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Old 03-10-2005, 12:02 PM   #41
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Don't mind me, I just wanna see the Undertaker go down.

Well, mostly I want to see some of the has-beens put over some talent while there's anyone who still cares about any of them.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:05 PM   #42
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Yea, but this is Undertaker. I don't think He's ever made anyone look good. Bret, like Flair, like HBK, like Benoit, like HHH at one point, made people look like a million bucks.

I see Taker not selling, getting in a ton of offense, beating Orton and then Orton being a cry baby and turning heel because he lost. That would kill him.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:08 PM   #43
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Yeah, Orton being a whiny bitch would kill his character wouldn't it?





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Old 03-10-2005, 12:10 PM   #44
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Okay...what would you rather have?

1. Taker no sell everything, kick out of 5 RKO's, then beat Orton with a Tombstone. End of story.

2. Taker no sell most of Orton's offense, ends up pinning Orton. Then when Orton acts like he is showing respect to Taker, BAM Orton kicks his ass laying out Taker in the middle of the ring at Wrestlemania. Then Orton beats Taker at like Summerslam clean.

3. Taker no sells everything, Orton some how gets a fluke win. Nothing happens afterwards.

One of those three options are likely to be booked. Which of them would be better to watch?
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:18 PM   #45
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Honestly, number 2. I could at least keep dinner down when RKO was a heel. As a face, he is my version of upper-midcard X-pac heat. I think if they have Orton come close as humanly possible to beating "The Phenom" he will be more over for it. Yeah, he may lose but he can say nobody has EVER put up as much of a fight against the Undertaker as he did. Yeah, it may not be the BEST option as far as what will keep him over but why waste a record that could really propel somebody who could get over again just being a cocky heel. Damn it, RKO couldn't carry the heat Mick f'n Foley gave him for more than 2 months. He beat Mick Foley in HIS match. He beat the king of the japanese deathmatch, he beat the hardcore legend, he beat one of the greatest of all time, AND IT DIDN'T LAST 2 MONTHS.

Why waste it? Obviously, it would work but I don't think it would give him nowhere as much heat as the Foley storylines did and if that didn't last long enough to make it to SummerSlam. How far will beating the Undertaker last before he ends up beating up HBK again?

Like I said, have him go toe-to-toe with the Undertaker. But have Undertaker have to give Orton 2 or 3 tombstones to finish him. Make it look like Orton was THIS close. Then have Undertake0r offer to shake the hand of Orton, then Undertaker starts to leave the ring BUT Orton smirks like a bitch and BAM RKO!
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:20 PM   #46
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I'd rather watch paint dry then to sit through any of that.

Choice 2 would be the likely choice cause Orton gets some heat on him afterwards.

Mick Foley needs to have a little talk with Taker on how to properly put people over.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:26 PM   #47
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BTW: The Foley thing made Orton and right after (like Raw's and PPV's after) that you could start hearing Ortan chants loudly throughout buildings. Orton proved himself with his match at Backlash and if you think he sucked there, then you just hate him Mark_style or something. Foley said it was one of his all-time favorite programs and matches he's ever done
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:27 PM   #48
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Yea, but this is Undertaker. I don't think He's ever made anyone look good. Bret, like Flair, like HBK, like Benoit, like HHH at one point, made people look like a million bucks.

I see Taker not selling, getting in a ton of offense, beating Orton and then Orton being a cry baby and turning heel because he lost. That would kill him.
He'd get mad heel heat from that.

Oh wait, I mean he'd turn nto a mad heel on heat.

Sadly, I think you're right. Why put over Orton when you can make Taker look good?
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:28 PM   #49
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I'd rather watch paint dry then to sit through any of that.

Choice 2 would be the likely choice cause Orton gets some heat on him afterwards.

Mick Foley needs to have a little talk with Taker on how to properly put people over.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:34 PM   #50
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LC, I agree that the RKO/Orton match and hell the whole storyline was amazing BUT the heat he got from it didn't last. It got him over for little bit and there were Orton chants. However, I think that Undertaker should lose to somebody who NEEDS it. Orton doesn't NEED to beat Undertaker to get a sweet heel turn. I'd rather RKO lose a close match and turn heel than win a shit match out of luck and brag about it. (Undertaker won't lose clean or with a decisive win so I am trying to be realistic therefore Orton would have a better heel turn if he lost to Taker in a close match and bragged than winning with a lucky RKO and pin.)
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:36 PM   #51
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Orton might have gotten over more if they didn't turn him into bland shit.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:40 PM   #52
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I hope someone turns heel in this match, I don't really like face v.s. face matches, they're too clean, perhaps Taker or Orton will turn heel???
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:42 PM   #53
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O and one more thing, since I just watched it the other day.

