Nomar is out of Boston - Page 2

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-02-2004, 03:30 AM

The management that is known for treating players like crap is no longer there tho, the management that ran Clemens out of town is gone

**VonErich Lives** · 08-02-2004, 04:32 AM

If someone took Manny they probably wouldn't have done the A-rod deal. Manny was the deal for A-rod, if someone claimed Manny, that would have freed around 20-25mil, they probably would have made a run at Vlad and/or Tejada and w/ Tejada traded nomar to the White Sox for Ordonez (which was the nomar trade rumor that nomar suposidly got pissy about).

Even w/o the possible deal, I think Nomar still wanted out, he doesn't like the big time media... but see theres a problem he doesn't get... to make 15mil a year you need to play for a big market team, which means big market media!

He actually called a radio station from his honeymoon to say "I never said I didn't want to play here" and they asked him questions like "If they got A-rod, would you be willing to play 2nd" and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" it was a total PR crap phone call, his agent made him do it, and he lost a lot of respect around here, question after question and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" then to top it off, he said he hadn't gotten any contract offers, then it comes out the sox offered him somewhere around 12-13/yr over 4yrs and he turned it down, which made him look like a bigger ass.

Then he comes back from his injury and plays in the minors and then slumps in the majors and yells at the press "I shouldn't be here yet, I should still be rehab the injury but I rushed it because the fans thought I was faking" or something close to that.

He wasn't staying here... We got 2 gold glovers which we desprately needed.

As for how the Sox treat players, that was the old Regime, this one has been pretty good to it's players, but still not afraid to make cold business decisions.

**VonErich Lives** · 08-02-2004, 04:34 AM

Let's also remember, Clemens said he wants to play closer to home... and went to Toronto...

Mo Vaughn was a home-town favorite... more then Nomie... and he said it "wasn't about the money" and then went to Anihiem who was the highest bidder.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 08-02-2004, 05:52 AM

yankees are still gonna win

**VonErich Lives** · 08-02-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA

yankees are still gonna win

Not if their pitchers don't get healthy...

Doesn't mean the sox will either... the Cubs go a key peice they're missing, and the AL West looks strong.

**ct2k** · 08-02-2004, 09:13 AM

I'd have to say right now Cards've gotta be the favourites

08-02-2004, 11:00 AM

Oakland wll win the West and then they'll blow it in the playoffs..again. They will probably lose the final game because Brynes will be arguing with the ump while the other team scores all of its players on base.

**VonErich Lives** · 08-02-2004, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Oakland wll win the West and then they'll blow it in the playoffs..again. They will probably lose the final game because Brynes will be arguing with the ump while the other team scores all of its players on base.

I went to an Oakland/sox game this year, front row next to the visiting dugout..

Kept calling out to Brynes and finally he looks over and I said "Ya find home plate yet?"

Everyone including the people in the camera pit started cracking up.

**VonErich Lives** · 08-02-2004, 11:13 AM

Also, interesting reports that Nomar has been telling the Sox his ankle wasn't 100% and he would be day-to-day and would probably need to go on the DL sometime in the final 2 months, going as far as to say he wanted to be 100% healthy for november when he needs to take his free agent physical.

Theo has gone to say that if they felt Nomar was 100% they probably wouldn't have delt him, but they'd rather have a full-time SS then Guetieriez...

Nomar aperently has now said he's 100% and wont need any time off, etc... etc...

The more I hear, the more I think he's a shit.

**MrMeJW** · 08-02-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

How do you know that is true? I highly doubt it is

Gerry Callahan: "Nomar Takes Phony Express Out of Town"

Boston Herald 8.2.04: "I called him in his hotel room just to wish him luck and thank him for all he did for the franchise," Sox CEO Larry Lucchino said last night. "Then I asked him, 'How's the heel?' He said, 'It's great.'" "(I said,) 'Great? How can it be great? Two days ago, you thought you were going to have to go on the DL.' He said, 'Yeah, well, it's great now.'"

Gordon Edes Must be in on "Conspiracy" Too

Boston Globe 8.2.04: Yesterday, Garciaparra evaded answering questions about those assertions directly. At first, he said he could not respond because he did not know what the team had said. He then said that what was said was between him and the trainers, then emphasized that to date he only had missed a game or two at a time since coming off the DL.

Silverado is Obviously on the Take as Well

Boston Herald 8.2.04: According to club sources, Garciaparra informed the team's medical staff that the continuing discomfort in his Achilles tendon would probably require a stint on the disabled list sometime in the final two months of the season. Sox sources even alleged that Garciaparra said that he wanted to make sure he was healthy at the end of the season, when he would have to take a November physical as part of the free agent process.

