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Old 04-10-2005, 02:00 AM   #41
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Old 04-10-2005, 02:31 AM   #42
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Edge should have went over benoit.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:35 AM   #43
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Pure idiocy and total crap.
The internet takes away from wrestling. I don't know what category you fall into but I try very hard to not overanalyse stuff. I like being as markish as possible. Isn't it more fun? Or do people prefer to analyse stuff. Don't get me wrong there's nothing bad about it and it can be enjoyable too. But I think the 'net has hurt the business.

As has Vince, Haitch, etc. Not just the 'net's fault.
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:36 AM   #44
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:39 AM   #45
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Seriously, I swear this has to be one of the top internet myths.

I think #1 would have to be "Downloading music hurts the artists."
#2 is "This is what I look like," and just behind that is "#3: the internet takes away from wrestling."
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:54 AM   #46
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I think the effect of the internet on wrestling cant really be generalized into helping or not helping.

I think the internet helps wrestling associates like ROH or TNA because it helps get their name spread to people who would otherwise not find it. Likewise, as with music downloading, I think that helps get some music out there most people would not neccessarily download or listen to.

I think the internet while helping smaller programming, hurts the WWE more than it helps it. Over the past 10 years lets say, through the internet we have been privy to backstage news, spoilers, etc. that we would normally not know. It does take away some of the mystique away I feel, maybe becomes too personal with everything we know. For instance, had we not known what Vince McMahon was like sometimes backstage, we might not see the HOF as people who didnt piss off Vince type thing.

That being said, the internet shouldnt be the only blame for the sometimes crappy pgramming and poor planning put out.
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:59 AM   #47
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we are such a small part of the demographic though, what we do has such little influence on the product.
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:07 PM   #48
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So what this guy is saying is that we should feel shame because we don't want to cheer for a guy who ruined the careers of countless other men who had twice the tallent he did? We should get stupid and enjoy the countless "Hulk still rules" segments that they forced down our throats? I don't know about you guys, but I'd watch and enjoy a million Face Orton monologues than watch another Hulk Still Rules segment.

I don't see an author's name on this article... I bet it was written by either Hogan or Cool King.
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:43 PM   #49
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I don't see an author's name on this article... I bet it was written by either Hogan or Cool King.
The link starts the article on page 2 or 3, if you go back to the beginning, you will see it was written by a friend of the Sports Guy Bill Simmons from ESPN.com
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:57 PM   #50
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we are such a small part of the demographic though, what we do has such little influence on the product.
Pretty much.
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:57 PM   #51
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It's true....looking at things from a smart perspective has made wrestling less enjoyable to me, I've been trying my hardest to re-enter the days of markdom.
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Old 04-10-2005, 01:09 PM   #52
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we are such a small part of the demographic though, what we do has such little influence on the product.
I dont know if you can really say that as much anymore. Its easy just to say, oh we dont matter, but the internet is an evergrowing fan base. Everyone has a computer or internet in their house nowadays.
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Old 04-10-2005, 01:42 PM   #53
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I dont know if you can really say that as much anymore. Its easy just to say, oh we dont matter, but the internet is an evergrowing fan base. Everyone has a computer or internet in their house nowadays.
Well, to be fair, the WWE has decided we don't matter for a long time. We're a scapegoat.

Growing or not, the reason we're a larger aspect of the fanbase isn't because of greater access to the internet. IT's because they can't manage to attract any other fans than the ones they complain "hate wrestling" and are "ruining the business."

Me? I don't care about "mark" or "smark" or "smart" or any other stupid label. I don't need to try and find my enjoyment in the form of going back to "being a mark," because I love pro wrestling.

The biggest problem is that nobody wants to accredit anything positive to smarts. However, many of them have collosal praise for various aspects. Really, is complaining about what you don't like and praising that which you do like really detrimental?
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Old 04-10-2005, 02:51 PM   #54
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I dont know if you can really say that as much anymore. Its easy just to say, oh we dont matter, but the internet is an evergrowing fan base. Everyone has a computer or internet in their house nowadays.
Yeah but our influence is still small. Just because a wrestling fan has the internet doesn't mean he is an internet fan.

