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Old 03-11-2005, 07:39 PM   #41
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Also, adding on the sqaure button problem, I was reading an article in a games mag a few weeks ago, and some guy from Sony said that players and developers would have to adapt to the problem. I'm sorry, but bollocks to that, they expect us to pay for a system then adapt to one of it's flaws? It's really put me off getting one.
Well, it's worked for Microsoft.
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You can play GBA games on a GBA?
It was a relevation to me too.

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DS is fucking amazing... anyone who has played the extra mini games loaded into mario 64 will realize how much they can do with the touch screen. These simple mini games would suck without it, and they are just a small glimpse of what they will be able to make.

PSP's battery life is 3 hours from what i hear, that is ridiculous. If you want to watch movies and listen to music go buy a psp, if you want to play video games buy a DS.
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DS is fucking amazing... anyone who has played the extra mini games loaded into mario 64 will realize how much they can do with the touch screen. These simple mini games would suck without it, and they are just a small glimpse of what they will be able to make.

PSP's battery life is 3 hours from what i hear, that is ridiculous. If you want to watch movies and listen to music go buy a psp, if you want to play video games buy a DS.
You know, it's prolly cheaper to buy a portable DVDplayer that plays MP3 discs/Audio CDs, nad you don't even have to stick to a pain in the ass proprietary format.
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I found this article on the net, and its pretty much how I feel, I cant find te link again though, anyways its long but proves DS = mad better.

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HEAD TO FUCKING HEAD



Iwata, the president of Nintendo, said that the days where better graphics power alone were a significant advancement in video games were over.

He is right.

That being said both the PSP and the DS have significantly more graphics power than the GBA. The PSP does beat the DS in this category, but that will not be the deciding factor in the systems popularity.

Below is listed the attributes that I feel will be important in the race between these two systems, and some of the things I don't. You make the call.

Head to head comparison:

Item 1: Durability

Believe it or not this is THE most important factor in portable gaming. It is one thing to have a console that doesn't leave the table, it is quite another to have one that you risk dropping it every time you play it.

DS: Solid state media. In other words, cartridges. Clamshell design that protects both screens and most of the buttons. Did I mention SOLID STATE MEDIA? Oh yeah, it's right there at the beginning.

PSP: Optical Disc. This means that the entire function of the machine is dependant on the alignment of ONE laser. When playing the screen will be exposed on both systems, but with the PSP you better not lose that case.

Winner? NINTENDO DS.

The entire Game Boy line has had rock solid durability records. The PSP might break over time with mere use and transport because of that laser.

Item 2: Battery Life

This is a close second to durability, and is much more important in the early sales period. While no one wants a lemon, it usually takes a month or so to learn if something is.

DS: 10 hours per charge

PSP: 2.5 hours per charge for video or games.

Winner? NINTENDO DS by a landslide.

You forgot to charge your PSP before your trip? That's a very expensive paperweight. 10 hours of playtime is at least a full day for any but the most hardcore of gamers, and even they would rarely use more than that in an average day. 2.5 hours is not long enough to play some movies that Sony might sell.

Item 3: Time of release

I thought this would be less of an important factor until the PS2 release. I thought that price would eventually be more important. Not the case.

DS: late 2004 in Japan and the US

PSP: late 2004 in Japan, Q1 2005 in the US

Winner? NINTENDO DS

The DS will release about 4 months ahead of the PSP in the US, and puts the US on the same priority as Japan for the first time. This will improve PR immensely in the states. The PSP on the other hand... expect one further delay. They have recently changed hardware because 8MB RAM wasn't enough, Sony is RUSHING.

Item 4: Price

Self-explanatory why this would be important.

DS: projected $150, and only game purchase necessary to play.

PSP: projected $250, will need to buy a memory stick (roughly $25-$75 depending on size), and will more than likely need an additional battery pack (I estimate $75), then the game purchase. So about $350 ready for game.\

Winner? NINTENDO DS

It isn't close. PSP will likely cost twice as much or more to buy the machine and make it playable.

Item 5: Coolness

Apparently some people are to hip to be seen using certain things. I think it is a bunch of crap, but enough people consider every device they carry around a fashion accessory to make this important.

DS: Will look a lot cooler than the original GBA, but Nintendo has a reputation of "Children's games" whether it is deserved or not.

PSP: To gamers, Sony is the Sultan of Cool. That won't change in the near future.

Winner? PSP

Sony cares about image much more than Nintendo does even now. Sony will win some users for that.

