The "Shut up you Sheep!" Thread

[3:16]

I'm sick of internet fans bitching about Vince and the way he's wasting talent. I like the WWE.........

Booker T sucks big time

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

Vince McMahon is an idiot.

[3:16]

Originally Posted by CYCLOPTERSAURUS Vince McMahon is an idiot.

oh, so you know him personally.......

[Mayo]

HHH does not hold everybody down (not all the time, anyways), he still puts on some good matches, and he's not really that bad on the mic. Yes, we do see way too much of him, but we only hate him because he is shoved down our throats. He has even jobbed to other up and comers (Benoit, Benjamin) in the last 6 months, so he isn't really THAT bad.

[Gone Mad]

Here is my stance on some subjects.. (remember, I won't have the exact same thoughts as you all)..

Owen and DiBiase's score: Someone mentioned it and I disagree. I love Owen, and whether alive or not, I'd still give him the same score. I have mentioned that he was the first wrestler and wrestling match I say, so that is why I will stay partial to him. But death does not affect my score. DiBiase.. one of the best heels ever. And hell, I admire him for leaving and becoming heavily religious.

Bret Hart: We should all get over it.. that's it.

Ric Flair: GO AWAY... along with Bret, get over this. You should stop wasting ring time when someone who is just starting is well deserved of it. He, along with HBK, should stop.. stop stealing spotlights.. them and Hogan and anyone who thinks it's still the 80's and that it's still about them. Just pass the torch and leave us the hell alone.

TNA seems overrated to me. Sure, they have good atheletes but everything is relied on high-flying. Too much of high-flying is boring but as long as everyone gets equal time, that's all right with me. That's where WWE lacks (and let's not forget the stance on home-grown talent).

..I feel like watching 'Fight Club' now..

[Gouda]

I like Ric Flair and d not think he should go away. I think he should even be given a main event run.

[My Final Heaven]

I think Grand Theft Auto is one of the most overrated games on any system. I see people come on here & talk about how they just spent 10 hours playing Vice City & it's the only game they ever play, but I own the game (have for about a year) & I can honestly say it hasn't touched my PS2 for 6 months at least. I dunno, I think I'm immune to the whole "Steal Cars / Punch Hookers" Bad Boy thing....

As far as wrestling goes, I've always really liked Big Show. Sure, he's not the speediest guy on the roster, but he's a better worker than a lot of guys who are half his size. He's also funny as hell if they allow him to be

[Jorgha]

As far as wrestling goes, I've always really liked Big Show. Sure, he's not the speediest guy on the roster, but he's a better worker than a lot of guys who are half his size. He's also funny as hell if they allow him to be

He is hysterical.
Did you see the episode of SNL where the Rock was on there and basically Show, HHH and Mick came and basically stole the show from him? It was great. Seeing the Rock in a dress was a moment I will remember forever.

[Aussie Skier]

Shawn michaels is WAYYYY past his best.
Every match is the same. He gets the shit beaten through him, bleeds like a bitch, people target his back, and then wins. It's happened against:
HHH - numerous times
Kane
Survivor Series 2003.

Honestly, i dont think he has any offence whatsoever. He was great, dont get me wrong, but now, its just like he gets squashed every match, yet seems to win!


OK - firstly helmsphere (and flunky) are awesome, CONTGRATS on the rate a wrestler
however, i am mystified with some of the results.

Raven - Raven...i mean, honestly, i have seen him very few times (only when in the WWF). He had a great match with rhyno (when Rhyno gored the shopping cart). But that was Rhyno who made that match great, not Raven. I cant understand how he can be so good.
Shawn 0'Haire - this guy is nothing special IMO. he never was, and never is...and never wil be.
Lex Luger - he used to be my favourite wrestler. I'd like to know why he is so popular if he is such a bad wrestler. Frankly, 55 seems harsh...i guess the whole Elizabeth thing certainly didnt help.
Hogan - hogan getting an 82, outside the top 10, is a disgrace. I never liked him, but he's been the single most popular and least popular wrestler of all time.
Bradshaw - A 46 for JBL is not fair. I am just wondering, he got a 46. Would he have got more as an acolyte...YES - probably around 70. Therefore, with only 46, that is because of people disliking him. HAHA, the perfect heel!


Discussing bradshaw, he is a great champ! I just wish we'd known about this charisma he has earlier on!

