Moss wants a trade - Page 2

**The Icon of Elisim** · 01-24-2005, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Bears could use him.

Of course the Bears could use him but you rarely see a player traded within the same division, can't think of any big players aside from Bledsoe

**BCWWF** · 01-24-2005, 01:26 PM

Also regarding the Bears, they are probably going to be drafting a wide reciever this year. The top guys being Mike Williams and the guy from Michigan I think it is? If the Bears got Mike Williams then #1 WWE Fan might get some credibility next year, I'm not too familiar with the other guy.

**The Outlaw** · 01-24-2005, 01:57 PM

Braylon Edwards.

Beast...

**Mister Sinister** · 01-25-2005, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Moss for Adwale Ogunlea, Chris Chambers, and a first round DP

Wide Recivers aren't the Dolphins problems anyways, I mean as great as Randy Moss may actually be, and yes he is a great receiver, He isn't better then the combined Talent, atleast by himself that the Dolphins have at Wideout...I mean Chris Chambers, a great but underused talent, Marty Booker, a Above Average Wideout and David Boston who will be ready to play next year....Plus Miami just needs a QB who can actually get them the ball and a running back, and you could have a Offense there that could rival the Colts....

**BCWWF** · 01-25-2005, 02:46 AM

Thats what the article said, I wouldn't think the Dolphins would still do that either.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-25-2005, 03:26 AM

That and the new Phins coach is from the Belicheck mold, there also good friends. I wouldn't think he'd take on a moss. In contract or attitude.

**BCWWF** · 01-25-2005, 01:36 PM

Moss to the Eagles for Trotter, Pinkston, and 3rd Round DP

**VonErich Lives** · 01-25-2005, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Moss to the Eagles for Trotter, Pinkston, and 3rd Round DP

Pinkston has Aligator arms and I doubt you'd see moss in any deal w/o either a 1st round or multiple picks in round #2.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-25-2005, 06:36 PM

although, the idea of two of the biggest WR Ego's in the league on the same team would be funny...

**BCWWF** · 01-25-2005, 07:21 PM

They would seriously be unstoppable. Think of the running game

**BCWWF** · 02-10-2005, 12:22 PM

Moss won't be traded.

The AP has a new article out, but if you read much you can see that most of what Duante is quoted as was taken slightly out of context. Moss now said in an interview with KFAN that he doesn't want to be traded, and this is the first time he spoke of the issue.

I honestly don't think the Vikings have been seriously looking to trade him at any point. He probably wouldn't have even been fined for the mooning incident at Green Bay if Joe Buck didn't freak out.

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Moss infuriated his teammates and coaches by walking off the field when the Vikings attempted an onside kick with 2 seconds left in the regular season finale at Washington.

And though he played with a sprained ankle in the postseason, he drew more ire -- and a $10,000 fine from the NFL -- for pretending to moon Green Bay fans after scoring the final touchdown in Minnesota's playoff victory at Lambeau Field.

I think infuriated is a bit of a strong word, unless he is talking about the Fox announcers. It didn't seem to be as big of a deal to anybody on the team as it was for Cris Collinsworth, Joe Buck, and the other guys on Fox. The mooning incident most likely had ABSOLUTELY no affect on anybody inside the Vikings organization...

"OMG Moss just PRETENDED to pull down his pants towards the Packers crowd...GET HIM OUT OF HERE NOW!"

I don't think so.

And finally, there is no deal out there that would offer the Vikings enough to go through with trading Moss. They will try to give you numbers from this year, but they coincidently don't emphasize that he missed games and played all of two snaps in some others due to injuries, nor do they mention that when he was healthy he was the obvious best reciever in the league. They don't need to get rid of him, he didn't hurt them when he was healthy, so unless something spectacular comes on the table I don't see him going anywhere.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-10-2005, 12:54 PM

Never say never, moss has no say in it. If they want to move him, they will.

Last poster to say someone would never be delt, just on his opinion not stories - Dave Wadding about Randy Johnson. Now, while Dave was right on the timing (it didn't happen at the trade deadline) it did eventually happen.

So, you may have just jinxed away your best WR.

**BCWWF** · 02-10-2005, 01:07 PM

This is a media story right now, and not so much an actual story though. There is little evidence that they are even considering it as of right now.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-10-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

This is a media story right now, and not so much an actual story though. There is little evidence that they are even considering it as of right now.

and little evidence they're not.

No one new about the Dillon deal till after it was done, now most teams aren't as "media silent" as the Pats, but maybe people are starting to learn.

Also, I'm not saying he will be, I'm just saying we have little chance of actually knowing, just thinking we do.

**BCWWF** · 02-10-2005, 02:57 PM

Well the reasons why they would trade him are quite obvious now, so of course I am not going to rule it out, but he doesn't have the "Trade me or else" sticker that TO did, so he would still demand a very hefty price tag and the Raiders definately don't have it. Maybe the Ravens or the Jets, but its unlikely they would be willing to give it up.