Item 6: Versatility

What can this thing do?

DS: Two screens with one touch sensitive that can be used in tandem with the digital joystick. 6 traditional buttons. Wi-Fi and Proprietary Short distance wireless. Supports up to 16 multiplayer with the local wireless connection. Plays DS, GBA, and GB games, and game info can be given to a DS without the game inserted if the developer chooses to do so. Has a microphone input.

PSP: Compatibility with UMD (that little disc thing) only so far. Can connect to TV to play movies. Has only one screen that is larger than either DS screen (but not both combined). Digital and analog joysticks, not usable in tandem. 6 traditional buttons. Can play music, and can connect to computer. Believed that Wi-Fi and infrared connection will accompany launch.

Winner? NINTENDO DS

Nintendo has the only system that will allow 2 methods of motion at the same time. This alone will win it. It is likely that the PSP will have roughly the same wireless, but that remains to be seen. PSP will be able to play music and movies, but that can be implemented if necessary. DS has so much more potential as a gaming system.

Item 7: Developer Support

Who will be making the games?

DS: "100 Developers" (this includes Nintendo, of course)

PSP: "99 Developers" (this includes Sony, of course)

Winner? NINTENDO DS

The one more claimed developer is not important, third-party support appears strong for both. The DS has Nintendo. That is what wins. Not only is Nintendo one of the most prolific developers, it is also simply the best. Sony makes very few good in-house games. Edge to Nintendo for having the good fortune of being themselves.

Item 8: Graphics Power

It will matter to some how many polygons can be rendered at once, even if you can't see them all.

DS: "Better than N64"

PSP: "Slightly less than PS2"

Winner? Probably PSP

No one has given exact specs in this area. Nintendo doesn't think it matters. Sony I think doesn't know yet and they were burned by the PS2 shipping at less than they claimed it would. Still it is generally thought that the PSP will have better graphics, but it is unclear how much better, because there is no actual game software at E3.

Item 9: Reputation

Will you support the investment I make?

DS: Nintendo has fully supported every console they've ever made, except the Virtual Boy which I consider more of a concept piece than a full fledged console. You are guaranteed quality games from Nintendo at the very least, even if the system isn't an immediate success. Since the SNES all of Nintendo's home consoles have sold less than the competition.

PSP: This company is used to leading the market it's in. It is unclear how it would handle itself if it isn't the leader.

Winner? NINTENDO DS

Nintendo has the best support reputation in the business. Sony is not necessarily worse, but the question can't be answered.



CONCLUSION, BITCH!

Look at the comparison. The DS wins almost every one. I didn't talk about the release titles, because no one knows what they will be. But barring the worst launch titles in history, the DS will murder the PSP.

End of fucking story. BITE IT, SONY! SUCK MY ASS
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With what all of you guys are saying,you are making me change my decision about the PSP so I might want a DS after all so basically what do you think I should get a PSP of DS?
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Item 7: Developer Support

Who will be making the games?

DS: "100 Developers" (this includes Nintendo, of course)

PSP: "99 Developers" (this includes Sony, of course)

Winner? NINTENDO DS

The one more claimed developer is not important, third-party support appears strong for both. The DS has Nintendo. That is what wins. Not only is Nintendo one of the most prolific developers, it is also simply the best. Sony makes very few good in-house games. Edge to Nintendo for having the good fortune of being themselves.


Which is why there are so many quality Gamecube games out,.
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With what all of you guys are saying,you are making me change my decision about the PSP so I might want a DS after all so basically what do you think I should get a PSP of DS?
I think you should get what YOU want, based upon the features available, the games you want, etc.
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Yup. The only way something could praise a Nintendo system is if it came from Nintendo's official site.
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I hope you don't really believe that.
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I hope you don't really believe that.
Of course I do. Nintendo=losers. Nobody likes them.
You fucking moron.
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one thing in that article is wrong, DS can't play GB games. Only GBA.
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one thing in that article is wrong, DS can't play GB games. Only GBA.
It's wrong on a couple things:

First off, the days of hot graphics are over. No, not really. Will all the fanboys jerking off over the graphics of the latest PSP screenshots, it's not over. It has, however, diminished. The problem is, one gimmick dies, another one takes its place.

Take, for example, Online. Over the last couple of years, the game developers have proved that you can take any piece of shit game, slap an online feature on it, and resell it as a hit. As long as you have some such trick up your sleeve, you can substitute it for quality. You can rehash, rip off, and strip down games, and people will cream themselves over your half-assed online play.