[Aussie Skier]

I'll do another 1, top 5 favourite wrestlers:

Charlie Haas - people think Shelton Benjamin is so good, i really don't see it. When Shelton was in WGTT, thee two were brilliant together. However, since shelton moved to raw, he has sucked. He does no decent wrestling moves, and is overrated. Charlies on the other hand is the most talented wrestler in the WWE who hasnt held a singles title. I think he could have a great feud with CCC or Chavo. I wouldnt be too interested in him feuding with BIlly Kidman tho.

Kurt Angle - Greatest wrestler of all time. Best ability, and one of the most charismatic wrestlers i've ever seen. Everyne talks about how great he is as a heel. However, I think he is great as a face. He has that real genuine, hero look about him. Either way, he's the greatest of all time!

Chris Benoit - Benoit is awesome. However, on a recent ep of raw (when eugene cut some fans hair), they only showed about a minute of benoit, and half of that time was just smiling at the "lovable Eugene". i mean, JEEEZZZUSSSS, this guy is intensity personified, yet doing crap like that makes him look like a glorified babysitter.

Chris Jericho - Great wrestler. he is very competent and is a real funny bastard. Hope he can get the world title once more, but I dont think he will

Booker T - my favourite wrestler atm. I love his promos, which seem like he's about to fuck up at any time, but it always sounds great. The rock weakened Booker T, Austin built the grave and HHH buried him. He should not have lost to Rock at Invasion (i think). Austin didnt help him out, and HHH was just being a cunt like always. HOWEVER, he will get the world title next year (or retire)

[My Final Heaven]

He kidnapped Mango

[BLaZeR-]

Randy Orton makes me change the channel whenever he's on.

I wish death upon Vince McMahon.

Austin is overrated and boring, and I hate when people talk about Triple H holding down talent without mentioning Austin also.

I'm a huge Nash mark. (Yeah I know he sucks in the ring, but still.)

I miss WCW.

I enjoy Heidenreich and Kenzo Suzuki when they're reading silly poems/making an ass out of themselves.

[Boondock Saint]

I want the McMahon family soap opera to return. That's right...I went there.

[Gouda]

I want Katie Vick to come back as a brain eating zombie out for revenge against Kane as well as HHH.

Think of the rating people!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Charlie Haas/Shelton Benjamin
I think it is unfair to compare these two to each other, in an attempt to decide which one is the better wrestler. To be honest, if Charlie was on RAW and Benjamin on SD!, we'd still be on the side of the SmackDown! guy. Charlie is at home in the big blue, while Benjamin seems to be renovating his style around the entertainment way of things. I personally think they should just let Benoit & Benjamin go in a #1 Contender's Match for the World Heavyweight Title on RAW. That match would be a classic, and add a little bit of SmackDown! flavour into the RAW record books.

Hulk Hogan
He is a legend. He pretty much rose wrestling to its status by himself. I welcome the man to do appearances on DVDs, and special events, but if he sticks aorund in the business too much longer, he will simply be referred to as a glory hog.

Bret Hart
In the world we live in, you do your job. That is how society rotates. Bret Hart didn't want to lose the championship in his hometown? Tough. In the WWE, if Vince McMahon asks you to do the job in your hometown you go "Yeah, sure Mr. McMahon.", you don't winge and complain. Bret iwll always be a legendary wrestler and an inconic technical wonder, but he should have done the job at Survivor Series '97.

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Bret Hart In the world we live in, you do your job. That is how society rotates. Bret Hart didn't want to lose the championship in his hometown? Tough. In the WWE, if Vince McMahon asks you to do the job in your hometown you go "Yeah, sure Mr. McMahon.", you don't winge and complain. Bret iwll always be a legendary wrestler and an inconic technical wonder, but he should have done the job at Survivor Series '97.

i agree.
people always say that shawn is a bastard, that he wouldnt job to anyone.
so by that rationale, if someone steals from me, then i should be allowed to steal from someone else

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Aussie_Skier i agree. people always say that shawn is a bastard, that he wouldnt job to anyone. so by that rationale, if someone steals from me, then i should be allowed to steal from someone else

100% correct. Shawn Michaels has really elevated a lot of guys on RAW, just by working with them, and if he didn't want to do the job to other people, I really don't see much evidence, simply because Bret Hart not wanting to job is evident, and we all saw what happened when a big name refused to job then, didn't we?

