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Old 02-11-2005, 04:21 PM   #41
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Culpepper actually said that he wouldn't be SURPRISED if Moss was traded, not that he wouldn't mind...I don't know what you're talking about.

Of course he would mind, without Moss, Culpeppers numbers would be like half of what they are.
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Pepper on Moss, he said nothing would suprise him, it was up to the team not him. He also said that he has tried to smoth things over for 5yrs but he was done and there was no excuse for walking off the field.

As for peppers stats being 1/2 of what they are w/o Moss, that's crap. They have some good young WR's, plus they'd have cap money to replace him with a top WR.
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Thats just wrong. You are completely underestimating how good Moss is. When he was healthy, the Vikings were the fourth or fifth best team in the league and when he got injured everything fell down the hole. Nate Burleson is alright, but he isn't a #1 wide reciever. Marcus Robinson isn't young, Kelly Campbell is very limited, and I don't know who else you think they have. There is no player in the NFL that affects a game as much as Moss does, and to take him off the Vikings would completely change their offense. They could still have a good passing game if they picked up a hot free agent, but not like it is when he is there.
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Thats just wrong. You are completely underestimating how good Moss is. When he was healthy, the Vikings were the fourth or fifth best team in the league and when he got injured everything fell down the hole. Nate Burleson is alright, but he isn't a #1 wide reciever. Marcus Robinson isn't young, Kelly Campbell is very limited, and I don't know who else you think they have. There is no player in the NFL that affects a game as much as Moss does, and to take him off the Vikings would completely change their offense. They could still have a good passing game if they picked up a hot free agent, but not like it is when he is there.
they sign Burress they wouldn't miss a beat.
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Plexico Burress is a good wide reciever, but he isn't Randy Moss. He doesn't completely change a defense, and he doesn't have the explosive skill that Randy has. The offense would still run and run well, but with Moss it would be running quite a bit better.
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Fucking Buffalo should have had a top 5 pick. They had to start playing as if they had a fucking chance of making any noise and push Dallas' other pick down a good 15 spots. Dicks.
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Plexico Burress is a good wide reciever, but he isn't Randy Moss. He doesn't completely change a defense, and he doesn't have the explosive skill that Randy has. The offense would still run and run well, but with Moss it would be running quite a bit better.
Burress is taller, stronger, runs a 4.4 40yd dash.

I don't think your giving him enough credit, simply because he doesn't have the same stats which has more to do with the team around him then him. Peppers is better then any QB that Pittsburg had while Burress has been there. Plus Pittsburg has typicall has better running games and not been a mostly air show.

Plus the biggest factor, he isn't a head case like Moss.

Moss could and should be the best WR in the NFL and shatter every record ever set, but unless he grows up, he'll just be another "could have been".

Due to his head problems that lowers his trade value, you've giving him much more value then he's actually worth right now. You won't see any Hershal Walker deals.
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A. Are you trying to say that Burress is faster then Moss?

B. Are you trying to say that Burress is better then Moss?

C. Are you aware that Moss was injured over half the season?

D. Are you aware that before Moss's injury, Duante, not Manning, was the front runner to break Marino's record, and everybody knows that Harrison-Wayne-Stokley > Moss-Burleson-Robinson


Just because Moss has some off field problems doesn't mean that he doesn't perform on the field. Burress is good, but he is no Moss, TO, or Harrison, and when you are on the level of those three you can affect a game A LOT
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They could still pick up a guy like Burress, lose Moss and still be very effective though. Moss is in the top class of WRs but Vikings can afford to lose him and still be a very good offense. They need to change something, Vikings will just keep repeating what they have been doing after year unless they shake things up a bit.

If I was the Vikings I would try my hardest to pick up some type of a consistant running back.
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A. Are you trying to say that Burress is faster then Moss?

B. Are you trying to say that Burress is better then Moss?

C. Are you aware that Moss was injured over half the season?

D. Are you aware that before Moss's injury, Duante, not Manning, was the front runner to break Marino's record, and everybody knows that Harrison-Wayne-Stokley > Moss-Burleson-Robinson


Just because Moss has some off field problems doesn't mean that he doesn't perform on the field. Burress is good, but he is no Moss, TO, or Harrison, and when you are on the level of those three you can affect a game A LOT
Really, must be difficult to type w/ moss dick in your mouth.

I've never said he wasn't a good player, I consider him one of the top 5 WR in the league.

But you seem to feel if Minnesota lost him the whole team would fall apart, and thats not even close.

Especially, if they signed Burress.

Is he faster then Moss? Dunno, what's Moss's 40-time now? I know in "high school" he was clocked at a 4.25-40, but what's he run now after his injuries?

