R.I.P. Reggie White

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Yeah, Sleep apnea is a sleep disorder a lot of people suffer from. It basically causes you to stop breathing in your sleep like BCWWF said, but usually carbon dioxide in the blood rises and causes the person to be aroused again. This happens almost a hundred times a night. But in Reggie's case, he probably had a severe form of Apnea and his heart finally couldn't take it anymore.

I think about 15 wrestlers had "sleeping disorders" too.

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Rain Man Wow watching some highlights of him.. He was awesome

You are a newcomer to football, yes?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Originally Posted by Rob I think about 15 wrestlers had "sleeping disorders" too.

WOW bringing up Steriod talk is pretty stupid here, so isn't bringing up pro wrestling too.

[Moonax]

Why is it stupid to talk about steriods?

Seemingly healthy athletic young man dies suddenly. You should be asking questions.

It seems to me that you are being somewhat stupid to bury your head in the sand.

[Buzzkill]

Sleep apnea is a serious condition and it is quite possible to die from it at that age. I seriously doubt he was on roids

[The Icon of Elisim]

Originally Posted by Moonax Why is it stupid to talk about steriods? Seemingly healthy athletic young man dies suddenly. You should be asking questions. It seems to me that you are being somewhat stupid to bury your head in the sand.

Its a respect thing. From what I understand he was a standup guy who doesn't deserve to have his name attached to something like drugs.

When a guy like Ken Caminiti dies at 40 its different to talk like that but I just find it disrespectful to talk that way about someone that showed no indication of doing drugs.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 WOW bringing up Steriod talk is pretty stupid here, so isn't bringing up pro wrestling too.

Moonax already made the point. Believe that young fit athlete die early in life for no real reasons if you like though.

It's nothing to do with being a stand up guy. I don't recall anyone other than Bret Hart (when he was super pissed) saying a bad word about Davey Boy Smith but his death was related to steroids whether people want to admit it or not. Do you think it's common for professional athletes to have enlarged hearts?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Ok so every athlete that dies young is now going to be associated with 'roids? To me it would make sense that a guy that big would have heart problems.

[Rob]

Of course they will. Because young healthy athletes just don't drop dead. They just don't. One or two is a long shot but this many? No, sorry but no.

Drug testing in U.S sports is the shits and we all know it. It ain't much better in Europe but it's better. The IAAF have it as well as anyone in pro sports. They pretty find out what athletes use to hide steroid use or what they use instead. Hence why the likes of Marion Jones, Kelli White, Dwain Chambers and Tim Montgomery are in deep shit now.

[BCWWF]

Also note that I didn't accuse anybody, I asked if they played a part well before they released the cause of death to the public

[VonErich Lives]

Who said reggie white was "Healthy" most DL and OL are over weight and not just muscle and after they retire they have trouble dropping the non-muscle weight and work out less. Every interview I've seen he's looked just as big or bigger then he did when he played, so let's not assume how "healthy" he was.

but, anything is possible, I still remember the "shock" in Boston when Reggie Lewies died and it came out his heart had damage from Coccaine.

[Rob]

Because you are overweight, that doesn't mean you aren't healthy.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rob Because you are overweight, that doesn't mean you aren't healthy.

Yes and no.

Depends on what you define as health.

Does it always mean heart disease no.

But carrying extra weight, no muscle has many effects on the body, not just heart possibilties.

But when it all comes down to it, everyone is making assumptions about something they know nothing about.

No one knows how bad his sleep apnea was. No on knows if he did roids, or had high blood pressure, etc... etc...

Just seems to me when someone dies, to bring up accusations is disrespectful. Especially when there was no history to back it up.

There could be many reasons why he died, maybe he did coke? maybe he used needles? maybe he... and maybe he didn't.

[Rob]

You are within your rights to think it's disrespectful just as others are to think there was more to it. If there isn't then ok but if there is, things can be and should be done to prevent stuff like this happening to athletes in the future. However, just like some ignorant people here, people don't want to believe it's a possibility or that it's just confinde to pro wrestling and since that's the bastard son of sports, it doesn't count.