I'm not saying Shawn is perfect and Bret is the opposite, I'm just saying that in this day and age you do your job, and if you don't there are consequences. Sometimes they relate to yourself, others they relate to other people. Shawn Michaels & Earl Hebner both did their jobs, and still are to this day. Saying Bret Hart is the good guy in this scenario is blind, simply because he's the only one who really didn't do his part, and that let him down.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Aussie_Skier i agree. people always say that shawn is a bastard, that he wouldnt job to anyone. so by that rationale, if someone steals from me, then i should be allowed to steal from someone else

Sorry but if someone who had gone back on his word and refused not only to drop a world title to me but refused to work with my whole family, I'd probably refused to do a job to him too.

And for the record, Shawn Michaels has the record of number of titles lost without stepping in a wrestling ring.

[CosaNostra]

Originally Posted by Rob And for the record, Shawn Michaels has the record of number of titles lost without stepping in a wrestling ring.

Yeah, "I lost my smile". He'd rather be stripped of a title then job it to someone. Thats pathetic.

[Sting Fan]

Ok first of all Bret and Shawn were both to blame, there is plenty of blame to go between both of them and another whole portion for Vince who in his defense was defending his livelyhood. Just my opinion.

Second of all Bret Hart is good but I have never realy been a massive fan of his but I can see the appeal to others. HBK on the other hand I have never seen anything out of him I liked, and I doubt I will his in ring stlye bugs the shit out of me.

Big Show is cool and I have always marked out for him. A-Train is much better than many give him credit for, I cant say I have ever marked out for him but he is solid. Flair annoys me no end, in an X-Pac kind of way. Batista is very good at what he does and if given more time could be better, and lastly I will always be a WCW mark but for gods sake let it die please.

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by Sting Fan BA-Train is much better than many give him credit for, I cant say I have ever marked out for him but he is solid.

YES!

A-train is not superb...of course. BUT, he is very solid, and he really works his arse off. against a good wrestler, he can have a really top match
he does screw up a bit tho, like against benoit at no mercy

[Mayo]

Let's not make this into another Montreal Screwjob thread please

[Loose Cannon]

Okay, first time I saw this thread. I'm just going to shut my mouth on Montreal because I just about argued it as best as I can in other threads. People's views won't change, so whatever. Rob basically summed up the facts nicely though.

On HBK: (not regarding Monteal) First off, people who say he's past his prime and shoulnd't be wrestling anymore need to stop and look around for a second. HBK is Top 4 preformers/entertainers/wrestlers in the WWE right now. Jericho and Benoit and Christian are the other 3. When I hear HBK is wrestling on RAW that night, I sit and watch and never change the channel.

HBK has been having better matches this year then almost all the guys on the roster. HBK makes guys, who are not that great, watchable and can go with just about anyone. You better believe they need HBK in there right now. He'll do the job if asked right now, or so I understand, unlike his other buddy. Putting him in a program with Christian, which they seemed to ahve dropped or something, can do wonders for Christian. He needs to take on HBK at Mania or one of the "Big" PPV's.

[Rob]

I don't know how people can say he is past his prime. He was just this good in the mid 90's. His agility was a bit better back then but his emotion is 10 times better now.

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by Rob I don't know how people can say he is past his prime. He was just this good in the mid 90's. His agility was a bit better back then but his emotion is 10 times better now.

the reason i dislike him is because every match is the same, he gets beaten down, bleeds, hulks up, fights back, elbow off the top, SCM.

i don't know why people say he is wrestling so well...all he ever does is get the shit beaten through him.

and he is no where near as good as the mid 90's, come on! i dont see him doing hurricaranas anymore

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think HBK is past his prime. Not that far past it, though. HBK is booked to be a big star on RAW today, just like he was back in 1998, and he can still wrestle a great match, and everything said about HBK being one of the top performers in the company today are correct, but I feel he is out of his prime.

I think it would be best if the company wasn't based around HBK (which is the way it is now, whic his smart). HBK is like the cake with extra icing. He's a better performer/wrestler than 3/4 of the roster (both RAW & SD!), but he shouldn't depended on too much, because that's when he's going to let someone down if he isn't there. Michaels is best used when he's doing something important, but if he broke his leg one day, the company wouldn't be in too much trouble.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really like Billy Gunn & Hardcore Holly. While I don't really expect either to be WWE Champion soon, I'd love to see them both get a United States Championship reign, and maybe a good run as a tag team. They've been loyal to the company, and aren't THAT bad in the ring. Everyone makes out they're not over and can't do anything in the ring, but both put so much energy into their matches, and both are over enough to be recognizable talent of SmackDown!.