This had nothing to do with who is better Moss or Burress, it's a simple fact that Burress is a top 5 WR and if the Vikes delt Moss and signed Burress they wouldn't drop much at the WR position, if anything. They would also have whatever they get for Moss. It's really a no brainer if they can pull off both.
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I never said that the Vikings would fall apart with Burress instead of Moss, they would still have a good offense, but Moss changes a game like only very few wide recievers do. I just don't agree that Moss's off field problems have affected him on the field, at least in the last year or two...

The original discussion has gone off track though, it was originally about Culpeppers #'s. Personally, I think that he would still be a good passer with Burress, but with Moss he is better. I overstated when I said 1/2 his stats, obviously I wasn't being serious though, but I understand that I have gone a little extreme in these two threads. I just think a Moss, TO, Marvin does something that no other WR's really do.
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it's a simple fact that Burress is a top 5 WR
Moss
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Chad Johnson

...yeah, okay, no.
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...yeah, okay, no.
I was going to explain why Burress is better then Chad Johnson, but then I realised it was Wadding, and it's just not worth the time
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I just think a Moss, TO, Marvin does something that no other WR's really do.
See, I question Harrisons role in the top3, and I might give it to Holt.

My reason being, he plays on a track team, and has always had many weapons so he didn't get double teamed much if at all. Where players like Moss, TO, Burress, Johnson and the last few years Holt, still put up great numbers while being double teammed.

Also, I think Indy's style of offense makes any WR better.

The key for the Vikes is they need a dominating runner, the RB's they have are good, but no one plays them honest, no one puts 9 in the box, no one is afraid minnesota will run on them all day.
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I was going to explain why Burress is better then Chad Johnson, but then I realised it was Wadding, and it's just not worth the time
How can you explain how Burress is better than Chad Johnson when Plaxico Burress isn't even better than the next guy on my list (Hines Ward)??
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I think that Holt probably deserves to be in the Top 4 list, I always forget about him though. I'm not sure how highly I would rate Chad Johnson at this point aswell.

The Vikings have three good running backs, and when used/not injured Michael Bennet was a 1200 yard rusher. There is no doubt that one of them will be traded in the offseason, likely either Bennett or Onterio Smith (Steal of the Draft). When they had their amazing 98 season, Robert Smith had by far the best year of his career, and that played a huge role in the overall success. If the can have SOD or Bennett come up huge or completely mix the backfield around and bring in Tomlinson, they would be really good.
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How can you explain how Burress is better than Chad Johnson when Plaxico Burress isn't even better than the next guy on my list (Hines Ward)??
umm, ok there Dave... I think you should stick to those great Rams of yours.
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I think that Holt probably deserves to be in the Top 4 list, I always forget about him though. I'm not sure how highly I would rate Chad Johnson at this point aswell.

The Vikings have three good running backs, and when used/not injured Michael Bennet was a 1200 yard rusher. There is no doubt that one of them will be traded in the offseason, likely either Bennett or Onterio Smith (Steal of the Draft). When they had their amazing 98 season, Robert Smith had by far the best year of his career, and that played a huge role in the overall success. If the can have SOD or Bennett come up huge or completely mix the backfield around and bring in Tomlinson, they would be really good.
Yeah, I think Chad is like Moss in he still needs to grow up a bit, but has the skills.

Bring Tomlinson into anyteam there a better team

That being said Bennet being a 1200yds rusher is a product of the passing game getting so much respect, you need a RB who commands respect and allows the passing game to stretch the defense.
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oh yeah and the Vikes also need one other thing...

A Coach.
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Hines Ward is better then Burress though..

Also, in the year he did that, 2003 I think, I'm not sure the Vikings had a great passing attack. Better then average I'm sure, but nothing like it was this year. I think Bennett is a legit good runner, not elite, but on a good team he could consistantly do that.
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Hines Ward is better then Burress though..

Also, in the year he did that, 2003 I think, I'm not sure the Vikings had a great passing attack. Better then average I'm sure, but nothing like it was this year. I think Bennett is a legit good runner, not elite, but on a good team he could consistantly do that.
I'm not knocking Ward, but what makes you think he's better the burress?
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Hines Ward is the best blocking WR in the NFL. He goes over the middle and plays tough. Oh yeah, over the last 4 seasons only 2 guys have caught more balls then him.

Now can you explain to me why you think Burress is better than Chad Johnson? Buress is a good wideout but he isn't all that.
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Burress may be huge but he wishes he had Chad Johnson's hands.

But yeah Burress would be sweet with the Vikings with Culpepper throwing a lot of jump balls for him to grab against 5'11"-6'0" DBs
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Those jump balls are great if he actually catches a few... I would take Hines over him in a heart beat... more versitile. Best all around WR in my opinion, not meaning hes the biggest down field threat, or the fastest, As a total receiver, blocking, making the big catch, Hines is the man, Burress leaving the Pittsburgh is a good thing for the Steelers, my personal opinion
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