What baseball milestone do you find the most impressive? - Page 2

**VonErich Lives** · 08-11-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonax

300 wins. That's 20 wins a year for 15 years.

You've got to stay healthy, you've got to have a bullpen that isn't gonna blow your lead. You've got to have run support as well. So many little things that are the difference between a 14-14 season and a 20-8 season.

See, I've always felt ERA was the true pitcher stat and wins don't say much, when you can give up 6runs and win 10-6 because your team can hit.

ERA, Strikeouts, Walk-SO Ratio, OPB%

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 04:42 PM

That's surely a different topic. The question was which is the most impressive milestone. There isn't really a milestone for ERA.

For sure you need luck, think about the pitchers who had low had ERA's but didn't get the wins, or the pitchers who had good careers and then got the yips, or blew out their arms. That's why its the stat that is the most impressive to my mind.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 07:14 PM

One stat i find very impressive is the one Dennis Eckersley and Smoltzy share, which is clocking 20+ wins in a season and 50+ saves in a season during a career. That shows a complete pitcher in my mind, someone who can go the distance in a game successfully, and can deal with the kinds of pressure situations closer's often come across consistently. It's been said before than the bullpen isn't the place for a starter who can't start and vice versa a great set-up man/closer can't necessarily make it work for 6-7 innings. Guys who do to the highest standard like these two are up a notch in my respectometer.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 08-11-2004, 07:29 PM

I like the single season "milestones" the best personally because most everybody plays a full season, where as the huge milestones over many years have way too many variables IMO

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 07:36 PM

Good point Stima. Going back to John Smoltz, if you look at his win/loss ratio as a starter it's good, but not amazing, he didn't even come that near to 200 wins. But then you think of the amazing teams he played on, the huge role he played in the post season campaigns the Braves had and he was a fantastic starter for them, also he always had brilliant era and tossed a lot of innings, those variables just didn't always go his way, he say ended up with a 14-12 record when if a few things had been different he woulda 20-6.

**Loose Cannon** · 08-11-2004, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ct2k

One stat i find very impressive is the one Dennis Eckersley and Smoltzy share, which is clocking 20+ wins in a season and 50+ saves in a season during a career. That shows a complete pitcher in my mind, someone who can go the distance in a game successfully, and can deal with the kinds of pressure situations closer's often come across consistently. It's been said before than the bullpen isn't the place for a starter who can't start and vice versa a great set-up man/closer can't necessarily make it work for 6-7 innings. Guys who do to the highest standard like these two are up a notch in my respectometer.

YEAH, but you can't really say this because most guys can probably do both. Now and Back then. ESPECIALLY BACK THEN. Remember, they went 3 man rotations in the playoffs and if they needed say the 1st game starter to come in relieve the 3rd game, they did that. Happened a lot in the old days.

**Loose Cannon** · 08-11-2004, 08:01 PM

And Just curious ct2k, you live in England and like baseball? If so, that's pretty cool. I don't know anyone from England who likes baseball and you seem to know some stuff.

**ct2k** · 08-11-2004, 08:11 PM

Moonax is a Brit too as it goes

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 08:35 PM

Allegedly

08-11-2004, 04:42 PM	#42
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	That's surely a different topic. The question was which is the most impressive milestone. There isn't really a milestone for ERA. For sure you need luck, think about the pitchers who had low had ERA's but didn't get the wins, or the pitchers who had good careers and then got the yips, or blew out their arms. That's why its the stat that is the most impressive to my mind.

08-11-2004, 07:14 PM	#43
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	One stat i find very impressive is the one Dennis Eckersley and Smoltzy share, which is clocking 20+ wins in a season and 50+ saves in a season during a career. That shows a complete pitcher in my mind, someone who can go the distance in a game successfully, and can deal with the kinds of pressure situations closer's often come across consistently. It's been said before than the bullpen isn't the place for a starter who can't start and vice versa a great set-up man/closer can't necessarily make it work for 6-7 innings. Guys who do to the highest standard like these two are up a notch in my respectometer.

08-11-2004, 07:29 PM	#44
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I like the single season "milestones" the best personally because most everybody plays a full season, where as the huge milestones over many years have way too many variables IMO

08-11-2004, 07:36 PM	#45
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Good point Stima. Going back to John Smoltz, if you look at his win/loss ratio as a starter it's good, but not amazing, he didn't even come that near to 200 wins. But then you think of the amazing teams he played on, the huge role he played in the post season campaigns the Braves had and he was a fantastic starter for them, also he always had brilliant era and tossed a lot of innings, those variables just didn't always go his way, he say ended up with a 14-12 record when if a few things had been different he woulda 20-6.

08-11-2004, 08:01 PM	#47
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	And Just curious ct2k, you live in England and like baseball? If so, that's pretty cool. I don't know anyone from England who likes baseball and you seem to know some stuff.

08-11-2004, 08:11 PM	#48
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Moonax is a Brit too as it goes

08-11-2004, 08:35 PM	#49
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	Allegedly