Vikings will trade Onterrio Smith for Charles Woodson

**Rain Man** · 02-10-2005, 06:18 PM

He says he would like to play in Atlanta with Vick.. Don't know why? But I think he will end up in Baltimore.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-10-2005, 06:37 PM

Interesting, Culpeper said Moss is his friend but he doesn't know how much more the Vikes will put up with.

The the Vikes can deal him for some top picks and then sign a FA like Burress it would be huge for the team.

**BCWWF** · 02-10-2005, 07:03 PM

When has he ever said that he wants to go to Atlanta? He was quoted today...the first public comments since the loss to Philly...and what he said is that he wants to stay on the Vikings. Like VEL said, that doesn't mean he will for sure stay, but whoever told you that Atlanta thing was either completely lying or else taking something completely out of context. I am sure that Duante's comments to that AP reporter were not made in the light they come off in the article either.

Who would the Ravens trade for Moss? It would have to be one of their good defenders and a draft pick at least. It seems like they have a bunch of top guys that are really young, and I couldn't see them dealing a Suggs type guy.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-10-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

When has he ever said that he wants to go to Atlanta? He was quoted today...the first public comments since the loss to Philly...and what he said is that he wants to stay on the Vikings. Like VEL said, that doesn't mean he will for sure stay, but whoever told you that Atlanta thing was either completely lying or else taking something completely out of context. I am sure that Duante's comments to that AP reporter were not made in the light they come off in the article either.

Who would the Ravens trade for Moss? It would have to be one of their good defenders and a draft pick at least. It seems like they have a bunch of top guys that are really young, and I couldn't see them dealing a Suggs type guy.

How about Ray Lewis? The guys on the downside of his career, and no, barking and yelling before the game doesn't make tackles.

Mike most MLB he runs holes and takes chances, last year he seemed to be off his game and even got knocked around a bit.

That being said, could be a great fit to teach the younger players on the Vikes and still has some good year ahead of him.

**BCWWF** · 02-10-2005, 09:08 PM

I just couldn't imagine the Ravens doing that, I would love to have him on the Vikes no doubt (Would prolly rather have Moss still), but he is still a good player and is really the face of their team. Who knows though, the NFL

**The Icon of Elisim** · 02-11-2005, 06:31 PM

I dunno how anyone could think that a Lewis for Moss trade would be realistic. Lewis is a leader and a proven winner, Moss hasn't shown much of either of those.

If the Ravens trade Lewis then their defense takes a much bigger slide than the loss of his stats alone would imply.

**BCWWF** · 02-11-2005, 07:03 PM

I agree. I don't think that Ray Lewis could do for the Vikings what he does for the Ravens, and likewise with Randy Moss. The name on TV today was Terrell Suggs, but he is so young it would surprise me. Who do the Jets have?

**BCWWF** · 02-11-2005, 07:05 PM

As for the Raiders, yeah he could do tremendous things for their team, but what do the Raiders have to offer the Vikings? I don't think they have the defensive player that the Vikes are looking for.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-11-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Icon of Elisim

I dunno how anyone could think that a Lewis for Moss trade would be realistic. Lewis is a leader and a proven winner, Moss hasn't shown much of either of those.

If the Ravens trade Lewis then their defense takes a much bigger slide than the loss of his stats alone would imply.

Proven winner? Yeah, so is Dilfer then since he was the QB on the superbowl winner. Since that superbowl win, they had made the playoffs twice, winning the division once and haven't made another AFC championship game, I think they only have 1 playoff win?

That being said, while some would say you don't trade the "face" of your team, that may make you feel warm, but it doesn't make good business sense.

He's going to be 30 years old this year, had a great 2003 and good 2004.

He's value is incredible right now and how no where to go but down.

This is when you deal a guy, when they are worth they're most, yeah, he'll have some good years for another team, but if you can improve and get someone younger you do it.

I'm not saying they will deal Lewis of Moss, it was an example of who they could deal. I think Dealing Suggs for Moss would be a bad deal, and to be honest, until Bollier steps it up or they get a new QB, I don't know how much a top 5 WR will help.

I see Moss getting all pissy because Bollier doesn't get him the ball enough.

**BCWWF** · 02-12-2005, 12:54 AM

The value of Moss is too high for any of the perspective teams to take. They either don't have what it takes to get him or else won't be willing to give it up. I think he will stay, they draft a good DB or LB, and sign whichever one they don't draft and they'll be just fine.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-12-2005, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

The value of Moss is too high for any of the perspective teams to take. They either don't have what it takes to get him or else won't be willing to give it up. I think he will stay, they draft a good DB or LB, and sign whichever one they don't draft and they'll be just fine.