If I could figure out how to shit in a box and make it online compatible, I'd be a fucking billionaire.

Next, there's fucking support. Okay, where are the launch titles for the Nintendo DS? Why are there so few decent games coming out for the GCN that aren't ports. I'd like an answer to either of these, preferbly both.

A big part of support to me is "launch support." It seperates commitment from the bullshit, and frankly I think the PS2 had a better launch lineup. And that ain't saying much. I don't think Sony's gonna do much better, mind, but that's not the fucking point. If you're going to tout support, make sure you're not bragging falsely.

Lastly, time of release? WHAT FUCKING DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE! ike people aren't rabidly trying to snatch up the PSP.

All in all though, it's largely right. Solid State is a better move for a portable system, because *GASP* IT's harder to fuck up than an optical drive. And if the PS2 crapped out fast, imagine what a couple accidental whacks could do to this baby. Even the touch screen, with damage potential, is probably a safer bet.

Battery life? You damn right it's a big deal. People actually want to PLAY games. If they could even give 6-8 hours it'd be great (More than I'd play it in 2 or 3 days, I'm sure), but they didn't. Of all the corners to cut, it was this one.

Memory sticks really fuck shit up. Plus, they only have a small amount of space for the affordable ones.
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Which is why there are so many quality Gamecube games out,.
It's talking about the DS here not the Gamecube, it's far easier to create and have the money to produce games for the DS than it would be for the Gamecube.

And Nintendo in-house games are the best games around, and have been for years.
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Yup. The only way something could praise a Nintendo system is if it came from Nintendo's official site.
It didn't come from the Nintendo site, with all the swearing it's bound not to.
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Next, there's fucking support. Okay, where are the launch titles for the Nintendo DS? Why are there so few decent games coming out for the GCN that aren't ports. I'd like an answer to either of these, preferbly both.
DS Launch titles:
There's about ten launch titles granted, and some are a bit gay, but Nintendo have been very secretive about the DS only until a year ago, not even telling alot of developers about the DS, this is why there aren't many launch titles. Nintendo only told like 4 developers about the DS along time before anyone else did: EA, Capcom and maybe Ubi-Soft if I recall but cant remember the others by memory.

Also I think Nintendo may have not released many hit launch titles because of the newness of the technology in the DS, because of the touch/dual screen, and don't go 'Fucking lies, you'd be a moron not to be able to us it blah blah blah' cos many people that have first played my DS have found it a little getting used too. The Launch titles are a good way to introduce people to the DS and how to interact with it.

And yes I admit very few good games for the Gamecube are coming out right now, but there are a few not long been around or on the way: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is immensly awesome, RE4 just hit the shelves in Europe, Star Fox is nearly out and the biggest game for a long time Zelda GNC is on the way for the end of the year. Everything's just being overlooked.

Ports, what ports?
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The memory stick is alright on PSP for 2 reasons:

1) You get a 32mb one in the box

2) You can back up your save games to a PC or Mac though USB. Given the battery life you'd only need 2 save games at a time before you have to go home and charge it up anyways
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And yes I admit very few good games for the Gamecube are coming out right now, but there are a few not long been around or on the way: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is immensly awesome, RE4 just hit the shelves in Europe, Star Fox is nearly out and the biggest game for a long time Zelda GNC is on the way for the end of the year. Everything's just being overlooked.
Capcom have supposedly made a bit of an arse of Starfox based on the reviews I've seen of it. 70% ballpark ones.

In the other news, the release of the PSP in Europe has been postponed for a vague "several months". Amazon have it marked down for release at the end of the June. Stupid move by Sony if you ask me, especially since America is still going to get the console on time.
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The memory stick is alright on PSP for 2 reasons:

1) You get a 32mb one in the box

2) You can back up your save games to a PC or Mac though USB. Given the battery life you'd only need 2 save games at a time before you have to go home and charge it up anyways
1) Really, the folks at Gamestop EXPLICITY told me you didn't. Not doubting you...

2) Which is alright, yes, but nothing great.
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You get a 32MB Card/Stick with the PSP Value Pack, not the standard console.
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It's talking about the DS here not the Gamecube, it's far easier to create and have the money to produce games for the DS than it would be for the Gamecube.

And Nintendo in-house games are the best games around, and have been for years.
It's talking about the Nintendo-based record of sales and support. Come on, Jericho, are you literate? It specifically brings up Nintendo's TRACK RECORD, which includes the GCN and all previous systems.