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I think HBK is past his prime. Not that far past it, though. HBK is booked to be a big star on RAW today, just like he was back in 1998, and he can still wrestle a great match, and everything said about HBK being one of the top performers in the company today are correct, but I feel he is out of his prime. I think it would be best if the company wasn't based around HBK (which is the way it is now, whic his smart). HBK is like the cake with extra icing. He's a better performer/wrestler than 3/4 of the roster (both RAW & SD!), but he shouldn't depended on too much, because that's when he's going to let someone down if he isn't there. Michaels is best used when he's doing something important, but if he broke his leg one day, the company wouldn't be in too much trouble.

not to laugh...but he sorta has broken his leg hasnt he?
well, torn cartlidge at least

[The One]

Here are some more that I thought of...

Shawn Michaels - Still entertains the hell out of me.

X-Pac - I always liked him, I think he is fun to watch and never once thought he got his due.

Triple H - I enjoy his matches...usually...and for the most part I tend to agree he is by FAR the biggest name on RAW, so by that logic he does deserve the title.

The Rock - Good for him that he is making movies and having a good time with his life.

Vince McMahon - Got lucky, had half a dozen good ideas and was in the right place at the right time when they worked for him.

Eric Bischoff - Fucking brilliant. I would 1000 times over work for Bischoff then McMahon...and no I don't consider anything he did while head of WCW wrong, immoral, unethical, or dirty...just business.

Mick Foley - I don't care if you call him a stunt man or a wrestler...I think he is one of the greatest performers I have ever seen.

Chris Benoit - Not as great as everyone thinks.

Paul Heyman - WWF might have stolen ECW ideas, but ECW stole Japan's ideas...not a good business man, not a good promoter, and was in charge of ECW during it's worst parts.

George Bush - Better choice then Kerry

[Tornado]

I don't see why everyone worships Booker T so much. He bores the crap out of me.

Christian has the potential to be a HUGE superstar.

Randy Orton sucks as a face right now. With the correct push, he could be a major heel.

John Cena has potential, but I see his rapper gimmick getting very old, very fast.

I have enjoyed JBL's title reign so far.

I really, REALLY wish The Rock could come back full time.

AJ Styles is, simply put, phenominal.

HBK has proved he can still go.

Montreal was 7 years ago, people need to drop it.

Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit and Eddie should be the focus of the WWE.

[McLegend]

HBK is past his prime. He is a shadow of what he use to be in the ring. With that said his matches are sill entertaining, but we have seen him in those matches a 100 times. He should of just came back for HHH streetfight then he should of left. He shouldn't be one of the contenders for World tittle.

[Chuck Jones]

John Cena: If he's so stale, why are people still cheering him?

The possibility of Orton/Cena @ Wrestlemania 21: WAYYY Too early for that match. It'll flop.

Internet fans: Don't know shit about wrestling.

Orton: Has improved a lot. Used to be the one I hated the most.

I'm enjoying Snitsky. A lot of people complained about him beating Kane. Its called building up a new star, people!

Kane is a lost cause.

Taboo Tuesday was a fun PPV to watch.

JBL is a good champion.

Lance Storm: Don't see why he should been a World champion. Don't get me wrong, his wrestling skills are top-notch, but he doesn't put asses in seats.

Ric Flair: Most overrated man in sports entertainment.

Dean Malenko: Probably the best technical wrestler of the last decade, IMO.

Vince McMahon: The smartest man in the business.

Paul Heyman: If he is such a genius, how did he become $40,000,000 in debt? And why isn't ECW around anymore?

ECW: Pots and pans wrestling. Overrated

Sabu: Will be lucky to walk in 20 years. Not the most insane man in wrestling as people like to call him. That title goes to "Sick" Nick Mondo.

Oh, Nick Mondo is coming out of retirement for one last match for IPW:UK on November 21. I'm seriously considering travelling to England just to see that.

X-Pac: The person may suck, but his skills don't

Dudleys: Stale. Need repackaging. Big time.

RVD: don't get me wrong, the man has talent. He had a unique style, and it helped him out for many years. Put him with a guy like HHH or Austin, he's good. Put him with a guy like Dupree, he's all over the place. Stale.

[Scarface]

I hate Chavo, he got no heat at all as a heel (so bad I expected tumbleweed to float across my tv screen) and thats sadder than X-Pacs crowd reactions. Plus hes a sucky wrestler.

Although if he's popular as a face, maybe he'll stop being lame.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Scarface I hate Chavo, he got no heat at all as a heel (so bad I expected tumbleweed to float across my tv screen) and thats sadder than X-Pacs crowd reactions. Plus hes a sucky wrestler. Although if he's popular as a face, maybe he'll stop being lame.