Untill moss throws another hissy fit and walks off or sprays a ref with a water bottle.

If Moss doesn't "grow up" he will go do as one of the biggest wastes of potential.

**BCWWF** · 02-12-2005, 05:29 PM

That is a laughable comment VEL. Him walking off the field offended the media more then it did his team. Before he did that he hadn't had any problems in like two years. And its not like walking off the field hurt the team, since the next week they upset the Packers at Lambeau. He isn't wasting his talent, he was playing at his highest ability until he got injured, and it showed because the Vikings were really good when he was healthy. To say that he is a waste of talent because of stupid off the field issues is just stupid.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-12-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

That is a laughable comment VEL. Him walking off the field offended the media more then it did his team. Before he did that he hadn't had any problems in like two years. And its not like walking off the field hurt the team, since the next week they upset the Packers at Lambeau. He isn't wasting his talent, he was playing at his highest ability until he got injured, and it showed because the Vikings were really good when he was healthy. To say that he is a waste of talent because of stupid off the field issues is just stupid.

He's a waste of talent because he does things for himself and not for the team and his "off the field" issues as you called them, which seem to happen on the field hurt the team.

Someday maybe he'll grow up, some do, some don't (See: Terry Glenn).

**BCWWF** · 02-12-2005, 08:54 PM

Would you say the same thing about TO though? The stuff he does isn't quite the same as Moss, but he's had some off field issues too.

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Would you say the same thing about TO though? The stuff he does isn't quite the same as Moss, but he's had some off field issues too.

TO isn't a thug like Moss

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 01:15 AM

TO blew up at his offensive coordinator on national TV, talked shit against his team in the media all the time, repeatedly calls his old quarterback gay, demanded a trade, and has had various celebrations that have offended not only Joe Buck, but also other players and fans.

I like TO, but its not like Moss is some criminal compared to TO. He squirted a water bottle at a ref, big deal, I'm sure that didn't affect the outcome of that game. He was taken out of context saying "I play when I want to play". Thats bad but nothing worse then what TO did in his final years in SF. He pretended to pull his pants down as a touchdown celebration, that affects nobody. The two bad things that he did were walk off the field with two seconds left, which I personally accept his excuse, and drive down the street with some bitch traffic cop sitting on his hood. I don't think any of that has affected his onfield play as much as its getting credit for.

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 01:17 AM

BCWWF you write too much

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 01:18 AM

Well its obvious that you don't read into anybody elses opinions anyway, so why should I care if you dislike my posting style?

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 01:19 AM

Who said I disliked anything??

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 01:21 AM

I don't know, I just felt like acting like a dick.

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 01:24 AM

BCWWF your a fucking smart guy I'm just a lazy fuck who can't read because I'm from Philadelphia.. So that is why I'm a dick

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 01:25 AM

I thought you were VEL, sorry :hehe:

**Rain Man** · 02-13-2005, 01:28 AM

I hope I'm not like VEL who makes everyone want to put a gun to their head when I post anything

**BCWWF** · 02-13-2005, 01:32 AM

I

VEL

**VonErich Lives** · 02-13-2005, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I hope I'm not like VEL who makes everyone want to put a gun to their head when I post anything

Yeah, nice avatar.

01-24-2005, 01:26 PM	#42
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Also regarding the Bears, they are probably going to be drafting a wide reciever this year. The top guys being Mike Williams and the guy from Michigan I think it is? If the Bears got Mike Williams then #1 WWE Fan might get some credibility next year, I'm not too familiar with the other guy.

01-24-2005, 01:57 PM	#43
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Braylon Edwards. Beast...

01-25-2005, 02:46 AM	#45
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Thats what the article said, I wouldn't think the Dolphins would still do that either.

01-25-2005, 03:26 AM	#46
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	That and the new Phins coach is from the Belicheck mold, there also good friends. I wouldn't think he'd take on a moss. In contract or attitude.

01-25-2005, 01:36 PM	#47
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Moss to the Eagles for Trotter, Pinkston, and 3rd Round DP

01-25-2005, 06:36 PM	#49
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	although, the idea of two of the biggest WR Ego's in the league on the same team would be funny...

01-25-2005, 07:21 PM	#50
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	They would seriously be unstoppable. Think of the running game

02-10-2005, 12:54 PM	#52
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Never say never, moss has no say in it. If they want to move him, they will. Last poster to say someone would never be delt, just on his opinion not stories - Dave Wadding about Randy Johnson. Now, while Dave was right on the timing (it didn't happen at the trade deadline) it did eventually happen. So, you may have just jinxed away your best WR.

02-10-2005, 01:07 PM	#53
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	This is a media story right now, and not so much an actual story though. There is little evidence that they are even considering it as of right now.