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It didn't come from the Nintendo site, with all the swearing it's bound not to.
Yeah, I suppose the intense sarcasm was hard to pick up on. Especially with all the other posts I've made supporting the DS...

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DS Launch titles:
There's about ten launch titles granted, and some are a bit gay, but Nintendo have been very secretive about the DS only until a year ago, not even telling alot of developers about the DS, this is why there aren't many launch titles. Nintendo only told like 4 developers about the DS along time before anyone else did: EA, Capcom and maybe Ubi-Soft if I recall but cant remember the others by memory.
That's called bad marketing.

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Also I think Nintendo may have not released many hit launch titles because of the newness of the technology in the DS, because of the touch/dual screen, and don't go 'Fucking lies, you'd be a moron not to be able to us it blah blah blah' cos many people that have first played my DS have found it a little getting used too. The Launch titles are a good way to introduce people to the DS and how to interact with it.
If they wanted to do that, they should have made a demo disc.

In terms of the "newness of the technology." Please, that doesn't make the lameness of the launch itles (The lack of which will turn people against the system).

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And yes I admit very few good games for the Gamecube are coming out right now, but there are a few not long been around or on the way: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is immensly awesome, RE4 just hit the shelves in Europe, Star Fox is nearly out and the biggest game for a long time Zelda GNC is on the way for the end of the year. Everything's just being overlooked.
Not being overlooked.

Star Fox is being panned. Neither of the other two games are anything I'm interested in. Even then, 3 games, especially when MP2 and RE4 are basically identical to games you can get on a more popular system (OMG, but Metroid has the METROID LICENSE ITZ TEH ROXORZ)

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Ports, what ports?
Yeah, I dunno. It's not like they carted Mario 64 DS from another system...Remind me again why it has "64" in the title?
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You get a 32MB Card/Stick with the PSP Value Pack, not the standard console.
so it's not really buncled with the console...
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What exactly are Metroid Prime 2 and RE4 "basically identical" to?

And here's a conspiracy theory for you, the European PSP launch has been delayed because Sony have siphoned off units for the US launch. Isn't it great living in the video game equivalent of the Third World?
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You get a 32MB Card/Stick with the PSP Value Pack, not the standard console.
I thought that only the value pack was going to be onsale in the usa.

For people in Europe right now though, a Sony exec has said that the psp is still "several months away"
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Well Amazon were listing an end of April release, now it's June 24th. Could still be guesswork though.
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I thought that only the value pack was going to be onsale in the usa.
Not far as I can tell.
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Not far as I can tell.
I juat read about this now

The first one or two waves will be value pack only. Then they'll launch the stand-alone console later.

Also, Canadians only have one pack avaiable at launch. It will be 50 USD more and include all the value pack plus some Gretzky hockey game. That just seems lame if that is true. (Source for these is: http://psp.ign.com/articles/595/595977p1.html?fromint=1 )

EDIT: Also:

In Japan, a Standard System package was also released that included the PSP hardware, the AC adapter, and one battery pack. There are no current plans to release a similarly slimmed-down package for release outside of Japan.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/513/513175p1.html#release
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Hockey? I guess Sony is into racial profiling now.
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Capcom have supposedly made a bit of an arse of Starfox based on the reviews I've seen of it. 70% ballpark ones.
Which is still above average.
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Which is still above average.
Still, that was in response to a statement that it was the best game in a long time...Despite being not released or anything...
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Indeed, especially considering it was hyped as being one of the big GC games of 2005.
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Indeed, especially considering it was hyped as being one of the big GC games of 2005.
Which tells you how bad this year's looking for The Gamecube.

Of course, part of the problem is that the games that get the hype are usually shit anyway. However, it strikes me as unlikely we're gonna see any sleeper hits on the GCN this year, least not enough to make a diff.

I'm sure a ton of fanboys will snatch it up based on the hype, but this bodes shit for the Gamecube. About the only games I can see myself getting are the next WWE game and maybe Zelda.
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All this assuming there's going to be another WWE game. There's certainly not been one announced.

Certainly a handful of forthcoming games that look good, but not very many.
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Another WWE game is coming: Day of Reckoning 2

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A nice vague Q4, which means we'll probably be lucky to see it this side of 2006.

Really wish they'd announce a finalised date for Geist and The Movies, both look rather interesting. Ditto Starcraft Ghost...
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All this assuming there's going to be another WWE game. There's certainly not been one announced.

Certainly a handful of forthcoming games that look good, but not very many.
It's been announced. Details will be released WM weekend.
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