Remember at Mania 20, where Foley was about to hit the Claw and then Orton nailed him with the RKO out of nowhere. Remember both Foley's and Orton's reactions after Orton pinned him? He acted like he just found the cure for cancer and I bet that pissed you off, didn't it? I bet you guys were saying, "That mother fucker, how the hell did he just beat Foley?" Then Foley sits up and his reaction said that he couldn't believe what just happened. He looked at the ref and stuck 2 fingers up, claiming it was only a 2 count and the ref was like "No Mick, it was 3." It was like the ref couldn't even believe it.

Then when Orton left the ring, he went into cocky/arrogant mode and was smiling and yelling "I told you" at Foley. That is the kind of reactions you need for this match.

But instead of Orton leaving the ring, he looks down at Taker as if he's looked up to Taker all these years, but in reality (in Ortons mind), Taker is nothing and isn't even in his league. Then you do the "I thought you were worth it, but you suck" RKO and lay his ass out. Orton stands over him with the cool pose and he gets a ton of heat back.

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Old 03-10-2005, 12:44 PM   #54
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Orton might have gotten over more if they didn't turn him into bland shit.
Exactly. Yea, the heat ended right when they turned him face an made him look as if HHH was too smart for him. Your heat is usually in the bookers hands. They can make you a star or bury you in 3 seconds. Yea, preformance by a wrestler plays a huge part and Orton did a fantastic job as a heel. But the bookers wanted to change his characer and he couldn't do anything about that.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:50 PM   #55
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But instead of Orton leaving the ring, he looks down at Taker as if he's looked up to Taker all these years, but in reality, Taker is nothing and isn't even in his league. Then you do the "I thought you were worth it, but you suck" RKO and lay his ass out. Orton stands over him with the cool pose and he gets a ton of heat back.

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LC, that would actually make me mark out BUT it won't happen. I am just trying to be realistic. There is no way in HELL Taker is going to do that. So why not have him lose a match that is just very close and then shake hands before smirking and RKO his ass.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:30 PM   #56
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Old 03-10-2005, 09:09 PM   #57
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Not bad man but I see the Legend Killer striking down another Legend 1-2-3
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Old 03-10-2005, 09:16 PM   #58
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I wanna see him hit the RKO on Sarah.
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But, Jericho and Orton are in two different positions.

Orton is a babyface going into the match, he needs more of a reason to turn heel other than "I'm going to end Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak. Rawr." A loss to Taker at Mania would give him even more reason to snap and turn heel. Yes, a win for Orton at Mania would be good, but with the crap build up they have given for this match and the fact that they tried to push a babyface Orton down our throats for 6+ months should tell us that they need to give a better storyline for an Orton turn.

Picture this:

The match is going into the 20th minute. Both men are bloody and tired, barely able to stand, hurt and torn. Randy signals for the RKO, goes for it, gets rejected and shoved into the ropes and CHOKESLAMMED right in the middle of the ring. A livened Undertaker is livid! He drags the thumb across the throat. He lifts Randy Orton up for the Tombstone Piledriver, but at the last second, Orton slides out and BOOM! RKO! 1-2-3! The fans are screaming and clapping for one of the greatest moments in WrestleMania history. The Undertaker, after 12 years of victory, has finally gone down to this young, 3rd generation athlete.

Still broken and bruised, Orton and Taker slowly get to their feet, and the ref raises Orton's hand in victory. The deadman holds himself up in the corner, glaring at the young kid. They meet in the center of the ring, and Taker reaches out his hand. They shake. They embrace.

But then, Orton pulls back and looks into Taker's eyes. He mouths "Thank you" and low blows him and RKO's him again! The fans are livid! They throw trash in the ring and the Legend Killer stands atop the turnbuckle and does his cocky pose.


The next night on RAW, Randy cuts a promo at the start of the show. It's all about how, although the fans cheered him, he knew they didn't BELIEVE he could beat the Undertaker at WrestleMania. They didn't BELIEVE that he was for real. But he is. And now, after proving them wrong, he spits in the faces of the non-believers of the ultimate 3rd generation superstar - The Legend Killer, Randy Orton. He's done the impossible, and he is the BEST.

Cue up Batista's music. He walks down to the ring with the Title belt over his shoulder. "Excuse me? Did I just hear you say that you're THE BEST?"


It fits like a god damn glove.
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I really won't lose any sleep if Orton doesn't go over at WrestleMania, but I do feel strongly that he should. I would have done a few little things to make the feud a bit different so far, though.

I didn't particularly like how Eric Bischoff just OK'd Randy's challenge. It would have made more sense for Eric Bischoff to come out and start telling Orton he's crazy and that Taker would kick his ass. Orton then goes into how people probably told Eric Bischoff he was crazy when he tried to kill the WWE. He then feeds Bischoff's ego until Eric decides Orton does have that flame in his eyes that Bischoff had. EB OKs the match, and we are just awaiting The Undertaker and Theodore R. Long's answers. You can then have Randy RKO Eric Bischoff, or you can have Eric start supporting Orton through the coming weeks.