I disagree, Chavo's toned it down a bit, and his promo on SmackDown! shows he has nerves, but the thought of Kidman/London/Mysterio/Guerrero in a cruiserweight Fatal Fourway, possibly for the CW Title gives me a mental orgasm.

I always thought Chavo seemed like the nice guy in wrestling, and I really hate the way when he plays the heel there is a bias towards him. Michael Cole wets himself whenever Eddie Guerrero crushes the dreams of some young kid by beating him unfairly in the ring, but when Chavo defeats some veteran of the business like Mysertio, who's likely going to recover from the loss, Guerrero is the worse man on the face of the planet. One day I'm hoping for Tazz or Jerry Lawler to jump down the throat of the face commentator who doesn't use logic int heir accusations.

[Evil Vito]

I've always found Bret Hart to be somewhat overrated. He's a great talent, no doubt, but, more often than not I've found myself bored with his matches. Basically, I think he needs to have an opponent that I care about for me to give a shit about any of his matches.

[Angelina2K]

Many of these have been said, but I'm gonna say them again anyway

-People should get over Montreal, it was 7 years ago, enough already.

-Edge is over rated, and has seriously failed to entertain me in the months he's been back

-I want to smack the smug look of Randy Orton's face everytime I see him. Yet somehow I like the guy

-I enjoy watching JBL as champion, his character has done nothing but entertain me.

-I'm sick of people bitching about Vince McMahon. I like the WWE

-I miss Stephanie McMahon

-I enjoy watching HHH wrestle (not talk), most of the time.

-Ric Flair should put a shirt on and still to managing Batista and H

-I don't like TNA, I just can't get into them. I guess this makes me a WWE mark

-I like Big Show, he can always make me laugh.

-Hogan, I never liked the guy. I will never like the guy, but I will give him credit where credit is due when it comes to making the business 'what it is today' as long as he stays away from my TV screen

-I like Eric Bischoff, he is one of the best things about Raw

-Shawn Michaels still rules, would love to see another heel run for him.

-I dislike Booker T, he bored me to death, always has, I don't get what people see in him either.

-I loved Taboo Tuesday, It was as very fun to watch

Originally Posted by BLaZeR- I enjoy Heidenreich and Kenzo Suzuki when they're reading silly poems/making an ass out of themselves.

totally agree

Originally Posted by Scarface I hate Chavo, he got no heat at all as a heel (so bad I expected tumbleweed to float across my tv screen) and thats sadder than X-Pacs crowd reactions. Plus hes a sucky wrestler. Although if he's popular as a face, maybe he'll stop being lame.

I couldn't have said it better myself. That is exactly how I feel about Chavo

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Jerry Lynn is overrated. He has some good moves, but he has the personality of a turd.

Kane isn't misused. VADER was misused.

Bret Hart is not the best there ever will be. In fact, given the choice between Bret making a fully healthy 100% comeback, and The Rock coming abck fulltime, I'd take the Rock.

Heidenreich has some badass music.

Kenzo Suzuki isn't horrible

I like Shelton Benjamin's finisher

I find Gene Snitsky's dead baby jokes hilarious.

I've never liked Billy Gunn, Bob Holly, or half the 90's WCW roster.

I love watching Rey Mysterio get his ass kicked.

Jamie Noble bored the fuck out of me, and I don't give two shits that he's gone.

Ric Flair deserves a world title run more than the Undertaker.

[GODSON]

Regal is overrated, never had a great match in the WWE and WCW. Don't bring up Indy stuff.

Ted Dibiase overrated, never did anything special and suck after 92

Storm is extremely overrated, He suck in the WWE, Was fun in WCW and ECW is not for real wrestling

Jericho should never win the World title again, his last title reign was the worst in recent history. Even JBL is a more entertaining champion.

Austin made Hitman the complete package

Sid had many classic matches, Sid vs.HBK,Wargames 91, Sid vs.Benoit,more than Regal and Storm combine.

TNA is the real deal, stop hating

Canada and UK fans is too biased.

AUSTIN IS THE GREATEST WRESTLER EVER

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by GODSON Jericho should never win the World title again, his last title reign was the worst in recent history. Even JBL is a more entertaining champion. AUSTIN IS THE GREATEST WRESTLER EVER

must......resist....urge....to....kill.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Originally Posted by GODSON Canada and UK fans is too biased.

We is?