ. He attacks anyone for daring to say anything negative about AEW or balanced about the WWE. No one has actually said that they know for sure it’s a substance abuse issue. A LOT of people are concerned that it is because of what people know about Jericho and what people know about AEW. Some people can’t have that.
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The person who got angry is BigCrippyZ. He attacks anyone for daring to say anything negative about AEW or balanced about the WWE. No one has actually said that they know for sure it’s a substance abuse issue. A LOT of people are concerned that it is because of what people know about Jericho and what people know about AEW. Some people can’t have that.
He's very toxic
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I don’t know about enabling substance abuse, but it’s wild to see people act like there isn’t a massive difference in how Jericho looks on screen in AEW compared to WWE. He was always presentable and looked great for his age when he was with WWE.

He has looked horrendous during his whole run in AEW. Why would you need to be inside the locker room of the company to see that he isn’t looking after himself as well as he did? He didn’t age 10 years in 2 years naturally.

Vince has his own long list of sins to answer for, but putting Jericho on TV in the shape he is in is definitely one of AEW’s.
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I don’t know about enabling substance abuse, but it’s wild to see people act like there isn’t a massive difference in how Jericho looks on screen in AEW compared to WWE. He was always presentable and looked great for his age when he was with WWE.

He has looked horrendous during his whole run in AEW. Why would you need to be inside the locker room of the company to see that he isn’t looking after himself as well as he did? He didn’t age 10 years in 2 years naturally.

Vince has his own long list of sins to answer for, but putting Jericho on TV in the shape he is in is definitely one of AEW’s.
Jericho looks like shit. And he knows he looks like shit. Remember when he hashtagged the NBA group or sucked his gut in with that photo with Thunder Rosa? He’s lost control. We don’t know if this is why he was in the hospital, but that almost the entire online wrestling community gulped a little bit says something.
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Jericho was fast in njpw. Let’s stop pretending it’s Tony Khan’s fault and hold the actual person accountable until we have actual evidence that AEW is creating a toxic, enabling environment.

Let’s also not hold Vince to some standard as if there isn’t a long history of substance and alcohol abuse that’s happened while under contract for him.
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Jericho was fast in njpw. Let’s stop pretending it’s Tony Khan’s fault and hold the actual person accountable until we have actual evidence that AEW is creating a toxic, enabling environment.

Let’s also not hold Vince to some standard as if there isn’t a long history of substance and alcohol abuse that’s happened while under contract for him.
Nothing to do with Vince. That’s a completely separate issue. When the subject is Jericho, Khan is being irresponsible by using him the way he looks. He nearly killed himself with one of the worst lionsault attempts I have ever seen. He is slow and sloppy and looks horrendous.

Jericho isn’t Tony Khans responsibility, but he isn’t doing him any favors by letting him go on TV week after week looking like he does. You don’t need to have a toxic atmosphere to see that Jericho isn’t presentable at the moment. Get the guy some help or at the very least have some standards for how he should look on your show.
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I love how many of you are apparently in touch with Jericho’s doctor about how awful shape he’s in and who and what’s to blame. Meltzer has nothing on you all.
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I love how many of you are apparently in touch with Jericho’s doctor about how awful shape he’s in and who and what’s to blame. Meltzer has nothing on you all.
You’re in denial.
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You’re in denial.
Nah, I'm just not such an arrogant moron that I presume to know someone else's health status without at least hearing about it from them or a doctor who's actually personally examined them.
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Nah, I'm just not such an arrogant moron that I presume to know someone else's health status without at least hearing about it from them or a doctor who's actually personally examined them.
No, you just generate false dichotomies and will ignore all warning signs to mindlessly defend this shitty company and its shitty management.
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What we do know for a fact about Jerich is that he likes to drink and he’s put on weight over the years.

Therefore Tony Khan is an asshole.
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What we do know for a fact about Jerich is that he likes to drink and he’s put on weight over the years.

Therefore Tony Khan is an asshole.
What we do know for a fact about Tony Khan is that he wants constant reassurance that his wrestlers think he is their friend and cool.

Therefore he will not discipline them in the slightest unless they talk about rape like Max Caster or Sammy Guevara.
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Old 12-15-2021, 10:31 AM   #22
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Old 12-15-2021, 05:25 PM   #23
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Do you think all big fat drunk wrestlers ever should have been disciplined or is Jericho a special case?
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Old 12-15-2021, 06:32 PM   #24
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Do you think all big fat drunk wrestlers ever should have been disciplined or is Jericho a special case?
Not always, but there has to be a line when it is clearly effecting their well being.




He does not look well. Had Tony stepped in 6 months earlier it would have been far better for Moxley.
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Old 12-15-2021, 05:59 PM   #25
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Disciplined? I dunno if I would class taking someone off TV for a while and getting them some help with their issues as discipline exactly.
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Holy shit, Moxley looks fucking horrid. How can anyone close to him have the audacity to act surprised that he had this sort of problem?
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It would be pretty funny if it turned out Tony Khan has created a breeding ground for classic wrestling vices. No steroids whatsoever though...
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