**The Miz** · 08-02-2004, 12:55 PM

Leave Byrnesy alone

He worked on his baserunning ok guys

08-02-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Also, interesting reports that Nomar has been telling the Sox his ankle wasn't 100% and he would be day-to-day and would probably need to go on the DL sometime in the final 2 months, going as far as to say he wanted to be 100% healthy for november when he needs to take his free agent physical.

Theo has gone to say that if they felt Nomar was 100% they probably wouldn't have delt him, but they'd rather have a full-time SS then Guetieriez...

Nomar aperently has now said he's 100% and wont need any time off, etc... etc...

The more I hear, the more I think he's a shit.

He didn't get along with management. He was looking out for himself. Don't take it personal. It wasn't about you.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-02-2004, 04:31 PM

3 Boston Hearld stories so it makes it true?

Hearld spews a lot of BS

**MrMeJW** · 08-02-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

3 Boston Hearld stories so it makes it true?

Hearld spews a lot of BS

Two of them are the Hearld, one is the Globe. Sure it doesn't mean its 100% true but I haven't read anything saying otherwise.

08-02-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

The management that is known for treating players like crap is no longer there tho, the management that ran Clemens out of town is gone

This management team, is no better.

Had they secured A-Rod, they were moving Nomar. Jeter, on the other hand was still being kept by the Yankees and in fact was keeping his position. That says volumes about the Red Sox' management. Then factor in the waiver placement of Manny, how can you say they aren't treating players like shit.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-03-2004, 01:49 AM

If we got A-Rod I don't understand why we had to get rid of Nomar, why couldn't we have kept both and moved one to a different spot like 2B or 3B?

**MoRcHeEbA** · 08-03-2004, 01:53 AM

I think that's what Hero was saying, the Management had it in their heads that they would get A-Rod and just move nomar

**VonErich Lives** · 08-03-2004, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

This management team, is no better.

Had they secured A-Rod, they were moving Nomar. Jeter, on the other hand was still being kept by the Yankees and in fact was keeping his position. That says volumes about the Red Sox' management. Then factor in the waiver placement of Manny, how can you say they aren't treating players like shit.

Why because to get A-rod was going to cost us Manny and we already had a 3B who won the batting title last year.

So, we were going to trade Nomar to get Ordonez, thats why.

Plus, Nomar was/is a free agent to be, who had turned down a huge contract already.

As for Manny, keep in mind the current regieme didn't sign him, it wasn't because they didn't want one of the best hitters in the game, it was they didn't want to pay him 22mil/year. It was a financial move.

Can't compare Theo/Co. to Duqette/Co.

**slextremely** · 08-03-2004, 03:08 PM

Come Back Nomar

i cant believe hes a fucking cub

**ct2k** · 08-03-2004, 03:30 PM

Atleast he'll never face the Red Sox...Unless they make the World Series

Cheap shot i know *runs off*

**MrMeJW** · 08-03-2004, 03:31 PM

Yesterday in the Globe there was a story about how to help your child deal with the loss of Nomar.

**VonErich Lives** · 08-03-2004, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ct2k

Atleast he'll never face the Red Sox...Unless they make the World Series

Cheap shot i know *runs off*

Cheap shot at the Sox, Cubs or both?

**ct2k** · 08-03-2004, 05:45 PM

Kind of both, but mainly the Sox

08-03-2004, 06:03 PM

Wow, Cubs/Sox would be fk'n great in the Series this year. As far as a story goes, not as far as me wanting the Sox there

**ct2k** · 08-03-2004, 06:14 PM

It's questionable whether the Sox will even make the playoffs right now anyway

**slextremely** · 08-03-2004, 11:24 PM

Bostons schedule is really favorable tho.

**ct2k** · 08-03-2004, 11:28 PM

So is the Yank's though, its so so unlikely Boston coming back and winning the division, so they gotta win the wildcard, and that is certainly not going to be easy with Texas, Anaheim and Chicago all very capable and in the hunt, hell even Cleveland aren't totally out of it

08-04-2004, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Why because to get A-rod was going to cost us Manny and we already had a 3B who won the batting title last year.

So, we were going to trade Nomar to get Ordonez, thats why.

Plus, Nomar was/is a free agent to be, who had turned down a huge contract already.

As for Manny, keep in mind the current regieme didn't sign him, it wasn't because they didn't want one of the best hitters in the game, it was they didn't want to pay him 22mil/year. It was a financial move.

Can't compare Theo/Co. to Duqette/Co.

Trade Mueller, put A-Rod at third. Nomar was the newest Red Sox icon. There's the difference, Yankees despite all their trades, still know, and show class when it comes to these matters.

**MrMeJW** · 08-04-2004, 02:07 AM

Alright this is from Bill Simmons article about Nomar.