02-10-2005, 02:57 PM	#55
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Well the reasons why they would trade him are quite obvious now, so of course I am not going to rule it out, but he doesn't have the "Trade me or else" sticker that TO did, so he would still demand a very hefty price tag and the Raiders definately don't have it. Maybe the Ravens or the Jets, but its unlikely they would be willing to give it up. Vikings will trade Onterrio Smith for Charles Woodson

02-10-2005, 06:18 PM	#56
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	He says he would like to play in Atlanta with Vick.. Don't know why? But I think he will end up in Baltimore.

02-10-2005, 06:37 PM	#57
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Interesting, Culpeper said Moss is his friend but he doesn't know how much more the Vikes will put up with. The the Vikes can deal him for some top picks and then sign a FA like Burress it would be huge for the team.

02-10-2005, 07:03 PM	#58
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	When has he ever said that he wants to go to Atlanta? He was quoted today...the first public comments since the loss to Philly...and what he said is that he wants to stay on the Vikings. Like VEL said, that doesn't mean he will for sure stay, but whoever told you that Atlanta thing was either completely lying or else taking something completely out of context. I am sure that Duante's comments to that AP reporter were not made in the light they come off in the article either. Who would the Ravens trade for Moss? It would have to be one of their good defenders and a draft pick at least. It seems like they have a bunch of top guys that are really young, and I couldn't see them dealing a Suggs type guy.

02-10-2005, 09:08 PM	#60
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I just couldn't imagine the Ravens doing that, I would love to have him on the Vikes no doubt (Would prolly rather have Moss still), but he is still a good player and is really the face of their team. Who knows though, the NFL

02-11-2005, 06:31 PM	#61
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	I dunno how anyone could think that a Lewis for Moss trade would be realistic. Lewis is a leader and a proven winner, Moss hasn't shown much of either of those. If the Ravens trade Lewis then their defense takes a much bigger slide than the loss of his stats alone would imply.

02-11-2005, 07:03 PM	#62
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I agree. I don't think that Ray Lewis could do for the Vikings what he does for the Ravens, and likewise with Randy Moss. The name on TV today was Terrell Suggs, but he is so young it would surprise me. Who do the Jets have?

02-11-2005, 07:05 PM	#63
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	As for the Raiders, yeah he could do tremendous things for their team, but what do the Raiders have to offer the Vikings? I don't think they have the defensive player that the Vikes are looking for.

02-12-2005, 12:54 AM	#65
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The value of Moss is too high for any of the perspective teams to take. They either don't have what it takes to get him or else won't be willing to give it up. I think he will stay, they draft a good DB or LB, and sign whichever one they don't draft and they'll be just fine.

02-12-2005, 05:29 PM	#67
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	That is a laughable comment VEL. Him walking off the field offended the media more then it did his team. Before he did that he hadn't had any problems in like two years. And its not like walking off the field hurt the team, since the next week they upset the Packers at Lambeau. He isn't wasting his talent, he was playing at his highest ability until he got injured, and it showed because the Vikings were really good when he was healthy. To say that he is a waste of talent because of stupid off the field issues is just stupid.

02-12-2005, 08:54 PM	#69
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Would you say the same thing about TO though? The stuff he does isn't quite the same as Moss, but he's had some off field issues too.

02-13-2005, 01:15 AM	#71
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	TO blew up at his offensive coordinator on national TV, talked shit against his team in the media all the time, repeatedly calls his old quarterback gay, demanded a trade, and has had various celebrations that have offended not only Joe Buck, but also other players and fans. I like TO, but its not like Moss is some criminal compared to TO. He squirted a water bottle at a ref, big deal, I'm sure that didn't affect the outcome of that game. He was taken out of context saying "I play when I want to play". Thats bad but nothing worse then what TO did in his final years in SF. He pretended to pull his pants down as a touchdown celebration, that affects nobody. The two bad things that he did were walk off the field with two seconds left, which I personally accept his excuse, and drive down the street with some bitch traffic cop sitting on his hood. I don't think any of that has affected his onfield play as much as its getting credit for.

02-13-2005, 01:17 AM	#72
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	BCWWF you write too much

02-13-2005, 01:18 AM	#73
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Well its obvious that you don't read into anybody elses opinions anyway, so why should I care if you dislike my posting style?

02-13-2005, 01:19 AM	#74
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	Who said I disliked anything??

02-13-2005, 01:21 AM	#75
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I don't know, I just felt like acting like a dick.

02-13-2005, 01:24 AM	#76
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	BCWWF your a fucking smart guy I'm just a lazy fuck who can't read because I'm from Philadelphia.. So that is why I'm a dick

02-13-2005, 01:25 AM	#77
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I thought you were VEL, sorry :hehe:

02-13-2005, 01:28 AM	#78
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	I hope I'm not like VEL who makes everyone want to put a gun to their head when I post anything

02-13-2005, 01:32 AM	#79
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I VEL