On SmackDown!, Theodore Long is heading to his office, and when he enters he flicks on the light, only to find dead animals hanging from the ceiling. For some reason Teddy Long suspects Carlito Caribbean Cool had something to do with this, but Carlito denies it. He says that The Undertaker has a reputation of toying with death. Maybe it was him? Teddy then says that Carlito will get the blame for it unless CCC finds out for sure who did it. Carlito is a little disgruntled, but he goes off to complete his assignment.

Maybe you can have Carlito go around the lockerrooms questioning guys like Hardcore Holly by asking them if the animals were too new around the lockerroom for your tastes, etc. just to keep the angle semi-focus of the show? Anyway Cool heads to the ring later in the night and calls out The Undertaker, because he knows he was the one who hung the animals in Teddy Long's office. The Undertaker grants Carlito his presence and is about to punish Carlito for accusing him when throught the crowd comes a man dressed comepletely in black, complete with a mask. The masked man attacks The Undertaker from behind with a steel chair, the masked man and Carlito then take turns to deliver the Overdrive to the Dead Man. The masked man then unmasks and is revealed to be Randy Orton complete with signature posing, now awesome due to the heat he would be getting. Carlito then says he's got a good idea who hung the animals in the office.

Then basically over the weeks you have Randy Orton and Eric Bischoff working together to give Orton the best chance of victory at WrestleMania, while Taker performs rituals and stuff to get his point that Orton will lose at Mania over.

In the match, you have both guys get in a lot of offense, with Randy Orton eventually countering the Last Ride, Tombstone or Chokeslam into the RKO. Maybe even have the TCB countered at some stage. I could see Orton hitting three RKOs, with Taker still kicking out, then the fourth getting it done. But anyway, Orton then kicks Taker's ass after the match.

Before the match, you could have Orton interrupt the Hall of Fame segemtn they'll probably run, and have him go wild with a steel chair or something. Hitting everyone, including his father. I'd rather see this used to give Muhammad Hassan something to do, though.

In the main event, for some reason I can see Randy Orton running down after the ref's been knocked out, and RKOing Batista so Triple H can make the cover and retain the World Heavyweight Championship. It could be a mistake, but I can see it happening.
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I would use the contract signing to start the turn.

Have them sign the contract and stand face to face with each other. Then have Orton start to do the snorting thing that he does before he spits in someone's face. But he doesn't do it, he just looks at Taker and leaves the ring.

At Mania, Orton wins a tough match with the RKO. The finish I would go with is to have Taker hit the Chokeslam and only get 2, hit the Last ride, again 2, then go for the Tombstone, Orton fights back to his shoulders, slides off and BAM RKO! 1-2-3.

They both get up, Orton does his "I just won my first match clebration", Taker spins him around, another staredown, extends his hand, Orton shakes it and as Taker goes to leave he pulls him back in and spits in his face and BAM ANOTHER RKO.

Orton does his "I'm a prick" pose and there's your heel turn.

The next night Orton at first feels safe about being on RAW with Taker on SD, but then finds out about the draft lottery and is shitting himself. Early in the night Taker gets drafted to RAW and Orton is beside himself. Later in the night, Orton gets drafted to SD and jumps for joy, and then takes off in car to SD.

In the main event Taker is wrestling someone (Edge?), and Orton comes back through the crowd and hits Taker with another RKO and leaves.
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I would use the contract signing to start the turn.

Have them sign the contract and stand face to face with each other. Then have Orton start to do the snorting thing that he does before he spits in someone's face. But he doesn't do it, he just looks at Taker and leaves the ring.

At Mania, Orton wins a tough match with the RKO. The finish I would go with is to have Taker hit the Chokeslam and only get 2, hit the Last ride, again 2, then go for the Tombstone, Orton fights back to his shoulders, slides off and BAM RKO! 1-2-3.

They both get up, Orton does his "I just won my first match clebration", Taker spins him around, another staredown, extends his hand, Orton shakes it and as Taker goes to leave he pulls him back in and spits in his face and BAM ANOTHER RKO.

Orton does his "I'm a prick" pose and there's your heel turn.

The next night Orton at first feels safe about being on RAW with Taker on SD, but then finds out about the draft lottery and is shitting himself. Early in the night Taker gets drafted to RAW and Orton is beside himself. Later in the night, Orton gets drafted to SD and jumps for joy, and then takes off in car to SD.

In the main event Taker is wrestling someone (Edge?), and Orton comes back through the crowd and hits Taker with another RKO and leaves.
I actually like it. Except instead of the RKO the next night on Raw, have him lay him out with chair shots.
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Yeah he could do that, I just like the idea of getting over the RKO more.

But yeah, the chair shots would give him more of a bad ass heel vibe. Why not do both?
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