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This thing fell apart for the same reason these things always fall apart: Money. Nomar's agent rejected a four-year, $60 million extension from the Red Sox last spring. When talks resumed in October 2003 -- after the Sox were sufficiently frightened by Nomar's play down the stretch -- they downsized their offer for an extension. Nomar's agent, Arn Tellem, specifically told the Red Sox that they wouldn't even consider something that started at less than $16 million a year. And if that couldn't happen, the Red Sox should trade him. Let's repeat that, because this is important. According to his agent, if the Red Sox weren't prepared to give Nomar -- a guy still struggling with a major wrist injury, a guy who wasn't the same player as he was he was in '99 and '00 -- an extension starting at 16 freakin' million a year, then Nomar would leave after the 2004 season and play for somewhere else. That was the insinuation with "you should trade him."

We can't just blame the Sox management, both sides screwed up to cause this mess.

**The Outlaw** · 08-04-2004, 04:30 AM

I stand by my original point. Good for Nomar to get out of there IMO.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-04-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ct2k

So is the Yank's though, its so so unlikely Boston coming back and winning the division, so they gotta win the wildcard, and that is certainly not going to be easy with Texas, Anaheim and Chicago all very capable and in the hunt, hell even Cleveland aren't totally out of it

Its going to come down to Red Sox, Texas/Oakland (depending who wins AL west) and Anaheim

I still think Texas is going to fade eventually, but I've been saying that all year

I think the Sox have a pretty good shot at it, I didn't really like this Nomar trade at first but I think it will probably end up working out for the better of the team.

Although Nomar was the man

**ct2k** · 08-05-2004, 12:44 PM

Texas probably will fade, as everyone has said they don't have the pitching. Oakland are looking pretty hot though and with Hudson on the way back things can only look better, i guess what they really need is for Zito and Dotel to start doing what we know they can do. Anaheim i reckon will give it a good shot too, Bartolo Colon has been throwing well recently and they've certainly got the bats to back up the pitching so i guess we'll have to wait and see. Boston technically has everything too so it should be an exciting race!

**The Miz** · 08-05-2004, 12:55 PM

Dotel sucks, he throws it 99 mph down the middle every time. He strikes alot of guys out but he gives up just as many home runs. He is not ready to close.

**VonErich Lives** · 08-06-2004, 12:29 PM

This just gets better...

Nomar had never said how he injured his ankle.

Now, he finally claims he was hit by a ball during batting practice... which seems rather unlikely...

and now, a report comes out that he actually hurt it... get this... playing soccer!

LMFAO!

**ct2k** · 08-06-2004, 12:31 PM

Stop whining!

**The Outlaw** · 08-06-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

This just gets better...

Nomar had never said how he injured his ankle.

Now, he finally claims he was hit by a ball during batting practice... which seems rather unlikely...

and now, a report comes out that he actually hurt it... get this... playing soccer!

LMFAO!

Get over it.

Whenever Boston trades/gets rid of a player, they go from being loved to being hated. Stima is the only guy that hasnt been on Nomas nuts.

**BCWWF** · 08-08-2004, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA

there goes the twins chances for the pennant

bcwwf must be crying

How does it feel to be soo damned stupid?

**MoRcHeEbA** · 08-08-2004, 11:45 PM

hows does it feel to look like an idiot and not get a joke?

**BCWWF** · 08-08-2004, 11:46 PM

Pretty damned good

BTW, Morneau

**MoRcHeEbA** · 08-08-2004, 11:48 PM

maybe you should have noticed that im a fan of the Twins anyways and have been for a long time, so the joke was a joke at you.

08-02-2004, 03:30 AM	#41
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	The management that is known for treating players like crap is no longer there tho, the management that ran Clemens out of town is gone

08-02-2004, 04:32 AM	#42
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	If someone took Manny they probably wouldn't have done the A-rod deal. Manny was the deal for A-rod, if someone claimed Manny, that would have freed around 20-25mil, they probably would have made a run at Vlad and/or Tejada and w/ Tejada traded nomar to the White Sox for Ordonez (which was the nomar trade rumor that nomar suposidly got pissy about). Even w/o the possible deal, I think Nomar still wanted out, he doesn't like the big time media... but see theres a problem he doesn't get... to make 15mil a year you need to play for a big market team, which means big market media! He actually called a radio station from his honeymoon to say "I never said I didn't want to play here" and they asked him questions like "If they got A-rod, would you be willing to play 2nd" and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" it was a total PR crap phone call, his agent made him do it, and he lost a lot of respect around here, question after question and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" then to top it off, he said he hadn't gotten any contract offers, then it comes out the sox offered him somewhere around 12-13/yr over 4yrs and he turned it down, which made him look like a bigger ass. Then he comes back from his injury and plays in the minors and then slumps in the majors and yells at the press "I shouldn't be here yet, I should still be rehab the injury but I rushed it because the fans thought I was faking" or something close to that. He wasn't staying here... We got 2 gold glovers which we desprately needed. As for how the Sox treat players, that was the old Regime, this one has been pretty good to it's players, but still not afraid to make cold business decisions.