[Kid Robb]

RIP Reggie White

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rob You are within your rights to think it's disrespectful just as others are to think there was more to it. If there isn't then ok but if there is, things can be and should be done to prevent stuff like this happening to athletes in the future. However, just like some ignorant people here, people don't want to believe it's a possibility or that it's just confinde to pro wrestling and since that's the bastard son of sports, it doesn't count.

What should be done to prevent?

If a person knows the risks but still wants the benefits shouldn't they still be allowed?

I mean, a woman can have an abortion, people can risk lung cancer w/ smoking, liver disease w/ drinking, all these things we have choices over our own body...

But then you reach a point "oh no, you can't do that".

Sometimes I think the gov't should just legalise and tax all drugs and make suicide legal while your at it... that's one I never got... it's against the law to take your own life...

[Rob]

More money pumped into drug testing in sports. There ain't anyway anyone will ever convince me that any athelte is worth a $130 million salary. Instead of over paying these big kids, invest some of that money into the futrue of the sport and the well being off the athletes involved. Problem is that it doesn't matter if it's the NFL, MLB or Vince McMahon, they are all of the opinion that if he doesn't affect you personally, don't worry about it.

[BCWWF]

Watching the Sports Center highlights today something came to mind, how come it was possible for Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth to hit that many home runs but Barry Bonds can't possibly do it without performance inhancers?

[Loose Cannon]

yeah, I brought that up before and yeah, they might have used some drugs. You have to remember though, it probably wasn't illegal when Ruth played.

[Rob]

Well some ex footballers here in England have mentioned foolishly that they did drugs back in the day before games so it's definately possible. Still need to be caught to be punished. Obviously it's getting to the point where next to no drug testing is leading to deaths though (not saying this example for sure but there are others).

Also remember sports have evolved hugely over the years and the quality that Ruth played against is probably well below what Bonds played against.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Originally Posted by BCWWF Watching the Sports Center highlights today something came to mind, how come it was possible for Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth to hit that many home runs but Barry Bonds can't possibly do it without performance inhancers?

The game is much different now, thats the easy answer.

[BCWWF]

But I would have to assume that it is easier to hit a home run now then back in the day because the athletes are a lot stronger and there are some parks that barely have an outfield...but then again maybe the walls were closer then I think back then and the pitching was probably much easier to hit. Hmm, I need some sleep.

[Moonax]

Originally Posted by The Icon of Elisim Its a respect thing. From what I understand he was a standup guy who doesn't deserve to have his name attached to something like drugs. When a guy like Ken Caminiti dies at 40 its different to talk like that but I just find it disrespectful to talk that way about someone that showed no indication of doing drugs.

Fair enough. However, I do have a problem with people glibbly 'showing respect' by intoning R.I.P because it is the expected thing to do.

Tell me why is it that so many athletes seem to die relatively young? As with wrestling at what point are people going to sit up and take notice and start to do something about it.

To me it is far more disrespectful to carry on turning a blind eye to drug abuse by sportsmen and women (irresepctive of whether or not Reggie White used drugs) and allowing them to die young because of our worshipping of the home run or the sack.

What's it going to take? Lance Armstrong dying? HHH dying? Hogan dying? Barry Bonds dying? Don't you think Giambi getting cancer was enough of a warning sign?

I remember when there was the topic about whether or not the home run record should have an asterix and how many people said that it was because of better conditioning that Bonds could hit so many HRs. Funny how this season there was almost a 33% drop off in the number of HRs hit in the same season as testing began.

Maybe Reggie White never touched a drug in his life. That isn't the point. The point is that former athletes are dying prematurely and to not ask why, and to not try as fans to change our attitudes towards what we expect of athletes is frankly far more disrepectful than highlighting the fact that ANOTHER athlete has died seemingly before their time.