DISCUSSION - Is Randy Orton the most important wrestler in the WWE right now?

[Nowhere Man]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse Christian's the king of cheap heat.

As opposed to the guy who's entire gimmick is based around beating up respected former wrestlers?

[Wondermouse]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man As opposed to the guy who's entire gimmick is based around beating up respected former wrestlers?

Well, look back at E&C - what would they always do? Insult the city's sports teams. They perfected it.

What's he doing now? Well, he's beating up one of the most over faces right now, and he's got a slut and a goon with him.

Really, that's how most people get heat. Kane cheapshots Eugene. BOOOOOO. Trish insults Quebecois. BOOOOO. La Res insults America. BOOOOO.

randy orton is freaking terrible. I just dont see what people like about him. The only thing he is even remotely good at is speaking on the mic and hes only just average at that. He needs a legend killer gimmick to get him over because he simply couldn't get over by himself. He uses the diamond cutter to get him over and does it so poorly that the move will never get the same respect it had, not to mention when he misses it he just looks like the biggest moron ever. He sells horrible. Watch him sell the mandible claw flailing around like a moron, even the rock sold that thing better and more realisticly. None of his moves are fluid, he cant chain wrestle at all. Somebody please tell me what is so great about this guy. Besides fleeing from the marines like a big freakin baby

[Nowhere Man]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse Well, look back at E&C - what would they always do? Insult the city's sports teams. They perfected it. What's he doing now? Well, he's beating up one of the most over faces right now, and he's got a slut and a goon with him. Really, that's how most people get heat. Kane cheapshots Eugene. BOOOOOO. Trish insults Quebecois. BOOOOO. La Res insults America. BOOOOO.

Yeah, but for most people, relying on cheap heat is only a part of their gimmick, not the entire basis for it. I'm not big on La Res' gimmick either, since it's entirely based on gaining cheap heat, and Trish is garbage on the mic anyways, so I'm not going to defend those. Christian beats up on Jericho (or sends his goon to do it) because he's feuding with him. Orton beats up on old people as his entire gimmick. Until he got into extended feuds with Shawn Michaels and Mick Foley, he was basically doing the same thing that 3 Minute Warning did in 2002.