08-02-2004, 04:34 AM	#43
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Let's also remember, Clemens said he wants to play closer to home... and went to Toronto... Mo Vaughn was a home-town favorite... more then Nomie... and he said it "wasn't about the money" and then went to Anihiem who was the highest bidder.

08-02-2004, 05:52 AM	#44
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	yankees are still gonna win

08-02-2004, 09:13 AM	#46
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	I'd have to say right now Cards've gotta be the favourites

08-02-2004, 11:00 AM	#47
Loose Cannon Guest Posts: n/a	Oakland wll win the West and then they'll blow it in the playoffs..again. They will probably lose the final game because Brynes will be arguing with the ump while the other team scores all of its players on base.

08-02-2004, 11:13 AM	#49
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Also, interesting reports that Nomar has been telling the Sox his ankle wasn't 100% and he would be day-to-day and would probably need to go on the DL sometime in the final 2 months, going as far as to say he wanted to be 100% healthy for november when he needs to take his free agent physical. Theo has gone to say that if they felt Nomar was 100% they probably wouldn't have delt him, but they'd rather have a full-time SS then Guetieriez... Nomar aperently has now said he's 100% and wont need any time off, etc... etc... The more I hear, the more I think he's a shit.

08-02-2004, 12:55 PM	#51
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Leave Byrnesy alone He worked on his baserunning ok guys

08-02-2004, 04:31 PM	#53
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	3 Boston Hearld stories so it makes it true? Hearld spews a lot of BS

08-03-2004, 01:49 AM	#56
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	If we got A-Rod I don't understand why we had to get rid of Nomar, why couldn't we have kept both and moved one to a different spot like 2B or 3B?

08-03-2004, 01:53 AM	#57
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	I think that's what Hero was saying, the Management had it in their heads that they would get A-Rod and just move nomar

08-03-2004, 03:08 PM	#59
slextremely oooooh yeaaaa Posts: 356	Come Back Nomar i cant believe hes a fucking cub

08-03-2004, 03:30 PM	#60
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Atleast he'll never face the Red Sox...Unless they make the World Series Cheap shot i know runs off

08-03-2004, 03:31 PM	#61
MrMeJW Posts: 2,869	Yesterday in the Globe there was a story about how to help your child deal with the loss of Nomar.

08-03-2004, 05:45 PM	#63
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Kind of both, but mainly the Sox

08-03-2004, 06:03 PM	#64
Loose Cannon Guest Posts: n/a	Wow, Cubs/Sox would be fk'n great in the Series this year. As far as a story goes, not as far as me wanting the Sox there

08-03-2004, 06:14 PM	#65
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	It's questionable whether the Sox will even make the playoffs right now anyway

08-03-2004, 11:24 PM	#66
slextremely oooooh yeaaaa Posts: 356	Bostons schedule is really favorable tho.

08-03-2004, 11:28 PM	#67
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	So is the Yank's though, its so so unlikely Boston coming back and winning the division, so they gotta win the wildcard, and that is certainly not going to be easy with Texas, Anaheim and Chicago all very capable and in the hunt, hell even Cleveland aren't totally out of it

08-04-2004, 04:30 AM	#70
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	I stand by my original point. Good for Nomar to get out of there IMO.

08-05-2004, 12:44 PM	#72
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Texas probably will fade, as everyone has said they don't have the pitching. Oakland are looking pretty hot though and with Hudson on the way back things can only look better, i guess what they really need is for Zito and Dotel to start doing what we know they can do. Anaheim i reckon will give it a good shot too, Bartolo Colon has been throwing well recently and they've certainly got the bats to back up the pitching so i guess we'll have to wait and see. Boston technically has everything too so it should be an exciting race!

08-05-2004, 12:55 PM	#73
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Dotel sucks, he throws it 99 mph down the middle every time. He strikes alot of guys out but he gives up just as many home runs. He is not ready to close.

08-06-2004, 12:29 PM	#74
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	This just gets better... Nomar had never said how he injured his ankle. Now, he finally claims he was hit by a ball during batting practice... which seems rather unlikely... and now, a report comes out that he actually hurt it... get this... playing soccer! LMFAO!

08-06-2004, 12:31 PM	#75
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Stop whining!

08-08-2004, 11:45 PM	#78
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	hows does it feel to look like an idiot and not get a joke?

08-08-2004, 11:46 PM	#79
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Pretty damned good BTW, Morneau

08-08-2004, 11:48 PM	#80
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	maybe you should have noticed that im a fan of the Twins anyways and have been for a long time, so the joke was a joke at you.