He probably gets all of his information off of WWE.com because Vince told him to.
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Old 04-10-2005, 03:12 PM   #55
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Without the internet I sure as heck wouldn't appreciate wrestling as much as I do. Instead of enjoying nice technical matches I would probably be going "booooring".

I mean, I distinctly remember way back in the day when I didn't like Bentoit and kept making cracks about how he's a robot. Now because of the internet I've learned to appreciate the finer things in wrestling and he has become one of my favourites.
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Old 04-10-2005, 03:16 PM   #56
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Without the internet I sure as heck wouldn't appreciate wrestling as much as I do. Instead of enjoying nice technical matches I would probably be going "booooring".

I mean, I distinctly remember way back in the day when I didn't like Bentoit and kept making cracks about how he's a robot. Now because of the internet I've learned to appreciate the finer things in wrestling and he has become one of my favourites.
But you see, you shouldn't appreciate Benoit. If you don't like what Vince does, you're ruining the business. You should laugh at poopy jokes, get a hardon from necrophillia, and think HHH and the Undertaker are the most dominant forces evar...Or you're a bad fan.
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Old 04-10-2005, 03:17 PM   #57
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Without the internet I sure as heck wouldn't appreciate wrestling as much as I do. Instead of enjoying nice technical matches I would probably be going "booooring".

I mean, I distinctly remember way back in the day when I didn't like Bentoit and kept making cracks about how he's a robot. Now because of the internet I've learned to appreciate the finer things in wrestling and he has become one of my favourites.
Exactly the same here. A guy who isn't a fan with internet hates Benoit, Jericho, Angle, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. I thought there matches were boring until i actually paid attention.

And to think my favorite wrestler was goldberg back in 2003.
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Old 04-10-2005, 03:49 PM   #58
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Exactly the same here. A guy who isn't a fan with internet hates Benoit, Jericho, Angle, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. I thought there matches were boring until i actually paid attention.

And to think my favorite wrestler was goldberg back in 2003.
I didn't need the internet to like heel Jericho in WCW, or to dig Benoit (Though I made jokes about his personality too). I didn't need the net to like Eddie, Angle (Though I still booed him ), etc. I've always liked Michaels, though I think he should step aside soon.

I refuse to call myself a smart or a smark. I've always watched pro wrestling for the compbination of entertainment and physical prowess. Once Bret was champ, and then when WCW started relaly pushing the CW divisiion, I saw this amazing work and never wanted to go back.

In short, what really changed my opinions was the doing of the WWE and WCW. They gave us great athleticism, and they got me hooked on it. Now I want more.

Bottom line: It's your own fucking fault, guys. You gave me what I wanted, when I didn't even know I eanted it, then you took it away. Of course I'ma be disappointed in a half ass product.
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I didn't need the internet to like heel Jericho in WCW, or to dig Benoit (Though I made jokes about his personality too). I didn't need the net to like Eddie, Angle (Though I still booed him ), etc. I've always liked Michaels, though I think he should step aside soon.

I refuse to call myself a smart or a smark. I've always watched pro wrestling for the compbination of entertainment and physical prowess. Once Bret was champ, and then when WCW started relaly pushing the CW divisiion, I saw this amazing work and never wanted to go back.

In short, what really changed my opinions was the doing of the WWE and WCW. They gave us great athleticism, and they got me hooked on it. Now I want more.

Bottom line: It's your own fucking fault, guys. You gave me what I wanted, when I didn't even know I eanted it, then you took it away. Of course I'ma be disappointed in a half ass product.
Couldn't have said that any better! It's like people just expect the fans to accept the half assed shit they're putting out today. During the Attitude Era and Rock's first title reign, I was a smart fan. I knew what was going to go on, and holy shit months before Rajah posted the WM 15 card! Yet I still marked out and went nuts when it came to a taped Raw. It was because the product was INTERESTING and had EFFORT into it. The same goes for WCW (except they never planned shit out months before). It's out of this lack of delivering a good product that makes Vince frustrated and he attacks net fans for no reason. Someone should tell him, NEWSFLASH, there were probably more smart fans then, and your ratings/business was going up!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kane Knight again.
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